steveTA84 Posted April 9, 2022 at 02:39 PM Share Posted April 9, 2022 at 02:39 PM On 4/9/2022 at 9:35 AM, mauserme said: In the spirit of giving credit where it's due, ISRA was working House and Senate members against this bill. Fair enough, and I did see their people filling out witness slips. Not like anything was going to stop it. Democrats are tyrants and just want to make more normal people into criminals Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mauserme Posted April 9, 2022 at 03:32 PM Author Share Posted April 9, 2022 at 03:32 PM To clarify my statement, though, a single bill does not alleviate my personal lack of trust for their lobbying team. That mistrust was earned over more than a decade of questionable, sometimes full fledged antigun activity, going back to pre-lobbyist days in one individual's case. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steveTA84 Posted April 9, 2022 at 06:35 PM Share Posted April 9, 2022 at 06:35 PM FPC already gearing up to sue https://twitter.com/gunpolicy/status/1512852091072438272?s=21&t=Jyo-uqR8ftwFTcBoY_5fSQ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Euler Posted April 9, 2022 at 08:59 PM Share Posted April 9, 2022 at 08:59 PM On 4/9/2022 at 11:32 AM, mauserme said: To clarify my statement, though, a single bill does not alleviate my personal lack of trust for their lobbying team. That mistrust was earned over more than a decade of questionable, sometimes full fledged antigun activity, going back to pre-lobbyist days in one individual's case. Based on the emails I got from them, the 3 bills essential to 2A rights in Spring session were: "ghost" guns - need to defeat deer hunting with rifles - need to pass veterans getting easier access to hunting licenses - need to pass Oh, well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mab22 Posted April 9, 2022 at 09:22 PM Share Posted April 9, 2022 at 09:22 PM On 4/8/2022 at 8:02 PM, steveTA84 said: Gotta love how out of state activists file witness slips.... I missed this one, but there is a Large corporation, in IL that now have their name on the proponent witness slips. I wonder how a nation wide company would feel about a subsidiary having their name out there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steveTA84 Posted April 9, 2022 at 11:32 PM Share Posted April 9, 2022 at 11:32 PM On 4/9/2022 at 4:22 PM, mab22 said: I missed this one, but there is a Large corporation, in IL that now have their name on the proponent witness slips. I wonder how a nation wide company would feel about a subsidiary having their name out there. Anthem? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mab22 Posted April 10, 2022 at 01:28 AM Share Posted April 10, 2022 at 01:28 AM On 4/9/2022 at 6:32 PM, steveTA84 said: Anthem? Correct, a simple DDG search takes you to Linked in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaveIL Posted April 11, 2022 at 05:10 AM Share Posted April 11, 2022 at 05:10 AM On 4/8/2022 at 8:02 PM, steveTA84 said: Gotta love how out of state activists file witness slips.... Her last name is what? Say it outloud then afterwards say "myself" (I deal with things in humor, it's not how I see things, it's how I digest them) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeyk101 Posted April 11, 2022 at 06:37 PM Share Posted April 11, 2022 at 06:37 PM On 4/11/2022 at 12:10 AM, DaveIL said: Her last name is what? Say it outloud then afterwards say "myself" (I deal with things in humor, it's not how I see things, it's how I digest them) Isn't it more about what happens after the digestion??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lilguy Posted April 12, 2022 at 11:59 AM Share Posted April 12, 2022 at 11:59 AM What is the status of this ban now? Can it be twisted to go after any of our factory finished firearms? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Felixd Posted April 12, 2022 at 01:33 PM Share Posted April 12, 2022 at 01:33 PM On 4/9/2022 at 10:32 AM, mauserme said: To clarify my statement, though, a single bill does not alleviate my personal lack of trust for their lobbying team. That mistrust was earned over more than a decade of questionable, sometimes full fledged antigun activity, going back to pre-lobbyist days in one individual's case. My distrust is only 2 years old. It’s based on the hyperbole of the leader and the machinations of their lobbyists. Empty rhetoric, slow reactions, and royal assumptions that only they can speak for gun owners. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cybermgk Posted April 12, 2022 at 04:00 PM Share Posted April 12, 2022 at 04:00 PM Considering Joe Friedbrain'ss announcement yesterday, this part is ominous " For models of firearms in which 11 multiple parts provide such housing or structure, the part or 12 parts that the Director of the federal Bureau of Alcohol, 13 Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives has determined are a frame or 14 receiver constitute the frame or receiver." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lou Posted April 12, 2022 at 07:42 PM Share Posted April 12, 2022 at 07:42 PM And Biden just nominated a new director of the BATFE who is another rabid anti gun zealot. That nomination also needs to be stopped like the last one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cybermgk Posted April 12, 2022 at 08:01 PM Share Posted April 12, 2022 at 08:01 PM On 4/12/2022 at 6:59 AM, lilguy said: What is the status of this ban now? Can it be twisted to go after any of our factory finished firearms? Npt signed yet. But as written, technically it would outlaw Sig P320s and P365s and just about any AR15 even if bought assembled. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mab22 Posted April 13, 2022 at 05:45 PM Share Posted April 13, 2022 at 05:45 PM On 4/12/2022 at 3:01 PM, cybermgk said: Npt signed yet. But as written, technically it would outlaw Sig P320s and P365s and just about any AR15 even if bought assembled. Why would they be outlawed? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Euler Posted April 13, 2022 at 07:02 PM Share Posted April 13, 2022 at 07:02 PM On 4/12/2022 at 4:01 PM, cybermgk said: Npt signed yet. But as written, technically it would outlaw Sig P320s and P365s and just about any AR15 even if bought assembled. On 4/13/2022 at 1:45 PM, mab22 said: Why would they be outlawed? For SIG P320 and P365, the grip module is not serialized. For AR-15, the upper receiver is not serialized. