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My suggestions are, in no particular order: Shield EZ 9mm, easy to load mags, easy to rack slide, shoots soft, holds 8 rounds Springfield XDM Elite Compact 9mm, best trigger I own, shoots soft, holds 14 rounds Ruger SP101 9mm revolver, great gun with a smooth trigger, easy to shoot, hold 5 rounds Charter Arms Pitbull 9mm revolver(I think also available in 380), holds 5 rounds and no need for moon clips Ruger LCP II 22lr, no recoil, fits in your pocket, very reliable, holds 10 rounds but 4 round mag extensions are available (great back up gun) I taught my former assistant to shoot the Shield EZ 9mm and she is about your age and has issues with arthritis and her hands are tiny. She shot the EZ 9mm like she was born with it in her hand. The Springfield XDM Elite Compact 9mm is the 9mm pistol that I can shoot the best, including full sized and carry sized guns and it is still legal in Illinois. Good luck in your search and I hope the arthritis improves soon.

So it's still egregious and violates your 2nd Amendment and 5th Amendment rights, but you are not held to say that you are registering your guns voluntarily. However, if you really must, you could register some guns or attachments voluntarily, if you were not already required to do so. eg, your derringer. Item 'D ) : It's an extra serving of stupid on top of authoritarianism. The way I read this you are being asked to affirm that you are filing an endorsement affidavit voluntarily. C or D or C and D doesn't make any difference, most people are going to be affirming A and D. If you don't agree to that language then the registration system will not let you complete the affidavit. You must affirm that you are filling voluntarily. Am I missing something? They have built a Catch 22 into the process and I don't think it is accidental. Like I said in my first post, it's all academic to me since I don't own any of their banned items. Good luck to you if you do. I was just trying to point out the method to their madness.

I don't have any firearms that are listed as banned guns or any that have any features that would qualify them for future registration under current law so it is easy for me to say don't register your guns. But, I'm saying don't register your guns. A better solution than registration is relocating your legally purchased guns to another “friendlier” place and wait until this thing gets settled in the courts. The ISP took months to come up with the registration program and the one thing it included that tells you all you need to know is the fact that the process requires you to affirm that you are “voluntarily” registering your guns. They know this law is unconstitutional on it's face and a violation of federal law regarding registration. I believe their lawyers told them that they must get you to agree and swear that you are doing it voluntarily to excuse the State's crime in violating your Second and Fifth Amendment rights. It's a trap. Don't do it. Never give up your rights voluntarily. If they want to know who owns what then they can go through the 4473 records. Registration was done at the time of purchase. Since Mr. Morgan has said that registration is voluntary then you have the option to say no thanks. No thanks Bob, No thanks.

You are right. I went back and reread the ISP "rules" and it looks like you can take the gun to an FFL in Illinois and transfer it out of state, without registering it. When I asked Tim about this I stated that I could be wrong at the time and I am sorry if I added to your stress about this whole mess. The language is very confusing and the average Illinois gun owner is completely unaware of the details of the law. We care about it because we want to remain law-abiding citizens. The criminals will not be registering their guns or giving any of them up. As far as this stupid law goes, just do what feels right to you and don't worry about it. Live your life as your own moral compass guides you. I am sorry for your loss. I lost my wife 2 years ago after a long illness. Please reach out to friends and family and let them know that you need to talk. We can't get through life and loss without friends, family and, in my experience, a deep faith in God. I hope you find peace.

I hope your experience is better than mine. I received my card in the mail last week, 4 days short of six months from filing the application. The message on the website for my application was the same as yours and after 95 days they sent me an email that they could not read my training certificate. I contacted my instructor and he uploaded a fresh digital image and the problem was verified as corrected within 4 hours but they bumped me back to 120 days remaining. It showed active with 26 days left in the second countdown and I got the card in the mail two days later. I don't have any idea why it took so long other than to say that they have there own rules and we are at their mercy. I hope you have better luck than I did.

Tim, I gave the ISP rules a quick read, so I may be wrong, but I thought it said that you cannot sell a banned item until after it had been registered. I think storage out of Illinois is the best route until the courts are finished with the whole mess, if you don't want to register the items. Personally, I think the "voluntary" registration is just that, voluntary. Since you are asked to swear that you are voluntarily registering your firearms then you must not do it if the action is not voluntary. Pretty simple really. My sympathies to the original poster for his personal tragedy. I hope things get better for you.

Link to full read of Judges ruling: https://jonathanturley.org/wp-content/uploads/2023/04/2023-04-28-Order-Granting-MPI.pdf JB got his fat a** kicked. Hooray!

