AlphaKoncepts aka CGS Posted January 10, 2023 at 08:19 PM Share Posted January 10, 2023 at 08:19 PM Either meier didnt read the bill or is asking questions the bill already answers for purposes of record. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Helpdesk9 Posted January 10, 2023 at 08:19 PM Share Posted January 10, 2023 at 08:19 PM On 1/10/2023 at 2:15 PM, jrkleins said: Perfect example of why we need term limits at the state level, as well as the federal level! What she just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in her rambling, incoherent response was she even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award her no points, and may God have mercy on her soul. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TargetCollector Posted January 10, 2023 at 08:20 PM Share Posted January 10, 2023 at 08:20 PM On 1/10/2023 at 2:00 PM, aerxx said: I love her, she is such a spitfire. Especially admirable since she's unfortunately out of her seat in two days. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dumak_from_arfcom Posted January 10, 2023 at 08:20 PM Share Posted January 10, 2023 at 08:20 PM On 1/10/2023 at 2:17 PM, AlphaKoncepts aka CGS said: Isra prematurely sends a message saying the bill is on the way to the govs deak. While we know that is the outcome, they havent voted yet. I do not believe it would be called for final debate if they didn't have the votes. They have members who are in charge of keeping track of yeas vs nays. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrkleins Posted January 10, 2023 at 08:20 PM Share Posted January 10, 2023 at 08:20 PM On 1/10/2023 at 2:19 PM, Helpdesk9 said: What she just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in her rambling, incoherent response was she even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award her no points, and may God have mercy on her soul. Exactly! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cito Posted January 10, 2023 at 08:21 PM Share Posted January 10, 2023 at 08:21 PM Bravo, Rep. Wilhour… Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cybermgk Posted January 10, 2023 at 08:21 PM Share Posted January 10, 2023 at 08:21 PM OOC, does anyone know. Can this discourse be used in any court cases? Where Senate admitted it won't solve the problem, or here where they admit no penalty for using one in a crime (well extra). All is prima facie evidence they just want to grab guns Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mauserme Posted January 10, 2023 at 08:22 PM Author Share Posted January 10, 2023 at 08:22 PM Like Senator Bailey last night, Representative Wilhour promises noncompliance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NakPPI Posted January 10, 2023 at 08:23 PM Share Posted January 10, 2023 at 08:23 PM (edited) This testimony can be used for legislative intent, in the event there is a question as to what the legislature wanted to do when they passed the legislation. It's largely irrelevant in this case, because there is no historical precedent for any of their garbage. So the Court will never reach the issue of legislative intent. Edited January 10, 2023 at 08:24 PM by NakPPI Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmyers Posted January 10, 2023 at 08:24 PM Share Posted January 10, 2023 at 08:24 PM On 1/10/2023 at 2:21 PM, cybermgk said: OOC, does anyone know. Can this discourse be used in any court cases? Where Senate admitted it won't solve the problem, or here where they admit no penalty for using one in a crime (well extra). All is prima facie evidence they just want to grab guns Legislative intent has been used in past court cases, will it be used in court cases surrounding this topic will depend on the approach of the legal team and the questions that have to be addressed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrTriple Posted January 10, 2023 at 08:24 PM Share Posted January 10, 2023 at 08:24 PM On 1/10/2023 at 2:24 PM, bmyers said: Legislative intent has been used in past court cases, will it be used in court cases surrounding this topic will depend on the approach of the legal team and the questions that have to be addressed. It's still helpful though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Helpdesk9 Posted January 10, 2023 at 08:25 PM Share Posted January 10, 2023 at 08:25 PM Caulkins represents Decatur which reportedly has one of the worst education levels in the state Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dumak_from_arfcom Posted January 10, 2023 at 08:25 PM Share Posted January 10, 2023 at 08:25 PM On 1/10/2023 at 2:21 PM, cybermgk said: OOC, does anyone know. Can this discourse be used in any court cases? Where Senate admitted it won't solve the problem, or here where they admit no penalty for using one in a crime (well extra). All is prima facie evidence they just want to grab guns What Harmon said last night could be used against the law in a brief. Especially the part where he said the SCOTUS was muddled and missed a large chunk of the 2nd. I don't think most would use it in oral arguments, but it could be done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mauserme Posted January 10, 2023 at 08:25 PM Author Share Posted January 10, 2023 at 08:25 PM Representative Caulkins urges the body to vote no, to come back next month to do something that will really address the violence problem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NakPPI Posted January 10, 2023 at 08:26 PM Share Posted January 10, 2023 at 08:26 PM Legislative intent has been used, for example, to argue that handgun magazines are preempted via the concealed carry act, even though magazine capacity is not expressly mentioned in the act. