Snope v Brown fka Bianchi v Frosh - MD AWB

[TRussell]

On 5/19/2025 at 9:19 AM, Billy Bob said:

SCOTUS released an orders list today, and neither this case nor the Ocean State Tactical case was on it. I'm shocked, shocked I tell you.

Gets old doesn't it!

[Upholder]

Docket update - relisted for conference on 5/29/25 along with Ocean State Tactical v Rhode Island.

[EdDinIL]

Let's suppose this case doesn't get granted or denied by the end of the term in June.  There's no sine die or some other form of non-denial denial for cert petitions, right?

[Euler]

The Supreme Court typically issues a bulk denial for all the petitions it hasn't granted by the end of the term.

[gunuser17]

Petitions that are not decided by the end of the term can still be carried over to the next term.  There is no automatic denial of pending petitions at the end of the term.  Usually several hundred petitions are considered at the first meeting in October and this includes petitions carried over and those filed in July - September that are ready for consderation.

[EdDinIL]

On 5/28/2025 at 5:53 PM, Euler said:

The Supreme Court typically issues a bulk denial for all the petitions it hasn't granted by the end of the term.

SCOTUS would never do that with Snope, right?

[Upholder]

Denied.

 

 

[Upholder]

 

[lilguy]

https://www.wbaltv.com/article/us-supreme-court-declines-challenge-maryland-assault-weapons-ban/64944887#:~:text=A split Supreme Court declined,the case%2C as is typical.

 

 

Well, 🖕us.

[springfield shooter]

On 6/2/2025 at 8:33 AM, Upholder said:

Denied.

 

 

 

"Opinions from other Courts of Appeals should assist this Court’s ultimate decisionmaking on the AR–15 issue. Additional petitions for certiorari will likely be before this Court shortly and, in my view, this Court should and presumably will address the AR–15 issue soon, in the next Term or two."

 

It sounds like Kavanaugh wants to rule for us (or why comment?), but can't quite do it yet. Haven't the 1st and 4th Circuits already refused to rule according to SCOTUS precedent? It would seem that would "assist" the Court sufficiently. 

 

Here's the the SCOTUS site's link to the order. Scroll down to page 18 to start reading. Not surprisingly, Justice Thomas had something to say as well.

 

https://www.supremecourt.gov/orders/courtorders/060225zor_4f15.pdf

[EdDinIL]

Only two justices (Alito, Gorsuch) would have granted cert.  I know you need four, and the fact that they didn't even have three is incredible.  I almost wonder if "opinions from other Courts of Appeal" means they really are waiting for a circuit split that will never happen.  How hard is it to say "semi-automatic rifles are common arms"?

 

Edit - nevermind, reading more of Justice Kavanaugh's statement, it looks like they want some or all of the lower courts to finish their proceedings first.  So, it's come down to a battle of which Court of Appeals can be the slowest.  Great.

[Upholder]

Thomas issued a separate dissent to the denial as well.

[Dumak_from_arfcom]

On 6/2/2025 at 9:34 AM, springfield shooter said:

 

"Opinions from other Courts of Appeals should assist this Court’s ultimate decisionmaking on the AR–15 issue. Additional petitions for certiorari will likely be before this Court shortly and, in my view, this Court should and presumably will address the AR–15 issue soon, in the next Term or two."

 

 

 

^^^  I'll say it again.  They want our case.   

 

We have the big tuna.  PICA has everything in it.   

 

The last thing this Roberts court wants to do is rule on Snope and then 8 months later here comes PICA.  There is no way the 7CA will rule for us - even if Snope won.  7CA would see us as different and come up with some other nonsense.  

 

 

 

[Molly B.]

I agree, I believe they want Illinois. 

[springfield shooter]

On 6/2/2025 at 12:07 PM, Molly B. said:

I agree, I believe that want Illinois. 

 

Which leads to the natural question: how long will the 7th Circuit sit on this...once it's past the district level? Which will be....when?

[Dumak_from_arfcom]

On 6/2/2025 at 12:10 PM, springfield shooter said:

 

Which leads to the natural question: how long will the 7th Circuit sit on this...once it's past the district level? Which will be....when?

 

It will be up to our side to hold the 7's butt to the fire and make sure they move this along quickly.   

 

IIRC, it was Justice Thomas who stated he wanted to see it progress. 

[Plinkermostly]

so much for infringe

[Bubbacs]

When SCOTUS imo isn't going to be on the side of the 2nd anymore based on interpretation of the written constitution then we are doomed.  There is NOT a single person (Trump) nor any court willing to piss off the money funneling of George Soros and his merry backers.  Sitting and waiting thinking that SCOTUS will uphold the written laws is now a joke.  And when we say that "our side will have to hold the fire to anyone" we don't have a side nor any money to support a fight.  The battle cry has and will always be "let it run its course through the courts with the courts playing a very well played game of tennis as to not rumble the robes!

