Tribune solves mystery: Chicago's guns come from gun stores.

[mikew]

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/breaking/ct-met-chicago-crime-guns-report-20171026-story.html

 

 

sample:

The gun had been sold just four months earlier at Suburban Sporting Goods in Melrose Park, a cramped strip mall store about 10 miles from the gritty block where 25-year-old Charzelle Hayes was killed, according to Chicago police. Ballistics matched the Nagant revolver to bullets removed from Hayes’ body, police said.

 

How the weapon made its way in such a short time from a retail purchase into the hands of Ward, a gang member who had recently been released from prison for a robbery conviction, reflects one of the most persistent and vexing problems in stemming the city’s epidemic of gun violence, experts say.

A sweeping gun trace report to be publicly released by the city on Sunday showed nearly one quarter of guns recovered at crime scenes over a recent four-year period came from just 10 Chicago-area businesses.

 

And Suburban Sporting Goods has made a startling leap into the top 10 list, according to the report, a collaboration among the mayor’s office, Chicago Police Department and University of Chicago Crime Lab.

 

In fact, the number of crime guns traced back to the Melrose Park shop jumped 300 percent in that time period, with weapons turning up at crime scenes from Edgewater to South Chicago as well as the West and Northwest sides of the city.

 

--more at link--

[snooter]

Thats some serious type detective work by the tribune..

[RandyP]

On a very related note - convicted felony straw purchaser gets probation and community service:

 

http://www.guns.com/2017/04/17/straw-purchaser-with-4-felony-gun-charges-will-not-get-jail-time/

[snooter]

On a very related note - convicted felony straw purchaser gets probation and community service:

 

http://www.guns.com/2017/04/17/straw-purchaser-with-4-felony-gun-charges-will-not-get-jail-time/

And that right there is what the tribune fails to grasp or more likely does not want to report cause it does not fit the agenda....the courts up there have failed the people...enforce the dam law which they do not...

[mic6010]

And let me guess the ending to that story. They are gonna fix the problem by regulating all those gun shops into oblivion right ?

 

Because if the state FOID system and federal background checks can't stop someone from breaking the law then forcing gun stores into paying exorbitant fees and jumping through unreasonable hoops at the the state of ILs beckoning most certainly would right ?.

 

Yep...that's gonna stop people with no criminal records from straw purchasing and passing those guns along under the table to gang bangers. I can just see it now.

 

They would have a better chance of catching a criminal by assigning an undercover detective to follow around each person that buys a gun from a gun store in Chicago than passing that stupid law.

But we all know that's not what its about right. Its about the war on guns stores and how to most effectively close them all down without actually making it look like you're closing them all down.

They don't give a damn about dead people and stopping crime. They just hate the guns.

[HeavyDuty]

A Nagant? Really?

[Windermere]

On a very related note - convicted felony straw purchaser gets probation and community service:

 

http://www.guns.com/2017/04/17/straw-purchaser-with-4-felony-gun-charges-will-not-get-jail-time/

Wow, that beady eyed beast should be rotting in a cell for about 25 years.

[C0untZer0]

Propaganda.

 

Why doesn't the Tribune investigate why Ward - a vicious felon with multiple convictions, and a known gang member, was released from prison.

 

Because it doesn't fit the narrative.

 

 

I bet a sweeping investigation would show that nearly seven eighths of criminals committing recent crimes in Chicago were recently released from just 10 Chicagoland incarceration facilities.

[mauserme]

Trying to build support for SB1657 is what's going on in this article.

[BobPistol]

Agreed, this is definitely propaganda. Remember, leftists reproduce by brainwashing.

[C0untZer0]

Trying to build support for SB1657 is what's going on in this article.

 

 

 

Ya.

 

They're not reporting news, they're working hand and hand with their ideological counter-parts in government to shape society.

[SiliconSorcerer]

Trying to build support for SB1657 is what's going on in this article.

 

Just like when there was progress on silencers all of the sudden there was news for days and says about how the Chicago shot (whatever it's called) is doing such a wonderful job even preventing shooting before it happened

 

Vegas is WAY to quiet there must be something not fitting the agenda.

