Ghost Gun Ban Signed Into Law Today, Illinois

[Louie25]

https://www.ilga.gov/legislation/BillStatus.asp?DocTypeID=HB&DocNum=4383&GAID=16&SessionID=110&LegID=137678

[Louie25]

Crazy how the bill started out as a utilities related bill and was gutted and repacked with the new gun legislation.

[DomG]

No grandfather clause? Ex post facto law and violation of the 5th Amendment. 

[EdDinIL]

On 5/18/2022 at 11:23 AM, Louie25 said:

Crazy how the bill started out as a utilities related bill and was gutted and repacked with the new gun legislation.

 

I'd make the joke "You must be new here", but sadly what you described is how a lot of legislation, especially legislation they want to ram through, gets passed in Illinois.  

 

When the next legislative session gets going, you'll see a lot of posts about shell bills and shenanigans like this.  It's difficult to stay on top of it all. 

[bmyers]

[Molly B.]

Gov. says :

Unserialized firearms created and sold by individuals were involved in over 20,000 suspected crimes last year nationwide

 

Nope, don't think so.  Let the lawsuits begin!

 

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Governor Pritzker Signs Legislation Banning ‘Ghost Guns’ Statewide

Unserialized firearms created and sold by individuals were involved in over 20,000 suspected crimes last year nationwide

Chicago-- Governor JB Pritzker signed HB4383 into law, banning the sale and possession  of so-called ‘ghost guns’ statewide. ‘Ghost guns’ refer to unserialized, privately made firearms that are often sold as a set of parts to be assembled at home, allowing prohibited purchasers to circumvent background checks. Ghost guns cannot be traced by conventional means and can be created on a 3-D printer, leaving no record of their ownership.

“The people creating, selling, and purchasing these firearms know that they’re working to circumvent common-sense gun laws that ensure guns stay out of the hands of traffickers, abusers, and convicted criminals,” said Governor JB Pritzker. “We are seeing these unseralized guns being built in basements by those who should never have had access to such dangerous weapons and then used to commit heinous crimes, and it must be stopped to keep Illinoisans safe.”

Illinois is a trailblazer the fight against ghost guns. President Joe Biden’s Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms, and Explosives has focused on ghost guns since taking office, recognizing the unprecedented threat these unregulated weapons pose. President Biden’s administration has taken similar steps to Illinois on the national level to reign in ghost guns, requiring serialization and reclassifying these build kits as firearms.

Because ghost guns are cheaper and easier to acquire than conventional firearms, they are more accessible to young people. Already in May of 2022, at least two Illinois teenagers were charged with possession of ghost guns, including one case where a loaded ghost gun was brought to a high school. ISP has worked on 28 cases concerning ghost guns in May of 2022 alone. Using the increased expressway cameras installed under Governor Pritzker, State Police recently brought into custody and arrested individuals associated in connection with multiple armed carjackings who used ghost guns to commit these crimes.

HB4383 is another sensible gun safety measure implemented by Governor Pritzker’s administration as part of a holistic, multi-pronged approach to violence prevention. In 2021, Governor Pritzker signed legislation expanding background checks on all gun sales in Illinois and modernizing and strengthening the Firearm Owners Identification Card System. Governor Pritzker’s Reimagine Public Safety Act also established the first ever Office of Firearm Violence Prevention, providing a historic investment in community-based violence prevention for the communities most affected by firearm violence.

“Recent events serve as a tragic reminder of the rising toll of gun violence across this country. We must remain vigilant in our efforts to protect Illinoisans, which is what this new law does,” said Senate President Don Harmon (D-Oak Park). “Those using ghost guns are subverting requirements that help keep the public safe and that responsible, law-abiding gun owners follow. This law closes that loophole and ensures everyone follows the same set of rules. I applaud Leader Collins for her leadership and determination and thank Governor Pritzker for his support and advocacy.”

“Untraceable guns are a rapidly growing threat to our communities and law enforcement,” said House Speaker Emanuel “Chris” Welch. “I’m proud to see Illinois become the first state in the Midwest to ban ghost guns, and to keep these weapons out of the hands of dangerous criminals.”

“Cracking down on unregistered firearms is an essential step to putting an end to the epidemic of gun violence in our state,” said Representative Kambium Buckner (D-Chicago). “Make no mistake, the only people who need their guns to be untraceable are people planning to commit crimes. These ruthless, calculated shootings cannot continue. I thank the Governor for his leadership in the effort to make our communities safer by signing this all-important bill into law."

“With fatal gun tragedy always on our heels in today’s society, it is extremely important –now more than ever –that our state address one of its deadliest public safety concerns,” said State Senator Jacqueline Y. Collins (D-Chicago). “With this law banning ghost guns and recent investments in our communities, Illinois families are one step closer to having safer environments.”