[Upholder]

On 6/2/2025 at 12:10 PM, springfield shooter said:

Which leads to the natural question: how long will the 7th Circuit sit on this...once it's past the district level? Which will be....when?

 

Barnett is a completed case at the district level.  That happened last fall.

 

I set the over/under on 7th sitting on it at 2 years (with the clock starting when they stayed the decision out of the Southern District of Illinois last fall).

 

Who wants the under?

[stockboyy]

 I think the SCOTUS may Hope to get 
 the Illinois / 7th Circuit - Circus Ruling.

[EdDinIL]

Legally speaking, is there anything that can be done, either from above or below, that would force the 7th Circuit to being the case to a conclusion?  Justice Thomas can say he wants it to be speedy, but as the saying goes, wish in one hand...

[yurimodin]

On 6/2/2025 at 1:49 PM, EdDinIL said:

Legally speaking, is there anything that can be done, either from above or below, that would force the 7th Circuit to being the case to a conclusion?  Justice Thomas can say he wants it to be speedy, but as the saying goes, wish in one hand...

yeah, just don't get caught exercising your God created and Constitutionally affirmed rights.

[Upholder]

The only people that the 7th circuit have to obey are SCOTUS.  In theory, SCOTUS could order that they be finished by a particular date (very unusual and they would very much try to avoid "messing with the authority of the 7th circuit to manage their own docket") or simply take the case from them preemptively (which circuits have done to panels and caused much chaos such as Duncan when the 4th En Banc took it from the panel before they had released a decision).  I cannot even imagine that SCOTUS would take such a case from the district court in such a manner.

 

Motions can be made, but if the court is willing to blatantly ignore SCOTUS, I wouldn't hold my breath that such a motion would be taken seriously by the 7th circuit.

[Vodoun da Vinci]

All my banned stuff from Illinois is at my GF's place in Iowa, right across the river. It's high time I follow it and move out of Illinois. Born here and been here most of my Life but I firmly believe we will not get our banned semi autos back in this State. If we do, it will be years more down the road. Lost Faith and Hope, folks. 

 

VooDoo

[BeardswithoutOperators]

On 6/2/2025 at 9:27 AM, lilguy said:

https://www.wbaltv.com/article/us-supreme-court-declines-challenge-maryland-assault-weapons-ban/64944887#:~:text=A split Supreme Court declined,the case%2C as is typical.

 

 

Well, 🖕us.

Expected to hear it in the next term or two. I believe that starts in October so maybe we have a date to look forward to.

[JTHunter]

On 6/2/2025 at 4:22 PM, BeardswithoutOperators said:

Expected to hear it in the next term or two. I believe that starts in October so maybe we have a date to look forward to.

 

What is the likelihood of the make-up of the court changing in that time frame?   The more I see of Kavanaugh's "opinions", the less I think of him. 🤮

[springfield shooter]

On 6/2/2025 at 1:01 PM, Upholder said:

 

Barnett is a completed case at the district level.  That happened last fall.

 

I set the over/under on 7th sitting on it at 2 years (with the clock starting when they stayed the decision out of the Southern District of Illinois last fall).

 

Who wants the under?

 

Isn't there another case, perhaps in the Northern District of IL? With a less than 2A friendly judge?

[Upholder]

Bevis is in the Northern District it is not done at the District Court yet as they are still in the motions/discovery phase.

 

Viramontes v. Cook County is also from the Northern District and had oral arguments heard by a 7th Circuit panel Nov 12, 2024.  I'm not holding my breath waiting for the opinion to come anytime soon, but it is further along than the Barnett case. which has not yet had oral arguments heard.

[springfield shooter]

On 6/2/2025 at 11:16 PM, Upholder said:

Bevis is in the Northern District it is not done at the District Court yet as they are still in the motions/discovery phase.

 

Viramontes v. Cook County is also from the Northern District and had oral arguments heard by a 7th Circuit panel Nov 12, 2024.  I'm not holding my breath waiting for the opinion to come anytime soon, but it is further along than the Barnett case. which has not yet had oral arguments heard.

 

Thanks. If SCOTUS is waiting for the 7th Circuit to give them something to work with, it might be a long wait.

[2A4Cook]

On 6/3/2025 at 6:45 AM, springfield shooter said:

 

Thanks. If SCOTUS is waiting for the 7th Circuit to give them something to work with, it might be a long wait.

Easterschnook the Great will see to that, along with his Commie grabber co-panelists.  Funny how all these cases magically get assigned to him, despite the allegedly "random" assignment process.  This state is corrupt to its core.