EdDinIL Posted January 10, 2023 at 09:41 PM Share Posted January 10, 2023 at 09:41 PM (edited) I assume the "Motion Filed to Reconsider Vote" is just a procedural thing for the Ds and not an actual attempt to prevent the bill's passage? Edited January 10, 2023 at 09:42 PM by EdDinIL Add screen grab Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davel501 Posted January 10, 2023 at 09:45 PM Share Posted January 10, 2023 at 09:45 PM On 1/10/2023 at 3:09 PM, 357 said: They even banned .50cal ammunition, more proof that is about "protecting Illinois communities" blah blah blah. It makes the tyrants feel safer. Yep...you are spot on Quote Of course the G4’s major capability, shared by all Lenco armored vehicles, is ballistic protection. The basic vehicle will defeat small arms ammunition up to 7.62 x 51mm NATO ball, and it is upgradeable to handle .50 caliber M2 Heavy Barrel or 7.62 x 51mm armor piercing rounds. SOR Magazine: Lenco BearCat G4 is "security big wheel" (police1.com) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Helpdesk9 Posted January 10, 2023 at 09:46 PM Share Posted January 10, 2023 at 09:46 PM On 1/10/2023 at 3:41 PM, EdDinIL said: I assume the "Motion Filed to Reconsider Vote" is just a procedural thing for the Ds and not an actual attempt to prevent the bill's passage? She's an attorney and used to work in theIL AGs office. Maybe she knows what's coming and doesn't want her name on it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mab22 Posted January 10, 2023 at 09:52 PM Share Posted January 10, 2023 at 09:52 PM Todd V's latest update here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mauserme Posted January 10, 2023 at 09:55 PM Author Share Posted January 10, 2023 at 09:55 PM On 1/10/2023 at 3:41 PM, EdDinIL said: I assume the "Motion Filed to Reconsider Vote" is just a procedural thing for the Ds and not an actual attempt to prevent the bill's passage? Yes it's procedural. It's a little hard to explain but it keeps folks that oppose the legislation from using that kind of motion to block the bill's progress. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dumak_from_arfcom Posted January 10, 2023 at 09:57 PM Share Posted January 10, 2023 at 09:57 PM On 1/10/2023 at 3:31 PM, 357 said: Also conspiring to makes thousands of business and small business owners and their workers go out of business and unemployed to advance the agendas of a billionaire, is this legal? I don't remember which dem it was, but back when Les Baer said he was leaving IL, I asked a dem rep about the potential job losses, she said that it was collateral damage, and it is worth it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Black Flag Posted January 10, 2023 at 10:04 PM Share Posted January 10, 2023 at 10:04 PM On 1/10/2023 at 3:31 PM, cybermgk said: Pump action is excluded from being an AW. What if I have a nervous tic? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikew Posted January 10, 2023 at 10:06 PM Share Posted January 10, 2023 at 10:06 PM On 1/10/2023 at 3:00 PM, steveTA84 said: It’s Sleeper account with less than 20 posts in 9 years (observation only) I don't think that has to mean anything bad, other than this is what it took to get people's attention. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steveTA84 Posted January 10, 2023 at 10:08 PM Share Posted January 10, 2023 at 10:08 PM Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drusus Posted January 10, 2023 at 10:12 PM Share Posted January 10, 2023 at 10:12 PM Is it too soon to officially label the Democrat Party the "Communist Democrat Party" or wait for the highly piled steam the Gubbner to ink it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ealcala31 Posted January 10, 2023 at 10:26 PM Share Posted January 10, 2023 at 10:26 PM On 1/10/2023 at 3:31 PM, cybermgk said: Pump action is excluded from being an AW. However as written, it only excludes attached tubular mags for 22 rifles of any kind and lever action from the 10 rd limit, thus, as I read it even pump shotguns are limited to a 10 rd magazine. AND, what is scary, is that with short shell rds, where does that leave a typical pump with a nominal 5-8 rd capacity, if using shorter rounds. As written, technically they would be illegal, except at home, range, on road to range, or private property with express permission. 13 (2) "Assault weapon" does not include: 14 (A) Any firearm that is an unserviceable firearm or 15 has been made permanently inoperable. 16 (B) An antique firearm or a replica of an antique 17 firearm. 18 (C) A firearm that is manually operated by bolt, pump, 19 lever or slide action, unless the firearm is a shotgun 20 with a revolving cylinder. However,as written, it would 9 Sec. 24-1.10. Manufacture, delivery, sale, and possession 10 of large capacity ammunition feeding devices. 11 (a) In this Section: 12 "Handgun" has the meaning ascribed to it in the Firearm 13 Concealed Carry Act. 14 "Long gun" means a rifle or shotgun. 