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https://newschannel20.com/news/local/lawmaker-asking-residents-to-submit-ideas-for-new-laws#

 

DECATUR, Ill. (WICS) — A local lawmaker is asking for your help to create new laws.

 
Representative Sue Scherer (D-Decatur) wants to know what new laws you want to be enacted.
 
 

Ideas for new legislation will be accepted up until Jan. 3, 2022, which is the last day before the General Assembly reconvenes.

Scherer and her staff will review the ideas, with the potential for the most promising ideas to be drafted and introduced as a bill.

 
Ideas for new legislation can be submitted by either calling Scherer’s office at 217-877-9636 or by sending an email to staterepsue@gmail.com.
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All licensing/training requirements enacted governing the Second Amendment must apply equally to all other Amendments.

 

Need training/license to carry under Second

You also need training/license to speak under First, and

Need training/license to vote under 15,19,24,26…

 

All Amendments must be treated equally.

 

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On 12/14/2022 at 6:52 PM, Tip said:

All licensing/training requirements enacted governing the Second Amendment must apply equally to all other Amendments.

 

Need training/license to carry under Second

You also need training/license to speak under First, and

Need training/license to vote under 15,19,24,26…

 

All Amendments must be treated equally.

 

 

Well, some folks tell us that words are violence.

Also, President Biden says that no Amendment is absolute.  So we need to know how that pertains to the 13th.

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No unconstitutional bills can be written or sponsored by an elected official who is blinded by his/her emotions. Mus submit evidence of completing 16 weeks of mental health counseling AND evidence of completing a comprehensive civics course that also examines best constitutionally valid practices in other states.

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On 12/14/2022 at 9:35 PM, RECarry said:

No unconstitutional bills can be written or sponsored by an elected official who is blinded by his/her emotions. Mus submit evidence of completing 16 weeks of mental health counseling AND evidence of completing a comprehensive civics course that also examines best constitutionally valid practices in other states.

Nice!  Building on that, all politicians must be registered with a TIC(K) card… a Tax Imposer Card.  To be certified as a TIC(K) (or other parasite of your choice), they must pass a 2 day (or more) training class every 5 years (or term) covering the federal and state constitutions, civics and government structure, basic finance and budgeting, true crime statistics and root cause, a basic understanding of how to find the tens of thousands of laws already in existence, etc.  they will be tested.

 

 Instructors must submit an approved training program that will be audited.  The politicians must test by themselves with an instructor certifying the test results and photographing it, with threat of legal penalty for cheating. They must be able to state the oath of office verbally.  The politicians must submit finger prints and are subjected to a federal background check that will be public, with any prior crimes making them ineligible to be politicians and carry out taxation.  Any politician using a federally controlled substance will be ineligible.  Politicians must pay for the card and training out of their own pockets before they can run for office or even handle political donations and must pay for their own recertifications.

The TIC(K) card will only make the politician eligible to impose taxation legislation in specific areas of opportunity…. no taxing establishments that make a high percentage of income from alcohol, no schools or churches, no business posted with a “no tax” sign at the entry, etc.

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The Gun-Free-Zone Liability Act 

Any person, organization or entity, or any agency of government that creates a gun-free zone shall be liable for damages resulting from criminal conduct that occurs against an individual in such gun-free zone, if a reasonable person would believe that possession of a firearm could have helped the individual defend against such conduct. In the event the conduct is a result of a terrorist attack as federally defined, or adversely affects a disabled person, a person who is a member of a minority as federally defined, a senior citizen or a child under 16 years of age, treble damages shall apply.

For the purposes of this section, the term "gun-free zone" shall mean any building, place, area or curtilage that is open to the public, or in or upon any public conveyance, where a person's right or ability to keep arms or to bear arms is infringed, restricted or diminished in any way by statute, policy, rule, regulation, ordinance, utterance or posted signs.

 

Submitted. 

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On 12/14/2022 at 9:35 PM, RECarry said:

No unconstitutional bills can be written or sponsored by an elected official who is blinded by his/her emotions. Mus submit evidence of completing 16 weeks of mental health counseling AND evidence of completing a comprehensive civics course that also examines best constitutionally valid practices in other states.

