John Q Public

The thing is, "We the People," need to support the Constitution, and courts that follow it. If not it's all for nothing. The SC has no way to enforce it's rulings, hence the efforts will continue to try to diminish, and undermine legitimacy of the court, so they may be labeled, ignored, and replaced. All the witness slips, hand wringing, and forum posts, will change nothing. (The irony hasn't escaped me.) It's time to take all peaceable action possible; Million Person March, for the Constitution and the courts that support it, and even larger ones for those who would subvert, suspend, or deny those rights, for which so many, paid so high. God Bless! JQ

Thing is Lou, even with moving them out of state, if they did a search, and found some screw, or washer that is the same, or could be used in, you could still be charged. The bottom line is anyone with a FOID they decide to go after, has anything, machine screw, wood, plastic, or whatever, the case could be made in violation. There is no way to comply with this law. Do I think they might go house to house? No, but if they have a reason, whatever it might be, the way the law is written you can not comply with the parts and pieces part. The law is FUBAR

RIP Senator. JQ

Don't hold your breath Dave....

Yes, you might get a standard denial, but in the end you are past five years, and if a doc signs off on you, you will prevail. Talk to Val and do some searches, this has been asked and answered. You may even be able to do all you need before you apply then get with the ISP and submit it with your app to streamline the process. Good luck JQ

Looks like she revised the order after the TRO to include parks and playgrounds only.

Thank you.2.71

Perhaps an explanation of all the levels would be helpful.... I know it would help in my edification. If someone understands them all, perhaps they could be broken down and explained? Thanks JD

The voting machines have a code as well. :O

Need more zeros to make it matter.

It's moronic to have to submit a 3hr renewal as an instructor, who is, by definition, exempt from training. I can also confirm that if you check the box for, "Instructor" there is not an option to upload a cert, but they have it right, you should not have to do so anyway.

https://le.nra.org/understanding-leosa/

That was the point of the GCA and FOID.

This before the new law: Persons buying a firearm from a Federal Firearms License (FFL) are not covered by this law, as the records are generated under federal law. Persons buying or selling a firearm to family members are exempt under the law. Family members are identified as, husband, wife, son, daughter, stepson, stepdaughter, father, mother, stepfather, stepmother, brother, sister, nephew, niece, uncle, aunt, grandfather, grandmother, grandson, granddaughter, father-in-law, mother-in-law, son-in-law and daughter-in-law. and some from the new: (430 ILCS 65/3) (a-10) Notwithstanding transfers as a bona fide gift to immediate family members, any person who is not a federally licensed firearm dealer and who desires to transfer or sell a firearm or firearms to any person who is not a federally licensed firearm dealer shall, before selling or transferring the firearms, contact a federal firearm license dealer to conduct the transfer or the Illinois State Police with the transferee's or purchaser's Firearm Owner's Identification Card number to determine the validity of the transferee's or purchaser's Firearm Owner's Identification Card under State and federal law including the National Instant Criminal Background Check System. This subsection shall not be effective until July 1, 2023. Until that date the transferor shall contact the Illinois State Police with the transferee's or purchaser's Firearm Owner's Identification Card number to determine the validity of the card As to MSRs.... ?

With a Tan card, you will be able to enter places you would not be able otherwise,(on the clock) but not all and it would depend on several factors. With a CCL there is a bit in the law saying, for those you have a legal duty to protect. No quotes because I'm pulling from mem. Let's say you had the IDPR card for work and you church wanted to hire security to protect the flock. Do you need a tan or IDPR armed security card for that? Hmmm. I don't think this is well defined and my initial thought is no. The church has given you permission to carry on their property, so it's not a prohibited place as long as it's not posted. They contracted you to protect, so it could be said that I had a legal duty to protect, which does fall under the CCL law, at least as a lay person first thoughts. I'm not even sure you would need the IDPR work permit. One person makes a contract with her neighbor to house-sit while they are on vacation. They sign a contract with permission, for you, to have firearms on the property. Now, this doesn't mean the Il CCL rules of force are suspended, or give you any police powers, but does give you the right to be there. If my stream of thought is working... then you could protect the property, but it would be held to the same, perhaps, not as solid, rights as the homeowner. In other words, you could be lawful using a firearm, but only if it was to defend a life against some others' use of force that was immediate or otherwise unavoidable. One could say, this was/is your, "temporary residence." As part of a, "congregational security force," as long as you have permission and put it in writing, talk to lawyers to suss it all out, I see no reason one would need a tan card, or DPR work card in either of these situations. Now, if you were going to perform security functions in a I-CCL prohibited place, you would be unlawful the moment you entered. You may, or may not be able to enter as an employee off a PD agency, depending on the place/jurisdiction. I'll stop here as this was free writing after reading the OP post. JQ

The lowest bell and whistles with the same coverage as their top tier is $300 for the year. I didn't see that recoup cost if convicted in their spiel. That's a big issue as far as I'm concerned.

Found this out there in the void. Have a look

https://www.foxnews.com/us/family-forced-pay-ship-body-marine-killed-after-pentagon-policy-change-egregious-injustice JQ

Did you login to FOID side or CCL side when you tried to renew?

As I said above... here we go; https://www.foxnews.com/media/professors-urge-biden-defy-mistaken-rulings-maga-supreme-court-justices

For some reason, the first instructors don't need to self certify by sending a cert, it's not required. I guess after some date that was changed, but I don't know when or why.

The way I hear it is the very first don't need to do so, but newer ones do.

To be 100% clear, I advocate for peaceful means ONLY!

I think the SC is fast becoming moot. They are going to slow walk this thing and if the SC does rule, they will just write another UnCon slightly less bold and pass that, and on it will go until they change the face of the court one way or another. I wish I didn't think that, but that's where we are unless some major changes happen. I hope I am in error.\ JQ

Tip is correct, once the 16hr was used, it's done. There are exceptions to use it for the training requirements for other states CC, but as for the ISP, no longer needed.