15 "Large capacity ammunition feeding device" means: 16 (1) a magazine, belt, drum, feed strip, or similar 17 device that has a capacity of, or that can be readily 18 restored or converted to accept, more than 10 rounds of 19 ammunition for long guns and more than 15 rounds of 20 ammunition for handguns; or 21 (2) any combination of parts from which a device 22 described in paragraph (1) can be assembled. 23 "Large capacity ammunition feeding device" does not 24 include an attached tubular device designed to accept, and 25 capable of operating only with, .22 caliber rimfire 10200HB5471sam003 - 106 - LRB102 24372 RLC 42574 a 1 ammunition. "Large capacity ammunition feeding device" does 2 not include a tubular magazine that is contained in a 3 lever-action firearm or any device that has been made 4 permanently inoperable. This is where the lawyers come in. Without a cease & desist letter, I would argue that a pump action shotgun is not an assault weapon, so if I wanted to add a Nordic or Lancer magazine tube extension that would make my pump action shotgun have a magazine capacity of more than 10rds, that would be perfectly legal. I would look for an aggressive 2A lawyer like Bob Clement to represent me. It turns out that I am POOR and could barely afford a rookie attorney and would probably get my a$$ spanked... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steveTA84 Posted January 10, 2023 at 10:26 PM Share Posted January 10, 2023 at 10:26 PM (edited) Attorney with CRPA that is arguing in CA in front of judge on various gun issues (and a reminder that CA’s law was struck down and will be again shortly) Edited January 10, 2023 at 10:28 PM by steveTA84 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mitch Posted January 10, 2023 at 10:27 PM Share Posted January 10, 2023 at 10:27 PM On 1/10/2023 at 4:26 PM, ealcala31 said: This is where the lawyers come in. Without a cease & desist letter, I would argue that a pump action shotgun is not an assault weapon, so if I wanted to add a Nordic or Lancer magazine tube extension that would make my pump action shotgun have a magazine capacity of more than 10rds, that would be perfectly legal. I would look for an aggressive 2A lawyer like Bob Clement to represent me. It turns out that I am POOR and could barely afford a rookie attorney and would probably get my a$$ spanked... Sounds like a realtor and a moving van is the financially prudent decision. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ealcala31 Posted January 10, 2023 at 10:31 PM Share Posted January 10, 2023 at 10:31 PM On 1/10/2023 at 4:27 PM, Mitch said: Sounds like a realtor and a moving van is the financially prudent decision. Both, 2gther, would be much cheaper than hiring any lawyer...🤣 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
djmarkla Posted January 10, 2023 at 10:31 PM Share Posted January 10, 2023 at 10:31 PM On 1/10/2023 at 4:12 PM, drusus said: Is it too soon to officially label the Democrat Party the "Communist Democrat Party" or wait for the highly piled steam the Gubbner to ink it? too soon happened in 1930 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drusus Posted January 10, 2023 at 10:36 PM Share Posted January 10, 2023 at 10:36 PM On 1/10/2023 at 4:31 PM, djmarkla said: too soon happened in 1930 True.. Communist Tyrant Democrat Party seems more up to date. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mousegun6 Posted January 10, 2023 at 10:39 PM Share Posted January 10, 2023 at 10:39 PM On 1/10/2023 at 4:26 PM, steveTA84 said: Attorney with CRPA that is arguing in CA in front of judge on various gun issues This is all about Mike Bloomberg, money, and JB's Presidential bid. Money talks and pols can be bought. JB has to have this so he can say he is the king of the anti-gun rulers. He needs constant validation that he is the supreme ruler of Illinois. Just look at his never-ending state of emergency edicts over Covid. He is only interested in what is best for him and he doesn't care about anything or anyone else. The dems are already saying that they know this bill will not solve the problem and they still can't resist the opportunity to show everyone that they are in charge and ignore the people's will and the constitution, both federal and state. Illinois is a lost cause if these people don't get slapped down by the courts. Donate to the litigation fund of your choice and get ready for a long court battle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EdDinIL Posted January 10, 2023 at 10:50 PM Share Posted January 10, 2023 at 10:50 PM Meanwhile I'm waiting patiently for them to forget the motion to reconsider and accidentally let the bill session sine die. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