[vito]

When anyone tells me that the anti-gun culture among the powers that be in Illinois has changed, as evidenced by legal concealed carry, I tell them that the only reason we have legal concealed carry is because the Federal courts actually paid some attention to the 2nd Amendment and forced the State to come up with a concealed carry law. I don't think that the Chicago pols have changed one iota in their hatred and opposition to guns and everything associated with guns. The Tribune is obsesses with "gun crime" instead of "gang crime", but using Joseph Goebbels' methods, knows that if the public is told often enough that the problem is the guns, not the people using those guns, that eventually they will all believe it. Rockford, where I live, is no gun paradise, but we have several gun shops in the area and the local news media does not seem obsessed with trying to blame them for the violent crime in the community. But I guess there is no hope for Chicago having a change of attitude.

[Lou]

I have to laugh at the Libune. For years they have been blaming the gang violence in Chicago on “loose gun laws” of the neighboring states. Well that didn’t work so now they say 25% of the guns traced come from the 10 closest gun stores to Chicago, which has no gun stores. Well that’s a big no brainer.

[Hap]

The behavior of Chicago politicians is consistent with the hypothesis that they do not really want the gangs, and the resulting violent crime, to go away, but that enough voters are disturbed by violence that the politicians feel they need to at least appear to want to do something about the violence or perhaps even about the gangs. Hence the parade of ineffective non-solutions and the constant blaming of lawful firearms owners. If the Trib really wants to do some serious investigative reporting, it might want to start by examining the ties between Chicago politicians and Chicago gangs.

[mauserme]

I have to laugh at the Libune. For years they have been blaming the gang violence in Chicago on “loose gun laws” of the neighboring states. Well that didn’t work so now they say 25% of the guns traced come from the 10 closest gun stores to Chicago, which has no gun stores. Well that’s a big no brainer.

 

And if we let them succeed in closing the 10 closest guns stores, it will then be the next 10 closest, and the 10 after that until there aren't any left.

 

That's one of the most sinister parts of SB1657.

[THE KING]

So, if the gun was sold just four months prior to it being used in a murder, then this is a no brainer. It's called a straw purchase by someone that is able to buy a firearm legally. HELLO!!

 

The straw purchaser should be able to be found relatively quickly. They should be charged as an accessory to murder, PERIOD. But as we all know they will get a slap on the wrist and go out and do it again.

 

Hey LIbune, how about putting the blame where it belongs. That would be the Judicial system in Cook county. It's not rocket science and I get it, it doesn't fit your agenda.

[kevinmcc]

On a very related note - convicted felony straw purchaser gets probation and community service:

 

http://www.guns.com/2017/04/17/straw-purchaser-with-4-felony-gun-charges-will-not-get-jail-time/

Even if you had mandatory minimum sentences, still won't fix Chicago's gang problems.

 

The idiot legislature, city councils, and county board are the ones keeping Chicago's poor, all while driving working tax payers and businesses from the state.

 

Cronies are too busy sucking up tax dollars getting rich while maintaining Chicago's poor, keeping them poor and right where they are.

 

Those cronies have a code name most people do not understand what it means, they are the "Community Organizers."

 

What is sad is one of those cons was elected twice to the White House.

[C0untZer0]

It is also the hypocrisy, stupidity and intentional blindness of the communities that are spawning both the violence, and the politicians who maintain it.

 

No mother wants her violent son incarcerated for crimes he committed, she wants something done about crime - but not when her son commits a crime.

 

The mothers stupidly believe in dreamy promises and vague collective solutions to a problem that is created one individual at a time by a lack of a parenting and the absence of a family culture that drives success. The mothers believe in the virtue posturing of politicians who promise them a world where it will be impossible for their children to commit crimes. For the longest time this has been symbolized by the talk of banning guns and guaranteeing that they aren't available to bad people to do bad things.

 

The mothers will not take responsibility for their own failures, it is impossible for anyone to fix a problem that they're depending on someone else to fix.

 

All of this makes them ripe for exploitation by politicians who use them to gain power and riches. The real victims are the members of civilized society who are simultaneously taxed by the corrupt politicians and preyed upon by the violent offspring of these communities.

[markthesignguy]

1. wonder how many Tiahrt violations this story represents.

 

2. This story HAD to be in the works since before the Las Vegas shooting,

which says they have been planning / preparing to tee up SB1657 for the second week of veto session.

 

3. It used to be FOUR gun stores....

I guess the FOUR stores that they have been defaming got even better at blocking illegitimate purchase attempts

and thus drove those potential criminals to the next nearest stores. And the experience "educated" the potential criminals.

[SiliconSorcerer]

A Nagant? Really?

 

1944 - Izhevsk Production, I doubt any shop has that ammo in stock.

