Dumak_from_arfcom Posted March 11, 2024 at 07:42 PM Share Posted March 11, 2024 at 07:42 PM You had to know they weren't going to stop with PICA. They want guns gone or far more expensive and time consuming than the plebs can afford. Sinister intentions all of it. The mistake was not going on offense the second we got the Bruen decision. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skinnyb82 Posted March 17, 2024 at 12:50 AM Share Posted March 17, 2024 at 12:50 AM I'm just gonna say it's time to end absolute legislative immunity and allow elected officials to be held personally accountable when the intent of the legislation is to infringe on your civil liberties. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crufflesmuth Posted March 17, 2024 at 01:24 AM Share Posted March 17, 2024 at 01:24 AM There are now efforts by "anti violence" representatives to dilute or entirely rewrite the FCCL altogether. That starts with this bill (3239) and similar companion legislation which seeks to add "safe" and "secure" storage requirements to a licensee when that licensee leaves their vehicle unattended. The fight is not just about court cases and litigation. We need a culture as well. We need direct and honest responses to Mom's Demand Action and Everytown, which is mostly New England elitism seeping into midwestern culture. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RECarry Posted March 17, 2024 at 11:44 AM Share Posted March 17, 2024 at 11:44 AM "Safe and secure storage" sounds like infrastructure. Surely there will be federal rebates available to those who own or purchase safes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crufflesmuth Posted March 17, 2024 at 03:53 PM Share Posted March 17, 2024 at 03:53 PM (edited) On 3/17/2024 at 6:44 AM, RECarry said: "Safe and secure storage" sounds like infrastructure. Surely there will be federal rebates available to those who own or purchase safes. That is companion legislation to this which I am evaluating: HB 5555. This is sponsored by Representative Mary Gill from Beverely. I may do a separate post to keep discussion from not venturing off too much. MDA is aiming on watering down FCCL. Full stop. 3239 is the first step. The second step is determining which containers in a vehicle are not "appropriate". They are aiming at getting rid of the "safe" zone provision requiring people to have trigger locks or similar devices. They are taking the complex calculus of PICA and are now going to attempt doing that amending FCCL to make compliance as complicated as possible. At first glance, this seems reasonable. You are leaving your vehicle unattended. Storing firearms. But when you weigh everyday carriage of firearms and the obvious penalties of exposing firearms to continually be in compliance with FCCL this is an attempt at destroying the broad protections of FCCL and the "safe" zone exemption. They do not define what constitutes an "unattended" vehicle. You could not comply with this legislation because the glove box or center console have now been defined as not proper. Which means a person could face criminal sanctions even with a locking or similar device. So taking your holstered weapon and putting it in the center console which locks? too bad - you will now face a Class A Misdemeanor, the same as a DUI if you try that, even if you can lock either the center console or glove box. Even if you carry a firearm on your person you could still face criminal sanction, because you will have no 'secure' place to store the weapon out of site because you first have to expose the firearm (unholster) to put it into their approved 'safe' in a location other than glovebox or center console (trunk). Edited March 17, 2024 at 03:58 PM by crufflesmuth Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mauserme Posted March 17, 2024 at 04:23 PM Share Posted March 17, 2024 at 04:23 PM On 3/17/2024 at 10:53 AM, crufflesmuth said: That is companion legislation to this which I am evaluating: HB 5555. This is sponsored by Representative Mary Gill from Beverely. ... When I think of companion bills, I usually think of bills with identical language filed in the two separate chambers. HB5555 is very different from HB3239. Part of a larger, anti-gun agenda for sure but not really a companion to HB3239, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikew Posted March 17, 2024 at 05:14 PM Share Posted March 17, 2024 at 05:14 PM On 3/17/2024 at 6:44 AM, RECarry said: Surely there will be federal rebates available to those who own or purchase safes. From state legislation? