C0untZer0 Posted November 6, 2021 at 07:29 PM Posted November 6, 2021 at 07:29 PM I'm guessing it wasn't ball ammo? It almost took off that guy's arm off - "Gaige Grosskreutz, medic and 'Sole Survivor' of Kenosha Shootings" I searched a little but couldn't find what ammo was used.
2A4Cook Posted November 6, 2021 at 10:12 PM Posted November 6, 2021 at 10:12 PM Should that become public, you can bet the lefties will be screaming to ban it. I doubt that it much matters what kind, though .. wasn't it practically point blank range?
ScopeEye Posted November 6, 2021 at 11:05 PM Posted November 6, 2021 at 11:05 PM Somewhere I read Green tips
Euler Posted November 6, 2021 at 11:26 PM Posted November 6, 2021 at 11:26 PM On 11/6/2021 at 7:05 PM, ScopeEye said: Somewhere I read Green tips "They" already want to ban that, because Obama said it was armor-piercing.
mikew Posted November 7, 2021 at 12:06 AM Posted November 7, 2021 at 12:06 AM On 11/6/2021 at 6:26 PM, Euler said: "They" already want to ban that, because Obama said it was armor-piercing. If it comes out of the muzzle of a rifle chambered in .223 Rem or 5.56 NATO, then it is already something that the libs have tried to ban in the past.
Lou Posted November 7, 2021 at 12:21 AM Posted November 7, 2021 at 12:21 AM On 11/6/2021 at 7:06 PM, mikew said: If it comes out of the muzzle of a rifle chambered in .223 Rem or 5.56 NATO, then it is already something that the libs have tried to ban in the past. Purple on >>>Plus it is a Black rifle so it MUST be bad.<<<purple off.
spanishjames Posted November 7, 2021 at 01:13 AM Posted November 7, 2021 at 01:13 AM Anything out of an AR15, at point blank range, would do that kind of damage.
papa Posted November 7, 2021 at 01:55 AM Posted November 7, 2021 at 01:55 AM On 11/6/2021 at 6:26 PM, Euler said: "They" already want to ban that, because Obama said it was armor-piercing. I don't know about it being "armor piercing " but it was certainly arm piercing.
C0untZer0 Posted November 7, 2021 at 04:12 PM Author Posted November 7, 2021 at 04:12 PM If an FMJ didn't tumble, wouldn't it make a through-and-through hole ? The top part of that guy's arm was blown off. Its hard to believe hydro-static shock did that.
2A4Cook Posted November 7, 2021 at 05:10 PM Posted November 7, 2021 at 05:10 PM On 11/7/2021 at 10:12 AM, C0untZer0 said: If an FMJ didn't tumble, wouldn't it make a through-and-through hole ? The top part of that guy's arm was blown off. Its hard to believe hydro-static shock did that. Could it have been helped along by muzzle blast?
Bubbacs Posted November 7, 2021 at 05:30 PM Posted November 7, 2021 at 05:30 PM Based solely upon the results......”Deadly Ammo”. The kind that can kill!
Lou Posted November 7, 2021 at 07:29 PM Posted November 7, 2021 at 07:29 PM On 11/7/2021 at 11:10 AM, 2A4Cook said: Could it have been helped along by muzzle blast? That would be my guess.
modeler1945 Posted November 7, 2021 at 08:58 PM Posted November 7, 2021 at 08:58 PM When the prosecution direct questioned Ryan Balch (day 2 of the trial I believe), they had him explain what an FMJ was, even though he wasn't brought in as an expert witness. This implies to me that KR was carrying FMJ, but did not denote whether it was 55gr, 62gr or other. Prosecution seemed to be going for the "overly dangerous ammo" argument because "FMJ can over penetrate vs JHP".
C0untZer0 Posted November 11, 2021 at 02:17 AM Author Posted November 11, 2021 at 02:17 AM Kyle Rittenhouse confirmed on the stand that his rifle was loaded with FMJ.
