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davel501 Member

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On 1/25/2025 at 7:42 AM, Molly B. said:

The court must be waiting for our case which has much more expansive restrictions and bans.

 

Right at the time that it feels like our case is paused indefinitely.

 

 

 

Flynn Member

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On 1/25/2025 at 7:42 AM, Molly B. said:

The court must be waiting for our case which has much more expansive restrictions and bans.

 

The Illinois case is more expansive, but if they ruled on this case they could word it in a way to cover the Illinois ban as well, and then just vacate and remand the Illinois case when it's appealed based on this prior ruling if the courts don't get it.  Kicking the can just drags things out and denies rights for longer and I can't agree with them doing that for civil rights...

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Since the Illinois case already has a ruling of Unconstitutional on it perhaps the best way to get to it quickly would be for USSC to issue an interlocutory stay against any form of enforcement until such time as that ruling is overturned or all appeals are exhausted.

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On 1/25/2025 at 4:46 PM, Tip said:

Since the Illinois case already has a ruling of Unconstitutional on it perhaps the best way to get to it quickly would be for USSC to issue an interlocutory stay against any form of enforcement until such time as that ruling is overturned or all appeals are exhausted.

That would definitely get the state moving! Why they don't is beyond me

 

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On 1/25/2025 at 7:42 AM, Molly B. said:

The court must be waiting for our case which has much more expansive restrictions and bans.

And which has a fuller record, and which has a blockbuster opinion in the district court, and which has the potential for the seventh circuit to say some really stupid things in the next round.

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On 1/26/2025 at 10:12 AM, TRussell said:

I don't know about the others commenting here but I will be 66 in about 8 weeks. I would really like to see this come to a resolution while I still have some years to enjoy it. 

If you want to have a TRUE 2A experience, you NEED to move out. Getting Title I rights back, everything we had prior to PICA, is only 1/2 of our 2A Rights. What about suppressors? SBRs without having a C&R License? SBSs? Machineguns? You might never experience that in your lifetime. This is my hashtag #MOVEOUTOFILB4THANKSGIVING2025

TRussell Member

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On 1/26/2025 at 11:12 AM, ealcala31 said:

If you want to have a TRUE 2A experience, you NEED to move out. Getting Title I rights back, everything we had prior to PICA, is only 1/2 of our 2A Rights. What about suppressors? SBRs without having a C&R License? SBSs? Machineguns? You might never experience that in your lifetime. This is my hashtag #MOVEOUTOFILB4THANKSGIVING2025

I would love nothing more then to leave Illinois. I have lived here my entire life. Have always wanted to be in Tennessee. Family is a strong draw and keeps me here. 

You mentioned suppressors. I would really like to see those allowed.

mab22 Member

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On 1/26/2025 at 11:12 AM, ealcala31 said:

If you want to have a TRUE 2A experience, you NEED to move out. Getting Title I rights back, everything we had prior to PICA, is only 1/2 of our 2A Rights. What about suppressors? SBRs without having a C&R License? SBSs? Machineguns? You might never experience that in your lifetime. This is my hashtag #MOVEOUTOFILB4THANKSGIVING2025

What's special about Thanksgiving 2025?

 

yurimodin Member

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On 1/25/2025 at 5:05 PM, djmarkla said:

I wonder if there is an actual majority of justices that believe the second amendment is a civil right ,not to be infringed.

I don't think they are leaving that to any doubt at this point. The MD case is basically a decade old and they are pretty much letting the lower courts run roughshod over their previous rulings. JMHO but I think they are too comfortable, sounds like they need a pay cut so they can relate with the rest of us.

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On 1/27/2025 at 11:52 AM, John Q Public said:

So they have kicked it down the road for a year, at best?

 

Well I kind of predicted this was going to happen in a couple threads.  IMO, the last thing the court wants is to rule on Snope, and then 9 months later, here comes the IL case.  Yeah, they could rule on Snope and remand PICA back to the 7th. Then the 7th will send it back down to McGlynn. Then the cycle will repeat just like the other cases and be back in front of SCOTUS - again. 

 

PICA is the big fat tuna. It has everything in it. I think they want that case. One case to rule them all.   

 

EDIT, ADDED: I don't want this to happen. It is just what I believed was going to happen. 

 

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ealcala31 Member

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On 1/27/2025 at 10:54 AM, mab22 said:

What's special about Thanksgiving 2025?

 

Nothing. Had to pick a date that gave me a reasonable amount of time to sell & find a new house. I guess I could have chose Christmas, New Years, my bday jan12, etc.

springfield shooter Member

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On 1/27/2025 at 12:32 PM, Dumak_from_arfcom said:

 

Well I kind of predicted this was going to happen in a couple threads.  IMO, the last thing the court wants is to rule on Snope, and then 9 months later, here comes the IL case.  Yeah, they could rule on Snope and remand PICA back to the 7th. Then the 7th will send it back down to McGlynn. Then the cycle will repeat just like the other cases and be back in front of SCOTUS - again. 

 

PICA is the big fat tuna. It has everything in it. I think they want that case. One case to rule them all.   

 

EDIT, ADDED: I don't want this to happen. It is just what I believed was going to happen. 

 

 

I see the logic in what you are saying. As admittedly a non-expert, my fear is that we should be glad if PICA makes it to the high court in the time frame you mention.

Flynn Member

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On 1/27/2025 at 3:24 PM, springfield shooter said:

 

I see the logic in what you are saying. As admittedly a non-expert, my fear is that we should be glad if PICA makes it to the high court in the time frame you mention.

 

Truth!  I suspect the anti-gun appeals courts are likely going to slow-roll any gun cases now!  PICA could be stalled for years for all we know!

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On 3/17/2025 at 11:02 AM, TRussell said:

Kicking the can down......

 

You have to look at more than one dimension. Colorado is trying to ban semi-autos, or have permit to purchase

semi-autos. There is also PICA. I think Smith and Wesson v. Mexico is also something that moves this case 

potentially to the fall, though they could still hear it. 

ealcala31 Member

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On 3/17/2025 at 2:37 PM, crufflesmuth said:

 

You have to look at more than one dimension. Colorado is trying to ban semi-autos, or have permit to purchase

semi-autos. There is also PICA. I think Smith and Wesson v. Mexico is also something that moves this case 

potentially to the fall, though they could still hear it. 

I wish I could agree with you, but he's right. SCJ Kavanaugh said that the Courts are still trying to understand and apply the new legal standards. So, SCOTUS needs to grant cert in some of these semi-auto bans and clarify it for the entire United States and territories. The longer they take, the longer our constitutional rights keep being violated. At bare minimum, at least take the Ocean State Tactical case and wipe out magazine bans. Let the opinion be a warning about semi-auto bans, and if the states don't fix stupid, SCOTUS will.

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