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Q Public Posted March 17, 2024 at 07:10 PM Share Posted March 17, 2024 at 07:10 PM Do these bills have a chance in heck? I sure hope not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mab22 Posted March 18, 2024 at 02:38 AM Share Posted March 18, 2024 at 02:38 AM Quote Bill Title: Amends the Firearm Concealed Carry Act. Provides that if a concealed carry licensee leaves his or her vehicle unattended, he or she shall store the firearm out of plain view in a safe or other secure container which, when locked, is incapable of being opened without the key, keypad, combination, or other unlocking mechanism and is capable of preventing an unauthorized person from obtaining access to and possession of the weapon contained therein and shall be fire, impact, and tamper resistant. There is no way comply with the requirements. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cnwfan3 Posted March 18, 2024 at 03:27 AM Share Posted March 18, 2024 at 03:27 AM On 3/17/2024 at 9:38 PM, mab22 said: Quote Bill Title: Amends the Firearm Concealed Carry Act. Provides that if a concealed carry licensee leaves his or her vehicle unattended, he or she shall store the firearm out of plain view in a safe or other secure container which, when locked, is incapable of being opened without the key, keypad, combination, or other unlocking mechanism and is capable of preventing an unauthorized person from obtaining access to and possession of the weapon contained therein and shall be fire, impact, and tamper resistant. There is no way comply with the requirements. Fire resistant? How in the world do we get a "fire resistant safe" in a car? I'm not even aware of a fire resistant car safe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davel501 Posted March 18, 2024 at 03:43 AM Share Posted March 18, 2024 at 03:43 AM On 3/17/2024 at 10:27 PM, cnwfan3 said: Fire resistant? How in the world do we get a "fire resistant safe" in a car? I'm not even aware of a fire resistant car safe. Aren't all metal containers fire resistant? Well not magnesium, but you get the idea. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cnwfan3 Posted March 18, 2024 at 04:28 AM Share Posted March 18, 2024 at 04:28 AM On 3/17/2024 at 10:43 PM, davel501 said: Aren't all metal containers fire resistant? Well not magnesium, but you get the idea. I'm pretty sure they won't look at it that way. As mab22 pointed out, they are making it impossible to comply with the law. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mab22 Posted March 18, 2024 at 04:39 AM Share Posted March 18, 2024 at 04:39 AM On 3/17/2024 at 11:28 PM, cnwfan3 said: I'm pretty sure they won't look at it that way. As mab22 pointed out, they are making it impossible to comply with the law. I would equate it to only being able to own “plasma rifles, which have a range of 35 watts or less.” I don’t want to give the ID 10 T’s any help, so I won’t point out too much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RECarry Posted March 18, 2024 at 12:10 PM Share Posted March 18, 2024 at 12:10 PM On 3/17/2024 at 12:14 PM, mikew said: From state legislation? I see your point. But to the extent that states benefit from federal infrastructure pork... why shouldn't gun owners insist on their share if required to lay out funds for heavy metal and concrete safes? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SiliconSorcerer Posted March 18, 2024 at 12:40 PM Share Posted March 18, 2024 at 12:40 PM On 3/17/2024 at 10:43 PM, davel501 said: Aren't all metal containers fire resistant? Well not magnesium, but you get the idea. Any container that is nonflammable is considered fire resistant, metal will burn at some point but is clearly fire resistant to all but Illinois Supreme Court Judges. Just keep a sheet of aluminum foil and wrap your firearm in it, aluminum ABSOLUTELY will not burn. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davel501 Posted March 18, 2024 at 12:44 PM Share Posted March 18, 2024 at 12:44 PM On 3/17/2024 at 11:28 PM, cnwfan3 said: I'm pretty sure they won't look at it that way. As mab22 pointed out, they are making it impossible to comply with the law. I'm saying knock off the hyperbole and focus on the real objectionable parts. It's not hard to find a cheap lock box that claims to meet the needs of the law. https://www.amazon.com/Portable-Pistols-Fireproof-Combination-Travel/dp/B09ZH6LWSL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Black Flag Posted March 18, 2024 at 02:26 PM Share Posted March 18, 2024 at 02:26 PM On 3/18/2024 at 7:40 AM, SiliconSorcerer said: aluminum ABSOLUTELY will not burn. Talk to my friend the ball mill. