Black Flag Posted June 19, 2023 at 07:32 PM Share Posted June 19, 2023 at 07:32 PM https://chicago.suntimes.com/2023/6/19/23763400/assault-weapons-ban-illinois-second-amendment-mass-shootings-guns-jim-durkin-op-ed I support the 2nd amendment — and an assault weapons ban I am a suburban Republican, and I support one’s right to possess a firearm, as evidenced in my support of conceal and carry. But are we at a place in time where parents will begin suiting up their kids in kevlar before going to play in the park or on their front stoop? The horrific tragedies of mass shootings, like the one in Highland Park last summer, are not the result of a musket loaded with shot and powder, but in many cases, a legally accessible military-grade weapon, such as a Smith & Wesson MP (military and police) semi-automatic rifle (AR15) with a 30-round magazine. Enthusiasts have coined this weapon as “America’s Gun” and most recently, the “Barbie for guys.” I kid you not. Do we still believe our founding fathers envisioned an AR15 or the likes as the natural evolution of the “right to bear arms?” Opinions are strong and personal. I presume my comments will be ridiculed by the opponents. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bubbacs Posted June 19, 2023 at 08:18 PM Share Posted June 19, 2023 at 08:18 PM Shame they didn't envision the automobile huh? I mean they really didn't care if you got drunk at the bar as if you fell off your horse you might kill your self but not anyone else! All this stuff makes zero sense. There's always something that we didn't have years ago that we didn't envision becoming a standard today. Just we haven't figured out how to get rid of the politicians yet! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mab22 Posted June 19, 2023 at 08:22 PM Share Posted June 19, 2023 at 08:22 PM Family friendly middle finger to you Mr. Dunkin. Have a blessed bay! 😁 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sweeper13 Posted June 19, 2023 at 09:04 PM Share Posted June 19, 2023 at 09:04 PM ...Dirtbag...Go work for CNN and hold Chris Christie's hand. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2A4Cook Posted June 19, 2023 at 09:11 PM Share Posted June 19, 2023 at 09:11 PM "I support the 2nd Amendment." Uhm, no asshat, you do not. You don't even UNDERSTAND the 2nd Amendment. The 2nd Amendment was meant to provide every citizen the right to keep and bear the same arms that an infantryman did. At that time, that was a musket. Now, it is an assault rifle. A REAL "assault weapon," meaning a fully automatic long arm. We have long been limited to something quite less than what the infantryman carries, in that we have a WWII era SEMI-AUTOMATIC rifle. Outside of cosmetics, there is little difference between an M1 Garand and an AR 15, other than the fact that the 80+ year old M1 is a full powered round and much more lethal than what you wrongly refer to as an "assault weapon." The Founding Fathers didn't envision Scientology, either, so according to your logic, it's ok to ban it, right? They also didn't foresee radio or television, so all broadcast "news" and opinion programs can also be banned, right? We can go back to newspapers and town criers. Maybe that's your angle, as you seem to be pretty adept at crying. Lastly, nobody cares about your opinion. Go away. If you want attention, try going back to being Chief RINO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spanishjames Posted June 19, 2023 at 09:48 PM Share Posted June 19, 2023 at 09:48 PM On 6/19/2023 at 2:32 PM, Black Flag said: Durkin: Enthusiasts have coined this weapon as “America’s Gun” and most recently, the “Barbie for guys.” I kid you not. I've heard Ar15s are like Legos for men, never Barbies. What a buffoon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobPistol Posted June 19, 2023 at 09:54 PM Share Posted June 19, 2023 at 09:54 PM OF COURSE he won't talk about sociopath parents raising sociopath kids as evidenced by all the "valedictorians" shooting up the place, and all the mentally ill people doing this. Nope. They're not dangerous at all. But Joe Schmoe with his AR-15? eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeevil Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mauserme Posted June 19, 2023 at 10:16 PM Share Posted June 19, 2023 at 10:16 PM Saying Jim Durkin supported "conceal and carry" (sic) is a load of crap. HB148 Firearms - Concealed Carry in the 97th General Assembly was an almost perfect concealed carry bill from most points of view. We had the votes, until 3 Republican turncoats joined with Chicago Democrats. Representative Sidney Mathias, Representative Rosemary Mulligan, and Republican Minority Leader Durkin voted against it, and it was placed on postponed consideration never to be taken up again. Yes, he did vote for concealed carry a year later after the Seventh Circuit intervened, and he was told to vote yes by Speaker Madigan. Using the term "leader" with respect to Mr. Durkin is an oxymoron. He would take the floor of the House and whine about not being included in negotiations, waving his hands in the air, raising his voice in feigned indignation, pouting like a spoiled child. He was an udder on the bull that has become the Illinois Republican party. He led the party into nothing but self destruction. I'm moving this thread to Illinois Politics so others in the party can see what they must never become. