InterestedBystander Posted May 4, 2021 at 05:07 AM Share Posted May 4, 2021 at 05:07 AM Full article at link: https://chicago.suntimes.com/crime/2021/5/3/22416397/chicago-gunshot-detection-system-dead-end-deployments-macarthur-justice-center ...86% of alerts from citys gunshot detection system led to dead-end deployments, researchers find An analysis of the citys gunshot detection system released Monday found that nearly 86% of police deployments to alerts of gunfire prompted no formal reports of any crime. The research, conducted by the MacArthur Justice Center at the Northwestern University School of Law, shows there were more that 40,000 dead-end deployments to gunshot alerts recorded between July 2019 and mid-April an average of 61 each day. Just 10% of the alerts over that period sent officers on calls that likely involved guns, the researchers found after analyzing records kept by the citys Office of Emergency Management and Communications. ShotSpotter, the publicly traded company that provides its acoustic gunshot detection technology to Chicago and 110 other cities across the country, claims its system is a highly effective technology thats 97% accurate. During a news conference Monday, Mayor Lori Lightfoot called ShotSpotter an incredibly important tool in our crime-fighting arsenal and questioned whether the new research is actually accurate. Meanwhile, activists continue to raise concerns about ShotSpotters ability to distinguish between gunfire and other loud noises like fireworks. In addition, alarms are being sounded over the technologys potential to increase the number of highly charged law enforcement interactions in police districts with large minority populations. ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rmart Posted May 4, 2021 at 11:29 AM Share Posted May 4, 2021 at 11:29 AM What about gangsters just randomly shooting off firearms occasionally specifically for the purpose of drawing police away from somewhere else, or just to run them ragged? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cope Posted May 4, 2021 at 11:50 AM Share Posted May 4, 2021 at 11:50 AM Im shocked......... you mean very few criminals stand around waiting for the police to show up half an hour later? Sounds like another scapegoat for soaring crime rates. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RECarry Posted May 4, 2021 at 12:30 PM Share Posted May 4, 2021 at 12:30 PM Watch for exciting new product roll-outs from ShotSpotter to help keep the public safe. 1. CorruptPoliticianSpotter2. PoliceDefundingSpotter3. GerrymanderingSpotter4. LooterSpotter5. CarjackSpotter6. PublicUrinationSpotter7. RaceBaiterSpotter8. SidewaysGripSpotter9. WhiteDomesticTerroristSpotter10. VoteHarvesterSpotter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cybermgk Posted May 4, 2021 at 01:05 PM Share Posted May 4, 2021 at 01:05 PM So who does Lightfoot know or is related to, that has a stake in Shotgrifters, er sorry, Shotspotter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bubbacs Posted May 4, 2021 at 01:44 PM Share Posted May 4, 2021 at 01:44 PM So who does Lightfoot know or is related to, that has a stake in Shotgrifters, er sorry, Shotspotter.Same person who has relatives in each of the other 110 cities. Roots run deep! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeffrey Posted May 4, 2021 at 01:54 PM Share Posted May 4, 2021 at 01:54 PM So who does Lightfoot know or is related to, that has a stake in Shotgrifters, er sorry, Shotspotter.Same person who has relatives in each of the other 110 cities. Roots run deep! Do they have a nephew with parking meters? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quiet Observer Posted May 4, 2021 at 03:47 PM Share Posted May 4, 2021 at 03:47 PM From the article: "The Police Department’s use of the gunshot detection technology has drawn increased attention after the death of 13-year-old Adam Toledo, who was fatally shot by an officer responding to ShotSpotter alerts in late March. Freddy Martinez, executive director of the transparency nonprofit Lucy Parsons Labs, penned an op-ed last week in South Side Weekly calling for an end to the city’s deal with ShotSpotter in the wake of his killing.“We must work to abolish the use of surveillance technologies to bring justice for Adam Toledo and others like him,” Martinez wrote.On Monday morning, Martinez’s group and two other nonprofits filed an amicus brief in a pending murder case in Cook County court that relies on ShotSpotter evidence. The MacArthur Justice Center is representing the organizations behind the filing, which draws on the new findings about ShotSpotter.The defendant, 64-year-old Michael Williams, has pleaded not guilty to six counts of murder stemming from a fatal shooting on the South Side that happened amid a wave of looting late last May. Williams, who was denied bail, already filed a motion April 22 to exclude the ShotSpotter evidence, court records show." The system worked so we have to get rid of it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cybermgk Posted May 4, 2021 at 04:39 PM Share Posted May 4, 2021 at 04:39 PM So who does Lightfoot know or is related to, that has a stake in Shotgrifters, er sorry, Shotspotter.Same person who has relatives in each of the other 110 cities. Roots run deep! So you honestly think there is ZERO chance that, the company didn't hire relatives, cronies, those owed political favors, etc, from any of the Chicago Ploiticos that decided yep on the contract? Please. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Euler Posted May 4, 2021 at 06:24 PM Share Posted May 4, 2021 at 06:24 PM It is common for people in positions of authority to seek technical solutions to non-technical problems. It is also common for people to ignore that technology is usually unable to solve non-technical problems. ShotSpotter is a technical solution. Crime is a non-technical problem. There are no surprises here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flynn Posted May 4, 2021 at 11:26 PM Share Posted May 4, 2021 at 11:26 PM Asking for a friend, is it a crime to play back sampled gun shot sounds on your surround sound system in your backyard? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
