Quiet Observer

I wonder if he had a FOID too.

Maybe some thought it was an April Fool's joke. People do not always pay attention to dates. It will have very little, if any, effect most of us on here. Even with my retired military ID, I still cannot carry on a base.

What would improve if legislators wrote their bills? Are they all experts in the various areas. business, medicine, commerce, property rights, education, etc. etc.? Can they write a law that will be understood by most people and hold up to court challenges? Are you going to reject ideas and tactics just because they originated in another state?

What difference does it make who a bill is drafted by or if it is similar to one from another state? It is good or bad based on the contents. This one is bad.

Why did he apply for a FOID? I see that an Arizona resident permit is $60 and FOID is $10. I do not know if firearm and ammunition prices are different in Illinois vs. Arizona. A background check for a firearm purchase in Illinois, or FCCL application, might result in discovery of 2 driver's licenses. (430 ILCS 65/2) (from Ch. 38, par. 83-2) Sec. 2. Firearm Owner's Identification Card required; exceptions. (a) (1) No person may acquire or possess any firearm, stun gun, or taser within this State without having in his or her possession a Firearm Owner's Identification Card previously issued in his or her name by the Illinois State Police under the provisions of this Act. (2) No person may acquire or possess firearm ammunition within this State without having in his or her possession a Firearm Owner's Identification Card previously issued in his or her name by the Illinois State Police under the provisions of this Act. (b) The provisions of this Section regarding the possession of firearms, firearm ammunition, stun guns, and tasers do not apply to: (9) Nonresidents whose firearms are unloaded and enclosed in a case; (10) Nonresidents who are currently licensed or registered to possess a firearm in their resident state; Illinois General Assembly - -

Getting a DUI does not automatically revoke a CCL. Multiple ones might. I do not know if Illinois checks the records for a CCL if someone is arrested for DUI or if a CCL has been revoked on this basis. If someone is concerned about getting multiple DUIs, maybe they should evaluate their drinking habits. (430 ILCS 66/25) Sec. 25. Qualifications for a license. The Illinois State Police shall issue a license to an applicant completing an application in accordance with Section 30 of this Act if the person: (1) is at least 21 years of age; (2) has a currently valid Firearm Owner's Identification Card and at the time of application meets the requirements for the issuance of a Firearm Owner's Identification Card and is not prohibited under the Firearm Owners Identification Card Act or federal law from possessing or receiving a firearm; (3) has not been convicted or found guilty in this State or in any other state of: (A) a misdemeanor involving the use or threat of physical force or violence to any person within the 5 years preceding the date of the license application; or (B) 2 or more violations related to driving while under the influence of alcohol, other drug or drugs, intoxicating compound or compounds, or any combination thereof, within the 5 years preceding the date of the license application; "Sec. 70. Violations. (a) A license issued or renewed under this Act shall be revoked if, at any time, the licensee is found to be ineligible for a license under this Act or the licensee no longer meets the eligibility requirements of the Firearm Owners Identification Card Act."

I do not intend to blame the victim, but this could be a wakeup call for others. I do not know when she first applied. It seems that she could have be eligible when she was 21, 5 years after the psych. evaluation. She potentially could have been CCing at this point. Her actual history is confidential. I am only talking theoretically. My point is how many are putting off getting a FOID and/or a CCL? Others have posted on other threads that it is too much trouble, or not worth it. Maybe they should reconsider. May she rest in peace.

The attacker might be an outsider. Even if it is a member, how many carry in the church? A single attacker might get 1 or 2 of the armed members. But it seems that if there are more, they may stop the attacker.

This is the reason for the law. Before only a charge of child endangerment, or similar charge, could be made. I think that this has more teeth. I am not thrilled with gun laws, but this is not as stupid as some of the others.

I did not hear of people randomly being stopped and searched for concealed firearms when the concealed carry act was passed. From the start of the FOID, no one has been randomly raiding homes to see if there are firearms without the owners having a FOID. I enhanced certain sections below. (430 ILCS 64/1) Sec. 1. Short title. This Act may be cited as the Safe Gun Storage Act. (Source: P.A. 104-31, eff. 1-1-26.) (430 ILCS 64/5) Sec. 5. Storage of firearms. A firearm owner shall not store or keep any firearm in any premises where the firearm owner knows or reasonably should know a minor without the lawful permission of the minor's parent, guardian, or person having charge of the minor, an at-risk person, or a prohibited person is likely to gain access to the firearm unless the firearm is secured in a locked container, properly engaged so as to render the firearm inaccessible or unusable to any person other than the owner or other lawfully authorized user. If the firearm is carried by or under the control of the owner or other lawfully authorized user, then the firearm is deemed lawfully stored or kept. This Section does not apply (i) if the minor, an at-risk person, or a prohibited person gains access to a firearm and uses it in a lawful act of self-defense or defense of another or (ii) to any firearm obtained by a minor, an at-risk person, or a prohibited person because of an unlawful entry of the premises by the minor, at-risk person, prohibited person or another person. (Source: P.A. 104-31, eff. 1-1-26.) Illinois General Assembly - HEALTH AND SAFETY - PUBLIC SAFETY

I wonder if this will result in more arrests of pot users driving through Indiana between Michigan and Illinois.

I agree with the need for training for driving and gun handling, but driving a car is not protected by the constitution. I learned basic gun safety from my father. We had a basic gun in a class in Navy boot camp in 1966. Before I took the FCCL class in December 2013, I downloaded a copy of the law and studied it before class. The instructor just read an outline. I did the abbreviated course. The constitution says nothing about accuracy with a gun, but the state requires it. Apparently, we do not have the right to defend ourselves unless we achieved a certain score against a paper sheet. Why renewal? Has anyone forgotten firearm safety. Various websites and gun publications note changes in gun laws. Indiana has constitutional carry and does issue lifetime permit.

I think the decision to own or carry a gun is a personal one. Some, because of poor anger control, severe mental health problems, addictions, etc. probably should not carry. If you do not accept that you might justifiably have to kill someone, you probably should not carry. I am speaking generally; there can be exceptions. I did not like the fees and that there is a requirement to have a permit to carry. Fortunately, I had the money. I was not going to cut off my nose to spike my face because I did not like the law. Some, certainly not everyone, complaining about cost could hold off frivolous cost to pay for training and license. It is a personal choice. I do not see myself talking anyone into carrying or not carrying.

The reason for the revocation of your FOID could be a factor in some state. Before going to a state, I would check it laws on Handgunlaw. Handgunlaw.us

Thanks.