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Helpdesk9 Posted January 10, 2023 at 08:27 PM Share Posted January 10, 2023 at 08:27 PM On 1/10/2023 at 2:25 PM, Dumak_from_arfcom said: What Harmon said last night could be used against the law in a brief. Especially the part where he said the SCOTUS was muddled and missed a large chunk of the 2nd. I don't think most would use it in oral arguments, but it could be done. How to piss off SCOTUS in one easy step Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steveTA84 Posted January 10, 2023 at 08:27 PM Share Posted January 10, 2023 at 08:27 PM (edited) On 1/10/2023 at 2:21 PM, cybermgk said: OOC, does anyone know. Can this discourse be used in any court cases? Where Senate admitted it won't solve the problem, or here where they admit no penalty for using one in a crime (well extra). All is prima facie evidence they just want to grab guns On 1/10/2023 at 2:24 PM, bmyers said: Legislative intent has been used in past court cases, will it be used in court cases surrounding this topic will depend on the approach of the legal team and the questions that have to be addressed. “While interest balancing is no longer a valid reason to uphold gun laws, be it known that both the senate and house sponsors of this law admitted it won’t achieve any of their desired goals regarding violence reduction and also expressed disdain for the Supreme Court’s ruling in Bruen, thus purposely undermining the authority of the court for personal agenda needs instead of the law of the land” Edited January 10, 2023 at 08:29 PM by steveTA84 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dumak_from_arfcom Posted January 10, 2023 at 08:29 PM Share Posted January 10, 2023 at 08:29 PM On 1/10/2023 at 2:25 PM, mauserme said: Representative Caulkins urges the body to vote no, to come back next month to do something that will really address the violence problem. Most of the violence is in Chicago. The POC caucus will never support to a bill that throws their voters in jail. That is why there are no penalties in this bill other than for us law abiding folks that just want to be left alone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlphaKoncepts aka CGS Posted January 10, 2023 at 08:29 PM Share Posted January 10, 2023 at 08:29 PM Morgan to close. Vote immenent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mauserme Posted January 10, 2023 at 08:30 PM Author Share Posted January 10, 2023 at 08:30 PM Leader McCombie asks if the sponsor is aware of any shootings that have occurred with a .50 caliber firearm in Illinois, or in the nation. He is not. She tells him that is because there are none. She continues by pointing out that this bill will do nothing the end violence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soundguy Posted January 10, 2023 at 08:30 PM Share Posted January 10, 2023 at 08:30 PM 68-41 passed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davel501 Posted January 10, 2023 at 08:30 PM Share Posted January 10, 2023 at 08:30 PM On 1/10/2023 at 1:23 PM, mauserme said: Posting requirements were just waived on HR1043 Support Victims/Gun Violence. It will be heard in the Executive Committee today. It sure would be a shame if someone brought up this stat: Twice as many people died from opioids than gun violence in 2022, Cook County reports (msn.com) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Evil Porkchop Posted January 10, 2023 at 08:30 PM Share Posted January 10, 2023 at 08:30 PM (edited) Sign it Pritzker, let's get to the courts. Edited January 10, 2023 at 08:31 PM by Evil Porkchop Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
burningspear Posted January 10, 2023 at 08:31 PM Share Posted January 10, 2023 at 08:31 PM On 1/10/2023 at 2:25 PM, Helpdesk9 said: Caulkins represents Decatur which reportedly has one of the worst education levels in the state I object. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mauserme Posted January 10, 2023 at 08:31 PM Author Share Posted January 10, 2023 at 08:31 PM On a vote of 68/41/0, the House concurs in Senate Amendments 3, 4, & 5. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedWrangler Posted January 10, 2023 at 08:31 PM Share Posted January 10, 2023 at 08:31 PM BOHICA Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mauserme Posted January 10, 2023 at 08:32 PM Author Share Posted January 10, 2023 at 08:32 PM The House is in recess for caucuses followed by committees. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mab22 Posted January 10, 2023 at 08:32 PM Share Posted January 10, 2023 at 08:32 PM AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAND were all criminals now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scipio24 Posted January 10, 2023 at 08:33 PM Share Posted January 10, 2023 at 08:33 PM On 1/10/2023 at 2:32 PM, mab22 said: AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAND were all criminals now. We have to wait for Jabba to sign it, but shortly 🙂 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BeardswithoutOperators Posted January 10, 2023 at 08:33 PM Share Posted January 10, 2023 at 08:33 PM On 1/10/2023 at 2:32 PM, mab22 said: AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAND were all criminals now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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