“Working closely with survivors and advocates we were able to pass this life-saving measure during the end of this year’s legislative session,” said Kathleen Sances, President and CEO of G-PAC. “This group effort shows the strength of our organization and the importance of taking urgent, consistent action to reduce gun violence and save lives. Now with Governor Pritzker’s signature today Illinois will become the first state in the Midwest to make ghost guns illegal. Combined with our recent efforts to crack down on unlicensed gun dealers and block illegal gun ownership, Illinois will now have one of the most comprehensive gun violence prevention efforts in the nation. I want to thank our elected leaders, our 200+ coalition partners; national advocates like Brady United, Everytown, Giffords and Moms Demand Action; the grassroots advocates who power this movement; and survivors like Delphine who have experienced tremendous tragedy, yet fight the good fight every single day.”

“The pain of losing my two children never goes away, but it also motivates me to take action to advocate for laws to stop the senseless and preventable gun violence that destroys too many families and communities,” said Delphine Cherry, founder of the TY Foundation (Tender Youth), mother, survivor and advocate. “I am proud to be here today to see Governor Pritzker sign a bill into law that bans ghost guns immediately and it requires existing ones to be serialized and traceable. It breaks my heart to see other mothers go through what I have. I have a message for them: be strong and know that you have an entire city and community of survivor parents behind you.”

“Illinois continues to lead the Midwest in substantive gun violence prevention solutions, this historic law banning ghost guns is just the latest example,” said Brady President Kris Brown. “Ghost guns continue to threaten Illinois families and communities, but today the state will have new tools and recourse to stop the proliferation of these dangerous weapons. The state’s commitment to preventing the gun violence that affects all Illinois residents, and Black and Brown residents especially, is an example for the region and the country. Brady thanks the legislature for prioritizing this important bill and Gov. Pritzker for supporting and signing it into law. It will save lives.”

“Ghost guns present a clear and present danger to national security and public safety,” said Sean Holihan, Giffords State Legislative Director. “These do-it-yourself firearms are increasingly being used to commit violent crimes and, because they are untraceable, they make law enforcement’s job to begin and close an investigation incredibly difficult. Governor Pritzker and leaders in Chicago and Springfield like Speaker Welch, President Harmon, and the Gun Violence Prevention PAC (G-PAC) have shown they aren’t afraid of the gun lobby and are leaders in reducing gun violence.”

“Ghost guns pose an increasingly grave threat to public safety in Illinois and across the country. These untraceable weapons have been sold by profit-hungry companies seeking to evade the most basic gun safety laws, and they are making up a greater and greater share of the illegal gun market,” said David Pucino, Giffords Law Center Deputy Chief Counsel. “We are grateful to Senator Collins and Representative Buckner for championing this critical legislation, and to Governor Pritzker for signing it into law. This bill will help stop the proliferation of ghost guns and make Illinois safer.”

“Ghost guns are one of the fastest-growing public safety concerns facing our state, and the threat they pose requires immediate solutions,” said Maria Pike, a volunteer with the Illinois chapter of Moms Demand Action. “This bill will be instrumental in helping law enforcement keep our communities safe, and today’s signing is a crucial step towards addressing Illinois’ gun violence crisis. Governor Pritzker continues to demonstrate his commitment to public safety, and we’re proud to stand alongside him today as he signs this critical gun safety legislation.”

 

[bmyers]

So is the Governor not sure that the actions taken were a crime ("suspected crimes")? 

 

I guess I can make the statement that I suspect the Governor has a lower IQ than the Dung beetle, but I just suspect that. 

[yurimodin]

.....serial# 1234

"I bought it like that a couple years ago off an individual at a gun show", "sorry I don't remember his name since I don't have to record that".

[2A4Cook]

I'm waiting for an owner to inscribe his own serial number on one and then advertise it for sale.  It would temporarily throw the loons into a panic, before they came to their senses and did whatever the heck they wanted to do, anyway.  Possible way of skirting this unconstitutional scheme.

[Jeffrey]

First S/N should be #FJBLGB

[guzzimike66]

On 5/18/2022 at 1:20 PM, 2A4Cook said:

I'm waiting for an owner to inscribe his own serial number on one and then advertise it for sale.  It would temporarily throw the loons into a panic, before they came to their senses and did whatever the heck they wanted to do, anyway.  Possible way of skirting this unconstitutional scheme.

Or what if someone bought one from another state some guy built and no longer wants. As long as you're not "in the business of building" it's legal to sell self built arms according to ATF and the random serial takes them nowhere.

[guzzimike66]

On 5/18/2022 at 1:54 PM, Jeffrey said:

First S/N should be #FJBLGB

I have a hunch there will be a lot of self serialed builds with something like that. Unless I missed it reading through the legislation, until this morning there was no law against doing your own serial number should you be so inclined. There is nothing I read that addresses that very fact.

[Nanook]

SN: Jabba450

 

Pols quoting 'statistics' always bring to mind the old quote. "Lies, damn lies, and statistics". 

 

If one of them came right out and said "we want to ban all guns" other than Feinstein, it would be the rare occasion of a pol actually speaking the truth. 

 

The other old saying nails it. "You can tell they're lying since their lips are moving." 

 

[steveTA84]

On 5/18/2022 at 11:49 AM, Molly B. said:

Gov. says :

Unserialized firearms created and sold by individuals were involved in over 20,000 suspected crimes last year nationwide

 

Nope, don't think so.  Let the lawsuits begin!