When the senate president said "see you in court", he and the dems already had the legal roadmap drawn and they are following it. None of this is unexpected. In Illinois, everything is corrupted by democratic pols. They are playing for time. If they can consolidate the cases and get in front of an Obama judge then they can get a win and delay the process. They want to delay until after the ISP has the registration scheme set up and they can find out what everybody has in their possession. If you don't register then they can claim you are a felon after Jan 1, 2024. If they can delay the court ruling in our favor they have what they want, which is a big political splash and a reason to take away gun rights from a bunch of non-democrats.Tyrants do not play fair. They think of us as their lowly subjects. Get ready for a long fight and some dark days ahead. Hopefully, the Supreme Court will eventually take them to task and restore our 2nd Amendment rights.

We made it to zerohedge :https://www.zerohedge.com/political/judge-grants-restraining-order-against-illinois-assault-weapon-ban

How could the states attorneys say this BS with a straight face? They have no shame and no sense of what justice means. They hold the people in utter and complete disregard and contempt. How these people sleep at night is beyond me. No concept of a moral compass. This law was passed in an illegal manner and infringes on my rights under the constitution. Period. These lawmakers and attorneys should take a look in the mirror and ask if their kids will be proud of them for what they are doing. Come to think of it, their kids probably have not been taught to tell the difference between right and wrong, just and unjust, good and evil, or what a constitutes a decent human being. Shame of these people. God bless the judges who are brave enough to follow the constitution.

I just read the judge's TRO and he chopped JB's pleadings into little bite-sized pieces and fed them back to him for dinner. God bless this judge. It gives me hope for the future in Illinois.

Well argued and on point. Let's hope the judge is brave enough to do what's right.

Thanks, but I'm just going to keep the mags at 10 rounds to use at the range. It will be easier because after ten rounds I run out of fingers to count with and I don't want to have to take off my shoes at the range.😉

When the 10 round mag limit was being discussed before the law was passed I experimented with using mag blocks in some cheap glock mags. I used some epozy to attach the base plate to the inside plate that locks into the base plate. I let them sit for three days and went back and tried to change them back when they raised the mag limit to 15 rounds. Those mags could not be opened without destroying the mag bottom plate and possibly other parts so I left them limited to 10 rounds capacity. It was a permanent modification. Just make sure that you let the epoxy cure and use some on the outside rim of the bottom base plate so it is apparent that the mag has been modified. Test the mags before you epoxy to verify that you are unable to load more than 15 rounds for a pistol or 10 rounds for a rifle mag. Magblocks sells black epoxy in a small bottle that works well or pick some up at the hardware store. The law does not prohibit you from using your 17 round mags at the range, just make sure they are not loaded and stored in a case during transport.

It's not a safe queen unless you make it one. It's still legal to own the gun and the mags but the 17 round mag can only be used in certain locations. No need to sell the gun or the mags, just follow the law and don't carry the 17 round mag in your gun. It's still useful at home for self-defense needs. The gun is also useful as spare parts for your Glock19. You can still sell the gun with a 10 round mag or you can get a MAGBLOCK for $7 each and convert your 17 round mags to 15 round mags. Retrofit them for 15 rounds and test them at the range and then use them in the way allowed by the law until this law is settled, one way or another. If the law is upheld then epoxy the 15 round mags so they cannot be changed and go about your business. If you really need the money to afford another carry gun then you can sell it to an FFL and be done with it. Just don't expect to get too much money for it. FFLs are going to be struggling so if you have a good FFL that you know and respect then you could work out a deal where you loose a little and he makes a little and maybe he will stay open in the meantime. No rush to do anything right now.

Well that's a stretch, a bit like scratching your left ear with your right hand. I find it interesting that it refers to the age of 16 for disarmament, which implies that 16 was the age of consent to bear arms. I think they may have just shot themselves in the foot. The legal gymnastics the state will do to try and deny it's citizen's their constitutional rights is breathtaking and only shows that they are desperate after recent court rulings. We need to invest in the coming legal battle if we want to retain our 2nd Amendment rights.

I have had the same experience at Bass Pro. They are quick to make the sale but not so quick to release the gun. I think they and most FFLs are just being careful to follow the law and then some so they don't have any problems with the ISP. I figure it's good that they are being careful and an extra 24 hours gives me time to shop for a holster or extra mags. At least there are still a few local stores that actually sell firearms for those that desire to purchase them. I'm happy to wait an extra day and have the store available when I need something in the future. Patience is something that you need if you want to live in this state. This is my first post. I have been reading the site for many years and joined because I am taking the concealed carry class next month. I am thankful for all of you 2nd Amendment defenders. Merry Christmas