guzzimike66

You're assuming all 80 holders know the Illinois law - based on what I''ve seen on FB groups a surprising number don't - and won't violate it. If there is no serial there's no paper trail, and what stops someone moving all their unfinished 80s to a free state and selling them from there? If I have a cottage in Wisconsin and sell 80s from there is that a violation of Illinois law? What if I had 80s shipped there to begin with even though I'm an Illinois resident and then sold off whatever I didn't complete? Not trying to challenge anyone but the reality is that the PMF serialization BS at both the state & Fed level won't do a darn thing. What if you lived in Wisconsin, built an 80 there and for whatever reason serialized it for your own purposes and then moved to Illinois in the fall. Is the now Illinois resident supposed to take it and get reserialized? If so, on things like the P80 Glock clones there is only so much room on the marking plate that can't be removed without destroying the frame. California has it's own 80 marking requirements that don't align with what Illinois requires... is that 80 build in violation? And on and on....

The irony though is that person to person transactions still don't have to go through FFL til 2023 or 2024 (I forget which). So my unserialized 80, finished or not, could be sold to someone else with a simple FOID check and other than that no one is the wiser. Conceivably an unserialized yet complete lower could go through multiple hands before it ever sees a FFL.

I have a hunch there will be a lot of self serialed builds with something like that. Unless I missed it reading through the legislation, until this morning there was no law against doing your own serial number should you be so inclined. There is nothing I read that addresses that very fact.

Or what if someone bought one from another state some guy built and no longer wants. As long as you're not "in the business of building" it's legal to sell self built arms according to ATF and the random serial takes them nowhere.

And yet they continue to ignore the fact that these individuals caught with them either have no FOID and/or are felons and in both cases can't have them legally in either case. But apparently little 15 year old Johnny with a "ghost gun" and a police record is the victim and would surely be helping old ladies across the street instead if they didn't exist.

Let the lawsuits begin... https://wgntv.com/news/wgn-news-now/new-illinois-law-restricting-ghost-guns-to-be-signed/

FYI.... even though HB4383 has not been signed into law yet by Gov Pritzker, companies are already restricting shipments of 80% lowers and jigs (although ironically not jig parts) to Illinois. 5D Tactical and 80% Arms are two that I am aware of. I reached out to them but have not heard back yet. MW

No surprise they passed it through.

Opponents are currently almost 10:1 against - 487 to 51

Do we know the password for the Blue Room stream? The audio on the ILGA page is not good.

Senate audio now playing

Done & I'm tuned into the Senate room 212 audio but not hearing anything.

It's fun to mess with their heads when you point out that one can build a shotgun with a nail, an end cap, a few lengths of black pipe and a 2x4 cut to something looking like a stock. All for maybe 10-15 bucks.

Saw a guy on Reddit who tweaked his Ender and had amazing results using CarbonX ezPC+CF from 3DX Tech to the point prints look like they are injection molded. He upgraded to a 315C rated temp sensor, 250W Bed heater, High Temp Heater Cartridge & all metal hotend. Then he runs it inside a Creality enclosure thing.

I would think the typical arrestee isn't building them... most of those guys just don't seem very smart or detail oriented. I imagine there are "builders" slapping them together in the shadows and charging crazy money.