 

 

Plenty of settled case law on this as well showing how unconstitutional this garbage is

[lockman]

When we stop allowing these selected (not elected) criminally corrupt godless commies to dictate to we the people, then we can right things. Until then it will only get worse. What you are seeing is not new, it is an accelerated slide down the one world government rabbit hole. There is a reason Biden, Obama and Bush have talked about a new world order! This is not just about "ghost guns", it is about good vs evil. We are in a war for our freedom from enslavement in the new world order.  We can fund Ukraine for 40 billion but we can't come up with 5B to secure our borders? Come on wake up! 90% of congress and many state legislatures are now part of a global criminal organization. A civil war is what the global powers want, I pray the citizens of this country wake up and resist. We have the numbers, we need to take the country back, preferably without the civil war.  

[techgeek]

I'm confused, So utility companies can't own ghost guns unless they send everyone a certified letter now?

[Lou]

Here’s an concept for you; criminals by definition do not obey the law.  Passing heat another law that criminals will also disobey is an exercise in futility.  
Pass a useless law, get your photo op and move on but don’t pretend you actually addressed a problem. 

[MagSlap]

Such laws are not intended to stop crime.

They are intended to stop YOU....

[spaceman spiff]

On 5/18/2022 at 5:03 PM, lockman said:

When we stop allowing these selected (not elected) criminally corrupt godless commies to dictate to we the people, then we can right things. Until then it will only get worse. What you are seeing is not new, it is an accelerated slide down the one world government rabbit hole. There is a reason Biden, Obama and Bush have talked about a new world order! This is not just about "ghost guns", it is about good vs evil. We are in a war for our freedom from enslavement in the new world order.  We can fund Ukraine for 40 billion but we can't come up with 5B to secure our borders? Come on wake up! 90% of congress and many state legislatures are now part of a global criminal organization. A civil war is what the global powers want, I pray the citizens of this country wake up and resist. We have the numbers, we need to take the country back, preferably without the civil war.  

You are correct. It will take more than guns and votes to fix this though. 

[mab22]

On 5/18/2022 at 11:49 AM, Molly B. said:

Gov. says :

Unserialized firearms created and sold by individuals were involved in over 20,000 suspected crimes last year nationwide

 

Nope, don't think so.  Let the lawsuits begin!

 

 

Need to throw some elbows and knees in that fight.

 

[mab22]

On 5/18/2022 at 11:41 AM, EdDinIL said:

 

I'd make the joke "You must be new here", but sadly what you described is how a lot of legislation, especially legislation they want to ram through, gets passed in Illinois.  

 

When the next legislative session gets going, you'll see a lot of posts about shell bills and shenanigans like this.  It's difficult to stay on top of it all. 

I still recall the first time I witnessed that cowardly Deamonrat move and now I see it all over the place.

Feed the poor turns into mag bans and tax hikes on cable tv subscriptions. Replace the word and with and and another ban on breathing fresh air.

Thats how they hide this crap from the press and the people.

 

[mab22]

On 5/18/2022 at 11:45 PM, mab22 said:

I still recall the first time I witnessed that cowardly Deamonrat move and now I see it all over the place.

Feed the poor turns into mag bans and tax hikes on cable tv subscriptions. Replace the word and with and and another ban on breathing fresh air.

Thats how they hide this crap from the press and the people.

 

Forgot,

But dont mind me, I don’t know what I am talking about and go ahead and keep voting Democrat cause the union told you so. 
Meanwhile they Eviscerate your other rights.

[steveTA84]

What’s he doing there? He’s been associated with more “gun crimes” than this entire site 

[Bubbacs]

I liked the part about the “kids/children”.

Children should not be able to put together an AR style assault rifle like putting together a toy!  What?

[Jeffrey]

On 5/19/2022 at 10:08 AM, Bubbacs said:

I liked the part about the “kids/children”.

Children should not be able to put together an AR style assault rifle like putting together a toy!  What?

If my two younger kids were allowed, they'd give them the finger.  Having little ones around while putting together a receiver is almost mandatory.  Their eyes are way better than mine to find that flung spring.

[rjgogo]

Does this law carve out anything for guns that were mass produced but without a serial number.  I have a couple that do not have a serial number.  One is a 22 rifle that was my grand father's. The other is a Ross from 1905 but there might be one on that one but pretty sure it is untraceable, i don't even know where it came from other than pretty sure it was used in WWI.  

[Bubbacs]

On 5/18/2022 at 11:43 AM, bmyers said:

Link to get this patch? If available!

[bmyers]

https://patriotpatch.co/products/ghost-gun-patch

 

They have a couple different designs

[THE KING]

On 5/19/2022 at 10:08 AM, Bubbacs said:

I liked the part about the “kids/children”.

Children should not be able to put together an AR style assault rifle like putting together a toy!  What?

Yeah, I saw that too. What an idiot. Unfortunately there are some who will believe him. 🙄

[brianj - now in Kansas]

Another thing that was a load of hooey: I know someone who built one and showed me how much everything cost.  He probably paid at least $200 more for his P80 than the equivalent Glock would have cost.

 

So nope.  Not cheaper.