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flynn Posted June 19, 2023 at 10:22 PM Share Posted June 19, 2023 at 10:22 PM (edited) More proof that a vast majority of Illinois Republicans are just a Democrats that lean a little to far right to succeed as a Democrat so they masquerade as a Republican... Someone correct me, but "as evidenced in my support of conceal and carry." I do not remember him supporting it until a court ordered him to, am I wrong? https://www.ilga.gov/legislation/BillStatus.asp?DocNum=148&GAID=11&DocTypeID=HB&SessionID=84&GA=97 https://illinoiscarry.com/forum/index.php?/profile/3575-candidate-for-82nd-dist/ *mauserme beat me to it as I typed up my replay Edited June 19, 2023 at 10:23 PM by Flynn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ragsbo Posted June 19, 2023 at 11:04 PM Share Posted June 19, 2023 at 11:04 PM Typical politician, lying out of BOTH sides of his mouth and doing very badly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2A4Cook Posted June 19, 2023 at 11:15 PM Share Posted June 19, 2023 at 11:15 PM Durkin and Kinzinger would make such a cute couple. A couple of "what," I'm not so sure about, but ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dumak_from_arfcom Posted June 19, 2023 at 11:35 PM Share Posted June 19, 2023 at 11:35 PM RINOs gonna RINO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yurimodin Posted June 19, 2023 at 11:43 PM Share Posted June 19, 2023 at 11:43 PM I will at least give Gavin Newsome credit for finally admitting that an Amendment is what they need to push for on their side. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobPistol Posted June 19, 2023 at 11:43 PM Share Posted June 19, 2023 at 11:43 PM On 6/19/2023 at 4:35 PM, Dumak_from_arfcom said: RINOs gonna RINO Sociopaths gonna sociopath. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Black Flag Posted June 19, 2023 at 11:54 PM Author Share Posted June 19, 2023 at 11:54 PM https://www.ar15.com/forums/hometown/Anti_gun_rep_Durkin_to_appear_at_town_hall_meeting_on_9_28_in_Lockport_at_7pm/23-464840/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikew Posted June 19, 2023 at 11:59 PM Share Posted June 19, 2023 at 11:59 PM On 6/19/2023 at 6:54 PM, Black Flag said: https://www.ar15.com/forums/hometown/Anti_gun_rep_Durkin_to_appear_at_town_hall_meeting_on_9_28_in_Lockport_at_7pm/23-464840/ If I recall correctly, he was arrogant and proud of his anti-carry stance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mauserme Posted June 20, 2023 at 12:30 AM Share Posted June 20, 2023 at 12:30 AM On 6/19/2023 at 6:59 PM, mikew said: If I recall correctly, he was arrogant and proud of his anti-carry stance. I'd call it an anti-gun stance in the broadest sense. And yes, he is quite full of himself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ragsbo Posted June 20, 2023 at 01:30 AM Share Posted June 20, 2023 at 01:30 AM On 6/19/2023 at 7:30 PM, mauserme said: I'd call it an anti-gun stance in the broadest sense. And yes, he is quite full of himself. He is full of SOMETHING for sure! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smallbore Posted June 20, 2023 at 02:12 AM Share Posted June 20, 2023 at 02:12 AM On 6/19/2023 at 8:30 PM, ragsbo said: He is full of SOMETHING for sure! Freedom of choice has always produced a safer environment than aristocratic self righteous tyrants. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carry205 Posted June 20, 2023 at 02:35 PM Share Posted June 20, 2023 at 02:35 PM On 6/19/2023 at 2:32 PM, Black Flag said: https://chicago.suntimes.com/2023/6/19/23763400/assault-weapons-ban-illinois-second-amendment-mass-shootings-guns-jim-durkin-op-ed I support the 2nd amendment — and an assault weapons ban I am a suburban Republican, and I support one’s right to possess a firearm, as evidenced in my support of conceal and carry. But are we at a place in time where parents will begin suiting up their kids in kevlar before going to play in the park or on their front stoop? The horrific tragedies of mass shootings, like the one in Highland Park last summer, are not the result of a musket loaded with shot and powder, but in many cases, a legally accessible military-grade weapon, such as a Smith & Wesson MP (military and police) semi-automatic rifle (AR15) with a 30-round magazine. Enthusiasts have coined this weapon as “America’s Gun” and most recently, the “Barbie for guys.” I kid you not. Do we still believe our founding fathers envisioned an AR15 or the likes as the natural evolution of the “right to bear arms?” Opinions are strong and personal. I presume my comments will be ridiculed by the opponents. Hey Durkin: Here’s a piece of advice: Just go ahead and convert to a full fledged Democrat, and stop sullying the Republican name, because the democrats already own you. JUST GO AWAY. