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Those were exactly my thought.

PICA is an extremely expansive law that passed on Jan. 10th, 2023, as most of us know. Written in a convoluted bunch of legal jargon that most of us can't interpret in layman's terms. You ever hear the line, ask 50 lawyers a question, get 50 different answers. Or, have you or someone you know ever said, "how the F' did he/she get that job." There is no IQ Test for being an FFL, many home-based FFLs are retired po-leec, CNC Operators who do FFL Transfers for their coworkers and like 1911s, hunters who hook up their hunting buddies with FFL Transfers and occasional sales, etc. Many are gun owners, not 2A Advocates. When something like this happens, they don't know what's legal, or what's not. A common tactic to take, is to go by the policies of another gun shop who you respect their business practices and knowledge expertise. Another tactic, if you have the 💸, is to hire a lawyer. Remember the 50 lawyers, 50 different answers above. Last tactic, wing it. These same home-based FFLs are also the guys that charge $10-$20 FFL Transfer Fees. Now, many of you guys hate them cause they refuse to Transfer almost anything. Why, cause the guy is a hunter and only concentrated on the hunting laws for his hunting buddies. The po-leec don't care, most of his customers are exempt anyway, and the CNC Operator was just trying to make a few bucks on the side and be a cool coworker. He never considered treating his FFL as a business.

It serves one purpose, CONTROL over the peasants.

What practical purpose does a foid serve? There is no scenario where a foid can be accepted to purchase anything anymore. Even ammo requires a live check through the portal.

.02% or 200%, where is the equality in their laws?

So, I can do what many FFL Dealers do, like Palmetto, GAG, etc., list all the locations that I won't ship to. Or, let you know up front, if you purchase this and know it's illegal in NY, NJ, MD, CA, etc, it's going to cost you. I do conversate with other IL FFL Dealers, you know how many IL Buyers buy prohibited firearms and say, "I didn't know." I assume some of the, "I didn't know," is legit, but some is also BS and the IL Buyer wants to see if they can get away with it. Also, the selling FFL did ship it. Same concept with out of state purchases. I do go the extra mile and call the receiving FFL to see if the firearm purchased is legal to own in that jurisdiction. As my 1st business experience, my 2nd FFL Transfer ever was denied. He wanted his money back from the selling FFL Dealer, the guy told him it was a consignment firearm and the owner was paid, not his problem the buyer couldn't pass a background check. The guy then wanted to "sell" the rifle to his dad. I refused. He didn't want to sell it to me or put it on consignment. Should I be an @-hole and hit him with storage fees like a lot of FFL Dealers. It was a huge cluster f#ck. I am in a forum of out of state FFL Dealers, getting a Denial on a background check is more common than you think. So, alot of FFL Dealers charge storage, either daily, weekly, or monthly. Guys, I still have an Anderson lower from 4yrs ago in my FFL Transfer inventory. Long story. So yes, just like soundguy said, liability. In short, if you buy an illegal firearm from me, and it costs me money, credit card fees, denial fees, or you just don't want it, I want to recoup my costs. In 5yrs, I have never charged a customer a 25% cancelation or restocking fee, even on a wrongfully purchased item. I have always worked with the customer to swap it out for the right item or something else they might need to avoid the fees.

Fear of liability. Cheers, Tim

While I agree that the FOID is unconstitutional, the difference between the FOID and a Hawaii carry permit is that Illinois actually issues FOID cards and Hawaii did not issue carry permits: The "empty formalities" they are referring to is the fact that at the time he was charged, it was effectively impossible to obtain a permit to carry in Hawaii.

It would benefit you to slow down and spend some time reading. You seem to go out of your way to avoid using the search function on your site.

No. Trying to understand the inconsistencies between dealers I’ve used for years.

Thanks Tim, that could also include the entirety of our state.

There are still places in Illinois, and other states, that believe they can restrict certain items... Highland Park, Aurora, unincorporated Cook County, etc. Making this clear up front looks like a good business practice, to me. Cheers, Tim

YOU seem to be trying to slip up local FFL’s. Explain please. edited to add: while you’re at it please explain what “ …shall not be infringed.” means.

I appreciate your input. Interesting caveat with your listing. “It is your responsibility to know the laws where you live and that you are legally able to own this firearm and can pass a NICS background check. I charge a 25% restocking fee and all fees associated with this purchase (including credit card refund fees) if the buyer is prohibited from owning this firearm in the jurisdiction in which they live. All cancelled orders will be charged a 25% restocking fee as well.” If an FFL is selling a firearm one would thinks he’s purchasing something legal, that’s why we go to gun dealers, they’re suppose to be the ones in the know. You seem to be hedging your bet. Explain please.

Yes. My opinion, is the Mini-14 Ranch Rifle is legal. I actually do have it on my website. https://ealcala6110.wixsite.com/erniesarmsacc/online-store/Ruger-Mini-14-Ranch-Rifle-223Rem-BLK-Synthetic-5rd-Distributor-Exclusive-Oak-Lawn-IL-p709157340

It looks to me that Justice Thomas just told us that the FOID is an unconstitutional empty formality.

In denying cert, Thomas and Alito (pg 16 of the attached PDF) and Gorsuch (pg 23 of the attached PDF) have written extensively on the denial of cert at this time as well as the poor ruling by the Hawaii Supreme Court. I have attached below SCOTUS's Orders of the Court for 12/09/2024 120924zor_32q3.pdf

The nation will wait for Barnett.

I can see it now: The text rebellion...

Petition denied. Wilson's prosecution is still proceeding at the trial level. This case will probably return to the Supreme Court in a year or two.

What would the effect be if SCOTUS doesn't grant cert to Snope v Brown?

Will you sell the Mini 14 on your website, to an Illinois resident, confident it is legal to do so?

Really? Then I'm glad I don't use it !!

Whatever firearm you're thinking of purchasing, if you're going local, call him, he'll tell you whether he'll sell it to you or not. If you're having it shipped in, ask your FFL Transfer Dealer if he'll accept it and transfer it to you after all the requirements are meant. This might mean you might have to call 10 different FFLs. Just saying...

Far to much overthinking... -check the law with those who define the parameters (ISP) -find a dealer who will sell it to you -if there are problems later, contact a lawyer The attorney didn't say ask a cop. He said check with ISP. Even the very best attorney cannot give you anything better than a guess. Check with ISP and an FFL. Or just go to an FFL who has already figured out it is legal. Cheers, Tim