Bird76Mojo Posted November 11, 2021 at 02:50 AM Posted November 11, 2021 at 02:50 AM If it hit bone, it would likely rupture the arm like a ripe melon..
Euler Posted November 11, 2021 at 02:58 AM Posted November 11, 2021 at 02:58 AM On 11/10/2021 at 9:17 PM, C0untZer0 said: Kyle Rittenhouse confirmed on the stand that his rifle was loaded with FMJ. Brietbart Brietbart said: Prosecutor Thomas Binger cross-examined Kyle Rittenhouse in court on Wednesday and suggested hollow point bullets are designed to "explode" inside an animal. "Hollow point bullets are designed to hit the animal that they're being shot at, let's say a deer for example, and explode inside that body, correct?" Binger said. Rittenhouse shook his head left to right and said, "No, I don't think so." Judge Bruce Schroeder then interjected and asked Binger to clarify as to whether he meant "expand" or "explode." ... Binger's emphasis on ammunition came after Rittenhouse had already confirmed that his AR-15 was loaded with full metal jacket (FMJ) bullets, rather than hollow points. I'm sure he meant "explode," because he's confirming what his intended audience thinks.
2A4Cook Posted November 11, 2021 at 03:41 AM Posted November 11, 2021 at 03:41 AM Wow, they've miniaturized anti-tank rounds for everyone to use! Stupid lefties ...
oneshot Posted November 11, 2021 at 05:13 AM Posted November 11, 2021 at 05:13 AM 'tis but a scratch.
Odinson Posted November 11, 2021 at 01:48 PM Posted November 11, 2021 at 01:48 PM He testified that it was .223 fmj.
mikew Posted December 19, 2021 at 12:09 AM Posted December 19, 2021 at 12:09 AM On 11/7/2021 at 10:12 AM, C0untZer0 said: If an FMJ didn't tumble, wouldn't it make a through-and-through hole ? The top part of that guy's arm was blown off. Its hard to believe hydro-static shock did that. Why is that hard to believe?
Yettiblood Posted December 19, 2021 at 02:19 AM Posted December 19, 2021 at 02:19 AM On 11/7/2021 at 10:12 AM, C0untZer0 said: If an FMJ didn't tumble, wouldn't it make a through-and-through hole ? The top part of that guy's arm was blown off. Its hard to believe hydro-static shock did that. Through and through yes, but flesh and muscle don’t absorb the bullets kinetic energy very well so through and through can be pretty gnarly, especially at 3000 fps
TRJ Posted December 23, 2021 at 03:59 PM Posted December 23, 2021 at 03:59 PM It's my understanding that if a bullet severs ligaments that the muscles they're connected to will contract instantly like a roller shade. That violence of action may be what a made an otherwise comparitively minor wound seem so much worse in photos and video.
Kaos Posted February 24, 2022 at 03:10 PM Posted February 24, 2022 at 03:10 PM On 11/10/2021 at 11:13 PM, oneshot said: 'tis but a scratch. Wow. Never saw this picture before.
mikew Posted February 26, 2022 at 03:06 AM Posted February 26, 2022 at 03:06 AM On 2/25/2022 at 5:36 PM, r4ndy said: Arm piercing? Ouch
Lou Posted March 1, 2022 at 01:50 PM Posted March 1, 2022 at 01:50 PM This is how ignorant some of our Illinois politicians are. This is my US Reps reaction to the Rittenhouse verdict.
DD123 Posted March 3, 2022 at 09:55 PM Posted March 3, 2022 at 09:55 PM If you check out 223 ballistic gel test videos on YouTube, seeing the force of a standard FMJ coming out at 223 velocities ,the damage to that loser's arm wouldn't be all that surprising.
davel501 Posted March 3, 2022 at 10:15 PM Posted March 3, 2022 at 10:15 PM The CIP chamber pressure spec for 5.56 NATO is 62,000 psi so not only is that little piece of metal moving a good rate but also has a good jet of air behind it that close up. The rifle gas system is going to bleed off some of that but still a decent jet of air and still combusting propellant.
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