springfield shooter Posted January 10, 2023 at 10:52 PM Share Posted January 10, 2023 at 10:52 PM The more quickly the bill is signed, the more quickly the 2A side sues. As for "them" knowing it's going down: of course they do, that's not the point. "They" get to both virtue signal, and please their gun-grabbing money stream. And JB gets to run for the Democrat nomination for president as a warrior against the evil gun nuts who actually both believe in, and revere, the Constitution of the United States. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caveman2021 Posted January 10, 2023 at 10:56 PM Share Posted January 10, 2023 at 10:56 PM Does this mean I have to take the flashlight and red dot off my g19 just to carry? Just to have laymen terms. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IH8IL Posted January 10, 2023 at 11:14 PM Share Posted January 10, 2023 at 11:14 PM So that means preztel is going to get his security detail 10 rd mags right. I mean they’re not at war. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monty80 Posted January 10, 2023 at 11:26 PM Share Posted January 10, 2023 at 11:26 PM My XM16e1 clone is a replica of an antique so I guess that one is good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monty80 Posted January 10, 2023 at 11:29 PM Share Posted January 10, 2023 at 11:29 PM (edited) On 1/10/2023 at 2:11 PM, hetzen said: The sooner this **** passes and gets kicked out in court, the sooner the cook co AWB falls and I can finally get my fcking SBR. I'm a mix of resigned that this is going to happen, and looking forward to it getting struck down. It sounds like they know it won't pass court scrutiny. This feels a LOT like 2016, when they knew that AWB wouldn't get signed when Rauner was around right before the election and it was all a political stunt. Depending on where in Crook you are, it might not be hard. As long as where you live is home rule. Fill out the form 1 and send in prints. The worst the ATF can do is say no. Edited January 10, 2023 at 11:29 PM by Monty80 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ragsbo Posted January 10, 2023 at 11:34 PM Share Posted January 10, 2023 at 11:34 PM On 1/10/2023 at 4:52 PM, springfield shooter said: The more quickly the bill is signed, the more quickly the 2A side sues. As for "them" knowing it's going down: of course they do, that's not the point. "They" get to both virtue signal, and please their gun-grabbing money stream. And JB gets to run for the Democrat nomination for president as a warrior against the evil gun nuts who actually both believe in, and revere, the Constitution of the United States. Jelly brains has ZERO chance of getting any nomination to run for president. One look at him and folks will barf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yurimodin Posted January 10, 2023 at 11:36 PM Share Posted January 10, 2023 at 11:36 PM On 1/10/2023 at 4:12 PM, drusus said: Is it too soon to officially label the Democrat Party the "Communist Democrat Party" or wait for the highly piled steam the Gubbner to ink it? dude, I was doing that back in 07.......get with the times. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hetzen Posted January 10, 2023 at 11:51 PM Share Posted January 10, 2023 at 11:51 PM On 1/10/2023 at 5:29 PM, Monty80 said: Depending on where in Crook you are, it might not be hard. As long as where you live is home rule. Fill out the form 1 and send in prints. The worst the ATF can do is say no. I am in home rule and they said no. They reached out to IL AG to confirm and after 6 months of waiting (when all other efiles are 30 days or less), I told them to cancel it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hetzen Posted January 10, 2023 at 11:52 PM Share Posted January 10, 2023 at 11:52 PM On 1/10/2023 at 4:52 PM, springfield shooter said: The more quickly the bill is signed, the more quickly the 2A side sues. As for "them" knowing it's going down: of course they do, that's not the point. "They" get to both virtue signal, and please their gun-grabbing money stream. And JB gets to run for the Democrat nomination for president as a warrior against the evil gun nuts who actually both believe in, and revere, the Constitution of the United States. I think it's a 2 for 1. On top of the brownie points for the AWB, he then gets to say "See, SCOTUS is crooked/extreme/etc and you need to vote me in". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CPD#127 Posted January 10, 2023 at 11:58 PM Share Posted January 10, 2023 at 11:58 PM Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hetzen Posted January 11, 2023 at 12:02 AM Share Posted January 11, 2023 at 12:02 AM On 1/10/2023 at 5:58 PM, CPD#127 said: Disgusting Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ILgunguy Posted January 11, 2023 at 12:03 AM Share Posted January 11, 2023 at 12:03 AM (edited) Flipping through the news ABC7 is showing a podium already set up for JB to sign the bill tonight. And they just reported the reason for signing it so fast is to specifically stop a run on weapons and mags. Edited January 11, 2023 at 12:05 AM by ILgunguy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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