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  1. They do post on their website. Here is a partial list. "This list subject to change at any time and without notice. Venue Management reserves the right to deny any item it deems to be a safety hazard or distraction for guests. Guns and Other Weapons (with or without a permit) Knives Pepper Spray/Mace Oversized Bags Outside Food and Beverage Cans Bottles Alcohol and Drugs (except those prescribed to the individual)" Safety & Security | Opry
  2. I agree that it would be nice if venues would post online that they do not allow guns on the premises. That would help prevent the minor hassle you had. We might choose to even patronize it. But do not think it should be a law. The government should not have the authority to require them to have a web account. A small mom and pop business, church, or charity may have a great need for the money elsewhere. If I may gently call you out. Why did you not name the venue to forewarn others here?
  3. Historically, the list is far greater. "What are characteristics of people who sexually abuse children? Males, females, and others across the gender spectrum may sexually abuse children. They can include fathers, mothers, step-parents, grandparents, uncles, aunts, siblings, and cousins. They can be neighbors, babysitters, religious leaders, teachers, and coaches. They come from all different social classes, races, religions, and sexual orientations. From what we know, most of those who sexually abuse children are males, but many are females, too. We also know a little bit about what causes child sexual abuse. Some people who sexually abuse children have adult sexual relationships and are not only sexually attracted to children." Is it possible to profile a "child sex predator"? | Stop It Now What does your remark have to do with carrying in a church of any denomination, or at grandma's, the park, or Uncle Frank's?
  4. You might consider checking their websites or talking with a trusted member of the church to see if any have a no-guns policy. Some churches do; others do not. Denomination is not necessarily a factor. My parish had no such policy over there. One of the priests even knew I carried at Mass. I might have ignored a few no-guns signs when visiting other parishes. Follow your own conscience. Concealed means concealed.
  5. I carried in church when I lived in Illinois, and I carry in church in Indiana now. I am not part of any security team.
  6. Thanks for the information. We left Illinois because of taxes, politics, and anti-2A environment. We still have family there and doctors there. I CC in the car when we go there. I stay on this forum to keep track of possible changes there, obviously, to throw in my 2 cents at times.
  7. You keep asking what information is submitted to get approval or pending. The information would come from your 4473, and maybe the Illinois form. I guess that other than change of address and weight, the rest of the identifying data would be constant. There is nothing that you can change to get approval faster. Above the signature box on the 4473 is a warning that states that willfully providing false information is a federal crime. I assume Illinois has a similar warning. A few of the reasons for pending were given by ealcala31. I lived in Illinois for over 20 years. My last gun purchase was there years ago. I was in the first batch to receive a FCCL. I have been on this forum for 10 years. "I certify that my answers in Section B are true, correct, and complete. I have read and understand the Notices, Instructions, and Definitions on ATF Form 4473. I understand that answering “yes” to question 21.a. if I am not the actual transferee/buyer is a crime punishable as a felony under Federal law, and may also violate State and/or local law. I understand that a person who answers “yes” to any of the questions 21.b. through 21.l. as well as 21.n. is prohibited from receiving, possessing, or purchasing a firearm. I understand that a person who answers “yes” to question 21.m.1. is prohibited from receiving or possessing a firearm, unless the person answers “yes” to question 21.m.2. and provides the documentation required in 26.d. I also understand that making any false oral or written statement, or exhibiting any false or misrepresented identification with respect to this transaction, is a crime punishable as a felony under Federal law, and may also violate State and/or local law. I further understand that the repetitive purchase of firearms for the purpose of resale to predominantly earn a profit without a Federal firearms license is a violation of Federal law."