richp Posted May 5, 2021 at 12:07 AM Share Posted May 5, 2021 at 12:07 AM Second City Cop always had a very low opinion of this system. Rich Phillips Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chislinger Posted May 5, 2021 at 12:34 AM Share Posted May 5, 2021 at 12:34 AM Asking for a friend, is it a crime to play back sampled gun shot sounds on your surround sound system in your backyard?Good luck finding a recording that accurately represents gun shots, or a speaker that could play them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flynn Posted May 5, 2021 at 01:19 AM Share Posted May 5, 2021 at 01:19 AM Asking for a friend, is it a crime to play back sampled gun shot sounds on your surround sound system in your backyard?Good luck finding a recording that accurately represents gun shots, or a speaker that could play them. It really depends on what the system is actually listening for, sure you won't reproduce an immediate vacinity large caliber gunshot sound, but you could accurately produce a more distant gun shot sould or even a pretty close 22LR sound faithfully... I'm betting the system relies heavily on the actual sound profile vs decibels it hears, I see no reason why you couldn't replicate the sound profile and fool it... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smallbore Posted May 5, 2021 at 01:42 AM Share Posted May 5, 2021 at 01:42 AM Is gun spotter cost effective? Everyone has a cell phone. Is gun spotter more effective than 911? How much of violent crime involve a gun shot? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EdDinIL Posted May 5, 2021 at 02:27 AM Share Posted May 5, 2021 at 02:27 AM Asking for a friend, is it a crime to play back sampled gun shot sounds on your surround sound system in your backyard?Watch the bank heist from Heat in your backyard. That'll get your neighbors' attention. lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flynn Posted May 5, 2021 at 02:30 AM Share Posted May 5, 2021 at 02:30 AM Is gun spotter cost effective? Everyone has a cell phone. Is gun spotter more effective than 911? How much of violent crime involve a gun shot? The article says 86% of the deployments for gun shots from the system come up empty handed with no report of a crime, so I would say no. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flynn Posted May 5, 2021 at 02:32 AM Share Posted May 5, 2021 at 02:32 AM Asking for a friend, is it a crime to play back sampled gun shot sounds on your surround sound system in your backyard?Watch the bank heist from Heat in your backyard. That'll get your neighbors' attention. lol https://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/local/car-exhaust-pipe-gunfire-sound-i-team-new-york-city-brooklyn/1063002/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobPistol Posted May 5, 2021 at 03:44 AM Share Posted May 5, 2021 at 03:44 AM Asking for a friend, is it a crime to play back sampled gun shot sounds on your surround sound system in your backyard?Good luck finding a recording that accurately represents gun shots, or a speaker that could play them. You mean like this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikew Posted May 5, 2021 at 03:55 AM Share Posted May 5, 2021 at 03:55 AM https://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/local/car-exhaust-pipe-gunfire-sound-i-team-new-york-city-brooklyn/1063002/ Everything old is new again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobPistol Posted May 5, 2021 at 05:05 AM Share Posted May 5, 2021 at 05:05 AM https://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/local/car-exhaust-pipe-gunfire-sound-i-team-new-york-city-brooklyn/1063002/ Everything old is new again. So the morons post their NY plated cars with these things doing their gunshot noises on Instagram and nothing happened? No cops came by their houses and asked some interesting questions with ticket books and tow trucks at the ready? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeffrey Posted May 5, 2021 at 12:49 PM Share Posted May 5, 2021 at 12:49 PM Asking for a friend, is it a crime to play back sampled gun shot sounds on your surround sound system in your backyard? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JTHunter Posted May 5, 2021 at 01:46 PM Share Posted May 5, 2021 at 01:46 PM It is common for people in positions of authority to seek technical solutions to non-technical problems. It is also common for people to ignore that technology is usually unable to solve non-technical problems. ShotSpotter is a technical solution. Crime is a non-technical problem. There are no surprises here. :clap: :thumbs up 3: Asking for a friend, is it a crime to play back sampled gun shot sounds on your surround sound system in your backyard?What about somebody using their backyard as a "home theater" with one of those "projectors" that can make a wall-sized image and they are playing a movie that has a lot of gunfire in it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SiliconSorcerer Posted May 5, 2021 at 04:05 PM Share Posted May 5, 2021 at 04:05 PM This has the beans... https://endpolicesurveillance.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quiet Observer Posted May 5, 2021 at 09:40 PM Share Posted May 5, 2021 at 09:40 PM Asking for a friend, is it a crime to play back sampled gun shot sounds on your surround sound system in your backyard?What about somebody using their backyard as a "home theater" with one of those "projectors" that can make a wall-sized image and they are playing a movie that has a lot of gunfire in it? Could possibly be a disturbance of the peace or noise ordinance violation depending the volume, time of day/night, etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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