[DonP]

Where's the rest of the story Tribune? How about some follow through by your "Ace" reporters?

 

How many of those illegal gun deals reported were actually prosecuted by our Democrat prosecutors, Kim Foxx and Lisa Madigan?

 

What were the sentences from those lefty judges?

 

How much time did the straw purchasers actually serve, versus their sentences?

 

I'm betting we'd get a lot of hemming and hawing and a fast change of subject.

[cherryriver]

There's a bigger problem: the criminal justice system doesn't work in the first place. Cook County States Attorney Foxx has removed almost all avenues of prosecution: cops can arrest a felon but he's not going to get dinged, he'll be back out in hours most of the time. Along with Sheriff Dart trying to empty the Cook County Jail, they're not even holding violent felony charges, they're letting them out on recognizance bonds.

Even then, the hope for an arresting officer for getting a serious charge placed is slim- Foxx has cut off most avenues that would allow the charges to even be pressed in the first place.

It's a travesty beyond comprehension, and it's far beyond the ken of any gun laws.

For a clearer picture, spend a few days reading Second City Cop blog. They get to the nuts and bolts of prosecuting crime in Cook County, but a warning: it's guaranteed to make you ill.

[Grayhawk]

The key point of the article is that a gun used in a crime is easily traced back to the place it was purchased. Here the half-assed story ends. The store has records on who purchased such a gun and, if straw purchases are profitable, the purchaser is a repeat buyer.

Just how many different excuses can such an offender use to explain away criminal uses of his guns?

As required by law, has the offender reported each "lost" gun?

 

Straw purchasers in Chicago get probation - if they return to that activity and are caught again, what happens to them?

 

These are the areas the Trib article should have investigated.

[Raw Power]

Just 6 months ago, the Trib was telling us that guns from Indiana are the main problem.

[mikew]

Propaganda.

 

Why doesn't the Tribune investigate why Ward - a vicious felon with multiple convictions, and a known gang member, was released from prison.

 

Because it doesn't fit the narrative.

 

 

I bet a sweeping investigation would show that nearly seven eighths of criminals committing recent crimes in Chicago were recently released from just 10 Chicagoland incarceration facilities.

The trib investigated nothing here, they got an advance copy of the city's report.

[Jeffrey]

Timothy Ward was a convicted felon barred from possessing a firearm on the night he fatally shot a man during an argument on Chicago’s West Side.

 

Who would have seen that coming. A felon out on probation in possession of a gun. No follow up in the entire story about Mr Wards reason for probation. I wonder what the list looks like. What are the chances he served a fraction of the time originally given?

 

 

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[Skolnick]

Little sis bought the gun 4 months ago? Was it reported stolen? When did you last see it? You know, common sense questions as to why YOUR gun was found at a murder scene 16 weeks after you bought it?

 

The proposed legislation below is to address the problem of people legally buying a bunch of guns, and then reporting them stolen, and then legally replenishing their cache, and then having the new firearms stolen (repeat as necessary).

 

That being said, there is no sincerity in any of this. As RandyP noted in Post #3, they don't enforce the laws, and when they do, they plea bargain them down, and even then, they get out early.

 

 

 

 

http://www.ilga.gov/legislation/99/HB/09900HB3532.htm

 

Amends the Firearm Owners Identification Card Act. Provides that the Department of State Police shall revoke for one year the Firearm Owner's Identification Card of a card holder who reports to the local law enforcement agency his or her firearms lost or stolen 3 times within a 2-year period. Provides that any law enforcement agency that has knowledge that a card holder has reported his or her firearms lost or stolen 3 times within a 2-year period shall forthwith forward that information to the Department of State Police. Amends the Criminal Code of 2012. Provides that the sentence for attempt to acquire a firearm by use of a revoked Firearm Owner's Identification Card is a Class 4 felony.

[Skolnick]

That being said, there is no sincerity in any of this. As RandyP noted in Post #3, they don't enforce the laws, and when they do, they plea bargain them down, and even then, they get out early.

 

On May 13, 1999, Janet Reno said, “Since the passage of the Brady Law, over a quarter of a million felons, fugitives and other people who should not have guns have been stopped from buying them. And violent crimes committed with firearms have dropped by 27%.”

But as of 5/27/1999, the Justice Department had prosecuted about 20 out of an estimated 20,000 cases.

It is illegal for felons to buy guns, or even attempt to buy guns. When they walk into a gun store and submit paperwork for a Brady Bill check, it is known where they are at. It is not like they are sneaking into an empty bank trying to avoid detection. If there really were a quarter of a million felons trying to buy guns, then there ought to have been a quarter of a million arrests.