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrTriple Posted June 20, 2023 at 07:11 PM Share Posted June 20, 2023 at 07:11 PM The question of so-called "assault weapon bans" is essentially a debate between an out-of-touch demographic (gun control advocates 50+) refusing to listen to a younger demographic (voters 18-34) that doesn't support the concept anymore, and are sick of hearing about it. I know the gun control movement isn't really bothering to convince people anymore (they're just acting without regard for public opinion) but I find that age dynamic quite interesting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrTriple Posted June 20, 2023 at 07:18 PM Share Posted June 20, 2023 at 07:18 PM (edited) On 6/20/2023 at 2:11 PM, MrTriple said: The question of so-called "assault weapon bans" is essentially a debate between an out-of-touch demographic (gun control advocates 50+) refusing to listen to a younger demographic (voters 18-34) that doesn't support the concept anymore, and are sick of hearing about it. I know the gun control movement isn't really bothering to convince people anymore (they're just acting without regard for public opinion) but I find that age dynamic quite interesting. I mean, who are the biggest influencers in the world of guns right now? How old are they? 40 tops, median of probably 35. Perhaps even 30. What's the average age of your typical gun control advocate? 55? 60? Older? Who's driving the cultural bus right now, especially on guns? Young supporters of gun rights, or older supporters of gun control? Who's winning hearts and minds? Or more importantly, who's actually capable of winning hearts and minds? Edited June 20, 2023 at 07:19 PM by MrTriple Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quiet Observer Posted June 20, 2023 at 08:22 PM Share Posted June 20, 2023 at 08:22 PM On 6/19/2023 at 4:48 PM, spanishjames said: I've heard Ar15s are like Legos for men, never Barbies. What a buffoon. I think that this is an attempt to disparage the virility of men who like guns. It is a variation of the left's claim that men who have small genitals use guns, in their minds, to make up for lack of size. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatchet Posted June 20, 2023 at 09:05 PM Share Posted June 20, 2023 at 09:05 PM (edited) On 6/20/2023 at 3:22 PM, Quiet Observer said: I think that this is an attempt to disparage the virility of men who like guns. It is a variation of the left's claim that men who have small genitals use guns, in their minds, to make up for lack of size. Nah that goes way farther back than the left attacking our man hoods. the AR15 has a ton of accessories that you can buy for the base firearm, barbie has a ton of accessories that you can buy for the base doll. I got a meme of it I saved 20 or so years ago. If I can find it I'll post it. Edited June 20, 2023 at 09:07 PM by Hatchet Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2A4Cook Posted June 20, 2023 at 09:26 PM Share Posted June 20, 2023 at 09:26 PM (edited) On 6/20/2023 at 4:05 PM, Hatchet said: Nah that goes way farther back than the left attacking our man hoods. the AR15 has a ton of accessories that you can buy for the base firearm, barbie has a ton of accessories that you can buy for the base doll. I got a meme of it I saved 20 or so years ago. If I can find it I'll post it. That's misogynistic and trans-phobic! Cancel them!! Oh wait ... Edited June 20, 2023 at 09:26 PM by 2A4Cook Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spanishjames Posted June 20, 2023 at 10:39 PM Share Posted June 20, 2023 at 10:39 PM On 6/20/2023 at 4:05 PM, Hatchet said: Nah that goes way farther back than the left attacking our man hoods. the AR15 has a ton of accessories that you can buy for the base firearm, barbie has a ton of accessories that you can buy for the base doll. I got a meme of it I saved 20 or so years ago. If I can find it I'll post it. The rifle is G.I. Joe's accessory. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Howard Roark Posted June 21, 2023 at 03:05 AM Share Posted June 21, 2023 at 03:05 AM I'm glad this thread is public where I can also pile onto Jim Durkin. I've met him several times regarding our concerns regarding our 2A rights. He is an arrogant two-faced lier and no friend of ours. He is quite unpleasant on a personal level and was bad for the Republican party and Illinois. I would bet that he voted for Pritzker, Biden, Hillary, and Obama. Good riddance to him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bird76Mojo Posted June 21, 2023 at 04:19 AM Share Posted June 21, 2023 at 04:19 AM On 6/19/2023 at 3:18 PM, Bubbacs said: Just we haven't figured out how to get rid of the politicians yet! A.I. will do that in time.. Whether they allow it or not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlphaKoncepts aka CGS Posted June 23, 2023 at 07:00 PM Share Posted June 23, 2023 at 07:00 PM Durkin was an absolute disaster as minority leader. But it is easy to see why he was the leader. He played well with the opposing party and was essentially their puppet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mab22 Posted June 24, 2023 at 05:50 PM Share Posted June 24, 2023 at 05:50 PM Remember no Deamonrat is a Republican, but some Republicans are actually Deamonrats. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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