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JDW Posted April 13, 2022 at 11:51 PM Share Posted April 13, 2022 at 11:51 PM From: The Truth About Guns By John Boch Date April 9, 2022 This bill appears to be a hugely damaging one to every Illinois AR owner. Worth a read, it's not good. This could be a huge hit for us, huge. https://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/illinois-ghost-gun-ban-bill-passed-in-dead-of-night-appears-to-ban-the-sig-p320-and-p365-unserialized-ar-uppers/ Sorry I missed the slips, I wasn't around. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mauserme Posted April 14, 2022 at 12:29 AM Author Share Posted April 14, 2022 at 12:29 AM On 4/13/2022 at 6:51 PM, JDW said: From: The Truth About Guns By John Boch Date April 9, 2022 This bill appears to be a hugely damaging one to every Illinois AR owner. Worth a read, it's not good. This could be a huge hit for us, huge. https://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/illinois-ghost-gun-ban-bill-passed-in-dead-of-night-appears-to-ban-the-sig-p320-and-p365-unserialized-ar-uppers/ Sorry I missed the slips, I wasn't around. The definition of a receiver in the Illinois bill follows the way ATF defines it. Currently that's only the lower on an AR. I don't see that being changed in the new federal regulations. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JDW Posted April 14, 2022 at 12:50 AM Share Posted April 14, 2022 at 12:50 AM On 4/13/2022 at 7:29 PM, mauserme said: The definition of a receiver in the Illinois bill follows the way ATF defines it. Currently that's only the lower on an AR. I don't see that being changed in the new federal regulations. Mauserme, Thanks, i sure hope you're right. We both know you've forgotten more about this stuff than I'll ever know, so I feel much better right now. Hope you're doing well my friend. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mab22 Posted April 14, 2022 at 12:58 AM Share Posted April 14, 2022 at 12:58 AM On 4/13/2022 at 7:29 PM, mauserme said: The definition of a receiver in the Illinois bill follows the way ATF defines it. Currently that's only the lower on an AR. I don't see that being changed in the new federal regulations. Without the lower portion I don’t think you can “initiate”, complete, or continue a firing sequence without a lower could you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StuckInIllinois Posted April 14, 2022 at 06:09 PM Share Posted April 14, 2022 at 06:09 PM As seen in my email today. Not sure what to think about this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Euler Posted April 14, 2022 at 07:03 PM Share Posted April 14, 2022 at 07:03 PM On 4/14/2022 at 2:09 PM, StuckInIllinois said: As seen in my email today. Not sure what to think about this. ... Hopefully Law Weapons is being sardonic rather than serious. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steveTA84 Posted April 15, 2022 at 01:30 PM Share Posted April 15, 2022 at 01:30 PM On 4/14/2022 at 1:09 PM, StuckInIllinois said: As seen in my email today. Not sure what to think about this. I would avoid that training center like the plague. Already looking to capitalize for a buck and not doing a thing to help fight it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Molly B. Posted April 15, 2022 at 03:02 PM Share Posted April 15, 2022 at 03:02 PM What in the world?? This hasn't been signed into law yet, not effective yet. We know it's coming but this type of fearmongering is just wrong. edited to add - 180 days after effective date: section b - Penalty for knowingly sell, offer to sell, or transfer an unserialized unfinished frame or receiver or unserialized firearm (b) is guilty of a Class 4 felony for a first violation and is guilty of a Class 2 felony for a second or subsequent violation. Penalty for possession: (1) A person who violates subsection (c) or (d) is guilty of a Class A misdemeanor for a first violation and is guilty of a Class 3 felony for a second or subsequent violation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
solareclipse2 Posted April 15, 2022 at 03:44 PM Share Posted April 15, 2022 at 03:44 PM On 4/15/2022 at 8:30 AM, steveTA84 said: I would avoid that training center like the plague. Already looking to capitalize for a buck and not doing a thing to help fight it Cash grab, taking advantage of the ill-informed or otherwise stupid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smallbore Posted April 15, 2022 at 04:20 PM Share Posted April 15, 2022 at 04:20 PM I am sure they will destroy a nice old turned in gun, or new. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scotty425 Posted April 15, 2022 at 04:31 PM Share Posted April 15, 2022 at 04:31 PM So just where are these serial numbers coming from, how are they generated? Is the number that is on an AR lower going to be inscribed on the upper? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Illinois Sucks Posted April 15, 2022 at 04:48 PM Share Posted April 15, 2022 at 04:48 PM On 4/15/2022 at 11:31 AM, Scotty425 said: So just where are these serial numbers coming from, how are they generated? Is the number that is on an AR lower going to be inscribed on the upper? And how would they check if a number on a gun is legit? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SiliconSorcerer Posted April 15, 2022 at 05:37 PM Share Posted April 15, 2022 at 05:37 PM On 4/15/2022 at 10:02 AM, Molly B. said: section b - Penalty for knowingly sell, offer to sell, or transfer an unserialized unfinished frame or receiver or unserialized firearm (b) is guilty of a Class 4 felony for a first violation and is guilty of a Class 2 felony for a second or subsequent violation. You can't legally do that now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Illinois Sucks Posted April 15, 2022 at 06:12 PM Share Posted April 15, 2022 at 06:12 PM On 4/15/2022 at 12:37 PM, SiliconSorcerer said: You can't legally do that now. You can legally sell an UNFINISHED.... Penalty for knowingly sell, offer to sell, or transfer an unserialized unfinished frame or receiver or unserialized firearm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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