Either the numbers representing the benefit of another infringement have been grossly inflated, or they simply prefer to make life more difficult for the law-abiding than for the felon.

[Skolnick]

That being said, there is no sincerity in any of this. As RandyP noted in Post #3, they don't enforce the laws, and when they do, they plea bargain them down, and even then, they get out early.

 

From my stump rant -- I have more -- the problem is in deciding what to leave out ...

James Jordan was killed by two punks with a gun. One was out after serving 2 of 6 years for taking an axe to a teenage girl. He was released less than a month before the murder, if he had served 25 months of those 6 years instead of 24, Jordan might still be alive. The other punk was out after jumping bail FOR THE SECOND TIME on charges that he took a brick to the head of an old lady. The ONLY unusual thing about this incident was that the victim was the father of a famous basketball player.

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On 7/20/1993, Larry Eugene Phillips, Jr. and Emil Decebal Matasareanu robbed an armored car outside of a branch of FirstBank in Littleton, Colorado. In October, they were stopped for speeding. A search of their car found rifles, handguns, thousands of rounds of ammo, improvised explosive devices, body armor, and three different California license plates. They were sentenced to 100 days in the clink and a solid 3 years probation.

When released from prison, the guns, ammo, and body armor were RETURNED TO THEM.

Three and a half years later, after a string of bank and armor car robberies, they entered a branch office of the Bank of America. To find out what happened next, search for "North Hollywood Shootout".

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Willy Horton was sentenced to life without parole. Granted, he did not kill those people while on his Michael Dukakis furlough, but he was an example of a system that does let convicted killers out on the streets as a matter of policy.

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After Norman Mailer wrote the "The Executioner's Song", Jack Abbott (who was in prison for forgery, escape, bank robbery, and killing a fellow inmate) contacted Mailer and offered to write a book about prison life. Abbott's book was titled "In the Belly of the Beast". Mailer was so impressed by this fine young man, that he sponsored Abbott's parole and brought him to New York City where he became a celebrity in the literary circles that Mailer frequented.

Six weeks after release, Abbott killed Richard Adan with a knife.

Even after the murder, Abbott was openly supported by celebrities.

When it comes to ordinary citizens getting killed, liberals get more upset about the availably of guns than they do about the availability of parole. Although Mailer later admitted it was a mistake, at the time he was arrogant about his protege's fall from grace. "Art demands risks", he insisted.

Saturday Night Live did a skit mocking Mailer, and it is one of their best. You can see it at http://www.nbc.com/saturday-night-live/video/prose-and-cons/n8838?snl=1. It's 3 minutes long, but do watch it all the way through -- and especially notice all the credits at the end.

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On June 20, 1972, Joseph Yandle and Edward Fielding murdered Joe Reppucci. Both were sentenced to life without parole. On October 11, 1995 Yandle was released from his sentence of life without parole.

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Jimmy Lee Smith was a convicted cop-killer (he died in 2007). He was sentenced to death for the cold-blooded, execution-style killing of an on-duty, uniformed, police officer named Ian Campbell. For those of you old enough to remember, the "Onion Field" murder was front page, movie material stuff. Even so, Smith was paroled in less than 21 years (and later, re-arrested for several other violations). If a death sentence for the execution-style killing an on-duty, uniformed, police officer won't keep you out of society for 21 years, what will?!

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Sarah Jane Moore tried to assassinate the President of the United States and still got parole after receiving a life sentence -- and she is not an exception!

Squeaky Fromme -- a whack job if there ever was one -- got a life sentence for attemping to assassinate the President of the United States. Afterward, she attacked a fellow inmate with a hammer, escaped from prison (was recaptured), and like Sara Jane Moore above, still received a parole!

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During the Nuremberg trials, Rudolf Hess was sentenced to life, but for more than a dozen years the US wanted to pardon the aging Nazi -- and I'm talking about a real honest to goodness, card-carrying Nazi.

The ONLY reason that Hess died in prison was that the Soviet Union had a more literal definition about what "life in prison" means.

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We live in a society where there is no certainty that life without parole really means life without parole. We live in a society where a death sentence for a high-profile execution of an on-duty, uninformed police officer does not preclude parole in less than 21 years.

We live in a society where "Truth in Sentencing" -- meaning you will serve at least 85% of your time -- is a radical concept.