  8. Woody Allen called it. "I'd call him a sadistic, hippophilic necrophile, but that would be beating a dead horse."
  9. It has already been done is Cook County and several places around the country. How do state and local soda taxes work? | Tax Policy Center
  10. "Can I renew with a 3-hour refresher training certificate even after my CCL has expired? In most circumstances, yes. However, if you renew your CCL after its expiration date, your card will be invalid while your application is being processed." https://www.ispfsb.com/Public/Faq.aspx I know that this is not exactly a renewal, but I think that the same logic would apply. At worst you might be required to do 8 hours. Your previous Illinois training should apply. Here is additional information from the FAQ site. Who can receive credit for up to eight hours of prior training (from either previous courses or experience)? The statute provides that active, retired, and honorably discharged members of the United States Armed Forces shall be considered to have completed 8 hours of the 16-hour training requirement. Those applying for a CCL who have completed a training course that is approved by the ISP and recognized under the laws of another state may receive up to 8 hours of training toward the 16-hour training requirement. Who decides whether to give credit for prior training and how much to give? The ISP and certified firearms instructors shall recognize up to 8 hours of training already completed toward the 16 hour training requirement. Pursuant to the discretion granted within the statute regarding the proficiency of trainees, instructors must verify the prior training and can, within their discretion, determine the need for further training on a case by case basis. The Department maintains a list of approved curricula here to guide individual instructors with this decision. Two different four-hour classes from the list of approved curricula may be combined for up to eight hours of prior training credit. If a person receives prior training credit, what are they required to take in addition to fulfill the 16 hour training requirement under the Act? Any remaining hours that the applicant completes must at least cover applicable State and Federal Laws Relating to the Ownership, Storage, Carry and Transportation of a Firearm Instruction as well as Weapons Handling as defined in the statute and administrative rules. The Instructor shall verify the aggregate number of hours for which the applicant provided proof of instruction in Firearms Safety, Basic Principles of Marksmanship, and Care, Cleaning, Loading and Unloading of a Concealable Firearm, based upon a list provided by the Department of accepted training courses, and provide the necessary additional hours of training to equal 16. Applicants must meet the minimums set out in the 16-hour curriculum. The instructor will need to assess and verify the areas on which the applicant was previously trained and modify the blocks of instruction in sections 1, 2, and 3 to cover the remaining requirements. Sections 4 and 5 should remain unaltered.
  11. From the ISP FAQs. 05. CCL Renewal Applications How do I renew my CCL? Can I renew with a 3-hour refresher training certificate even after my CCL has expired? In most circumstances, yes. However, if you renew your CCL after its expiration date, your card will be invalid while your application is being processed. IL Firearm Applicant Portal
  12. Indiana does not tax military retirement nor social security either. It has constitutional carry and offers a CC permit also. We left Illinois over 3 years ago. We are close enough to visit family there. I am not criticizing your reasons to stay there. Moving is a major family decision. EDIT: changed "take" to "tax" in first sentence.
  13. Why not take the purse into the bathroom with her and lock the door? Even if she forgot the lock, she certainly would have known if someone came in while she was showering.
  14. I am hesitant to donate to a stranger who has been a member for 5 years but has only 5 posts. I would rather contribute to an 2A organization that has a history.
  15. Note: I am using conditional phrases in much of this post. It sounds as if his Wisconsin DL may have been fraudulently obtained, if he denied the Illinois suspension. I think all states ask if your DL has been suspended in another state. "WARNING Any applicant for a driver license who presents fraudulent or altered documents or makes a false statement to the issuing officer or agency, may be subject to a fine of not more than $1,000, imprisonment for not more than six months or both. The driver license privilege may also be revoked for one year. (s. 343.14(5) Wis. Stats.)" Home Page - WIDOT Driver License Guide If the DL was fraudulently obtained, it is not valid. It would not be accepted for CCW application. "License requirements include: Applicant is at least 21 years of age. Applicant is not prohibited from possessing a firearm under federal or state law. Applicant is not prohibited by a court order from possessing a firearm. Applicant is a Wisconsin resident as indicated by a current and valid Wisconsin driver's license or identification card or is active military stationed in Wisconsin. Applicant can provide adequate proof of training as required by law." Welcome to Concealed Carry Weapon Application The release of information in the OP does not detail how Illinois obtained the information about the driver.
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