Who would determine that a bill, if passed, would violate both the U.S. and Illinois Constitutions? If it were so simple, there would not be so many split decisions, appeals, and reverses as cases moved through the state and federal courts. There are over 10,000 bills introduced annually in the General Assembly. This would bog down the business of the legislature, including the passage of constitutional laws. That is a lot of power for a person or group that would probably be appointed and change with the political climate. 

https://ilga.gov/legislation/  

 

Article IV of the Illinois Constitution lists only citizenship, age, and residency requirements. It has no elitist requirements for special education and courses. It makes no mention of the emotional status of legislators. You would not have allowed the votes of those assembly members that either enthusiastically or regretfully voted for the FCCL? I am not defending or condemning all parts of that law here.  

 

You are recommending a law that would violate, at least, the Illinois Constitution. 

 

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On 12/15/2022 at 8:29 AM, SiliconSorcerer said:

The Gun-Free-Zone Liability Act 

Any person, organization or entity, or any agency of government that creates a gun-free zone shall be liable for damages resulting from criminal conduct that occurs against an individual in such gun-free zone, if a reasonable person would believe that possession of a firearm could have helped the individual defend against such conduct. In the event the conduct is a result of a terrorist attack as federally defined, or adversely affects a disabled person, a person who is a member of a minority as federally defined, a senior citizen or a child under 16 years of age, treble damages shall apply.

For the purposes of this section, the term "gun-free zone" shall mean any building, place, area or curtilage that is open to the public, or in or upon any public conveyance, where a person's right or ability to keep arms or to bear arms is infringed, restricted or diminished in any way by statute, policy, rule, regulation, ordinance, utterance or posted signs.

 

Submitted. 

People on the other side have suggested laws that would make a person liable for not making a gun free zone and another person is shot on that property. 

How about we make the actual person committing the criminal act responsible, and not placing a burden on a person that really has no control over the action of others.

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On 12/16/2022 at 11:39 AM, Quiet Observer said:

People on the other side have suggested laws that would make a person liable for not making a gun free zone and another person is shot on that property. 

How about we make the actual person committing the criminal act responsible, and not placing a burden on a person that really has no control over the action of others.

 

When you take control over others by removing their right to defend themselves you become responsible for their safety. 

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On 12/16/2022 at 11:30 AM, Quiet Observer said:

Who would determine that a bill, if passed, would violate both the U.S. and Illinois Constitutions? If it were so simple, there would not be so many split decisions, appeals, and reverses as cases moved through the state and federal courts. There are over 10,000 bills introduced annually in the General Assembly. This would bog down the business of the legislature, including the passage of constitutional laws. That is a lot of power for a person or group that would probably be appointed and change with the political climate. 

https://ilga.gov/legislation/  

 

Article IV of the Illinois Constitution lists only citizenship, age, and residency requirements. It has no elitist requirements for special education and courses. It makes no mention of the emotional status of legislators. You would not have allowed the votes of those assembly members that either enthusiastically or regretfully voted for the FCCL? I am not defending or condemning all parts of that law here.  

 

You are recommending a law that would violate, at least, the Illinois Constitution. 

 

 

IANAL. But, I am complaining about knee-jerk "do-something" bills like Bob Morgan's HB-5855. Community emotions created the Gun Free Zone mentality that made Highland Park attractive to criminals and a deranged troubled youth. So after a tragedy, the same community insists Bob Morgan "do more" because he was there, making the bill all about him and his emotional constituents, making all constituents even less safe than before. 

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On 12/16/2022 at 12:26 PM, RECarry said:

 

IANAL. But, I am complaining about knee-jerk "do-something" bills like Bob Morgan's HB-5855. Community emotions created the Gun Free Zone mentality that made Highland Park attractive to criminals and a deranged troubled youth. So after a tragedy, the same community insists Bob Morgan "do more" because he was there, making the bill all about him and his emotional constituents, making all constituents even less safe than before. 

Frustration with a proposed bill is not a just reason to scrap a constitution. There are emotional components supporting all sorts of legislation, "these people are suffering", "it's not fair", "how can they get away with that", "if she had a gun, she could have defended herself and not be suffering now", "if he did not have a gun, no one would have been shot and my husband will still be alive" etc. 

 

The bill is pretty much the same demands that the left has wanted for years. To be clear, I do not support it.

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On 12/16/2022 at 12:18 PM, davel501 said:

 

When you take control over others by removing their right to defend themselves you become responsible for their safety. 

The other side would argue. "Business owner, who failed to post no-gun sign, should be sued by survivor who spouse is killed in crossfire, when vigilante pulls out gun and shooting starts. Robber would have left with the money, and no one would have been injured". 

 

I disagree with both arguments. 

 

 

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