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SiliconSorcerer Posted March 18, 2024 at 03:53 PM Share Posted March 18, 2024 at 03:53 PM On 3/18/2024 at 9:26 AM, Black Flag said: Talk to my friend the ball mill. I didn't say 400 mesh aluminum powder (preferably German Black) wouldn't blow up mixed with proper components but Aluminum will not burn. I owned a Aluminum Foundry for years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yurimodin Posted March 18, 2024 at 04:25 PM Author Share Posted March 18, 2024 at 04:25 PM (edited) SCOTUS needs to hurry up, I am about to go full Ron Swanson....."I do what I want" Edited March 18, 2024 at 04:26 PM by yurimodin Added Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mab22 Posted March 18, 2024 at 04:59 PM Share Posted March 18, 2024 at 04:59 PM On 3/18/2024 at 7:40 AM, SiliconSorcerer said: Any container that is nonflammable is considered fire resistant, metal will burn at some point but is clearly fire resistant to all but Illinois Supreme Court Judges. Just keep a sheet of aluminum foil and wrap your firearm in it, aluminum ABSOLUTELY will not burn. Wrapping in foil won't work. Besides what happens when aluminum reaches 4200F + degrees? Quote when locked, is incapable of being opened without the key, keypad, combination, or other unlocking mechanism when locked, is incapable of being opened without the key, keypad, combination, or other unlocking mechanism Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davel501 Posted March 18, 2024 at 06:39 PM Share Posted March 18, 2024 at 06:39 PM On 3/18/2024 at 11:59 AM, mab22 said: Besides what happens when aluminum reaches 4200F + degrees? That's really only a Tesla problem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quiet Observer Posted March 18, 2024 at 06:58 PM Share Posted March 18, 2024 at 06:58 PM On 3/18/2024 at 11:59 AM, mab22 said: Wrapping in foil won't work. Besides what happens when aluminum reaches 4200F + degrees? when locked, is incapable of being opened without the key, keypad, combination, or other unlocking mechanism Steel melts at around 2600 deg F. depending on type. At 4200 the car and any other steel in it would melt. Metal Melting Temperatures of Common Engineering Materials (engineersedge.com) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glock43 Posted March 18, 2024 at 08:01 PM Share Posted March 18, 2024 at 08:01 PM At what temperature does my Glock melt?? 🙁🙁 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EdDinIL Posted March 18, 2024 at 08:02 PM Share Posted March 18, 2024 at 08:02 PM Now I want a firearm made of niobium solely for its melting point... 4473° F. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mab22 Posted March 18, 2024 at 08:05 PM Share Posted March 18, 2024 at 08:05 PM On 3/18/2024 at 3:01 PM, Glock43 said: At what temperature does my Glock melt?? 🙁🙁 Try an oven set to 425F and toss an unloaded Glock in for 15 to 30 minutes per side and report back on how the plastic holds up. 😇 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Q Public Posted March 19, 2024 at 05:40 PM Share Posted March 19, 2024 at 05:40 PM Mab has it right,,, the poly used will lose cohesion at 400-420. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quiet Observer Posted March 19, 2024 at 06:03 PM Share Posted March 19, 2024 at 06:03 PM On 3/18/2024 at 7:44 AM, davel501 said: I'm saying knock off the hyperbole and focus on the real objectionable parts. It's not hard to find a cheap lock box that claims to meet the needs of the law. https://www.amazon.com/Portable-Pistols-Fireproof-Combination-Travel/dp/B09ZH6LWSL Product Dimensions19.68"D x 20.47"W x 35.23"H. It is too big to hide under a seat. It would have to go in the trunk, or under the spare tire cover in an SUV. It has no cable to decrease the chance of the box being stolen. I know that with the right tool the cable on other boxes can be cut. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeffrey Posted March 19, 2024 at 06:40 PM Share Posted March 19, 2024 at 06:40 PM Before they gave us permission to carry we had a case that determined the center console is a case. Did that go away? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davel501 Posted March 19, 2024 at 06:40 PM Share Posted March 19, 2024 at 06:40 PM On 3/19/2024 at 1:03 PM, Quiet Observer said: Product Dimensions19.68"D x 20.47"W x 35.23"H. It is too big to hide under a seat. It would have to go in the trunk, or under the spare tire cover in an SUV. It has no cable to decrease the chance of the box being stolen. I know that with the right tool the cable on other boxes can be cut. If I want it. It's mine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatchet Posted March 19, 2024 at 06:49 PM Share Posted March 19, 2024 at 06:49 PM Not to get side tracked, but nice case. You 3d print the liner? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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