jcable2 Posted April 11, 2023 at 01:22 AM Author Share Posted April 11, 2023 at 01:22 AM On 4/10/2023 at 3:34 PM, steveTA84 said: I see the coward SA from Edgar County is not on here. He is just as bad as his predecessor that got promoted to judge last year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yettiblood Posted April 11, 2023 at 01:28 AM Share Posted April 11, 2023 at 01:28 AM Tazewell and Peoria county ??? Nope. Not surprised at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SiliconSorcerer Posted April 11, 2023 at 02:00 PM Share Posted April 11, 2023 at 02:00 PM Doesn't hurt... State’s attorneys from 33 Illinois counties back challenge to gun ban Greg's article Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeffrey Posted April 11, 2023 at 02:41 PM Share Posted April 11, 2023 at 02:41 PM On 4/11/2023 at 9:00 AM, SiliconSorcerer said: Doesn't hurt... State’s attorneys from 33 Illinois counties back challenge to gun ban Greg's article Kinda upsetting that's it. I can understand Crook and Champaign but not the other 2/3's Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steveTA84 Posted April 11, 2023 at 03:44 PM Share Posted April 11, 2023 at 03:44 PM Keep in mind that the state is on record (Keanelly federal case) as saying SA‘s have discretion as to enforce this law or not. the state knows that in the long run, this law will be killed and is throwing anything and everything out there to see what will stick. Curious as to how the state responds to the 33 SA’s brief LOL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buzzard Posted April 11, 2023 at 10:20 PM Share Posted April 11, 2023 at 10:20 PM I believe I'll contribute to the states attorney and sheriff's re-election fund. And if Molly B. wants to do a Town Hall Meeting in Ogle county, I'll help organize! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Molly B. Posted April 12, 2023 at 01:27 AM Share Posted April 12, 2023 at 01:27 AM Good to 'see' you Buzz! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeffrey Posted April 12, 2023 at 01:44 PM Share Posted April 12, 2023 at 01:44 PM On 4/11/2023 at 5:20 PM, Buzzard said: I believe I'll contribute to the states attorney and sheriff's re-election fund. And if Molly B. wants to do a Town Hall Meeting in Ogle county, I'll help organize! Haven't seen a post from you in a long while. Happy to see you here! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
krm3051 Posted April 12, 2023 at 04:37 PM Share Posted April 12, 2023 at 04:37 PM (edited) Can anyone please explain to me what value this TRO has? I am a member of the Exhibit A group in this TRO. My gun dealer is in the other case. The state police told him that we both have to be in the same lawsuit to proceed with a transfer. Why is that a thing? If the exempt people aka law-enforcement can purchase from a FFL why can't TRO people purchase? Edited April 12, 2023 at 04:38 PM by krm3051 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlphaKoncepts aka CGS Posted April 12, 2023 at 04:41 PM Share Posted April 12, 2023 at 04:41 PM My advice is contact the lawyer you paid to represent you. State police are lying again. All devore cases (this is not thr devore thread but is the caulkins thread) have been merged into one case. The state deny rights through lies and purposeful misinterpretation. Find another ffl is the easy answer, but you shouldnt have to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
krm3051 Posted April 12, 2023 at 05:07 PM Share Posted April 12, 2023 at 05:07 PM On 4/12/2023 at 11:41 AM, AlphaKoncepts aka CGS said: My advice is contact the lawyer you paid to represent you. State police are lying again. All devore cases (this is not thr devore thread but is the caulkins thread) have been merged into one case. The state deny rights through lies and purposeful misinterpretation. Find another ffl is the easy answer, but you shouldnt have to. My FFL is more than willing to do a transfer, he has inventory he would like to move. I gave him a copy of my TRO, he contacted the ISP to verify my paper work and they told him that we both have to be listed on the same TRO. I understand his caution as a FFL not wanting to loose his licence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlphaKoncepts aka CGS Posted April 12, 2023 at 05:48 PM Share Posted April 12, 2023 at 05:48 PM Call the lawyer you paid to represent you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mab22 Posted April 12, 2023 at 06:08 PM Share Posted April 12, 2023 at 06:08 PM On 4/12/2023 at 12:07 PM, krm3051 said: My FFL is more than willing to do a transfer, he has inventory he would like to move. I gave him a copy of my TRO, he contacted the ISP to verify my paper work and they told him that we both have to be listed on the same TRO. I understand his caution as a FFL not wanting to loose his licence. Are you both on the Devore cases, or is one Devore and the other Caulkins? If both are Devore it shouldn’t matter, and your FFL should know that. The State police probably don’t have a list of who is on what case, it would be scary if they were keeping track. If one is Devore and the Other is Caulkins, then both should call their attorneys they paid, not the police. The “police” are going to deny everyone to save their butts. Maybe get a better FFL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Euler Posted April 12, 2023 at 06:36 PM Share Posted April 12, 2023 at 06:36 PM I have said many times, but I can say again that police are not lawyers. They are not your lawyers. They are not the state's lawyers. Anything they tell you does not provide you with escape from legal or criminal liability, nor is the state bound by it. You cannot assume that they know the law or that they have your best interests at heart. You should assume the opposite. In this particular case, you have a lawyer. Your FFL has a lawyer. You both have a TRO against the state. If you want it enforced, that's a job for your (real) lawyer and the (real) courts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeffrey Posted April 12, 2023 at 06:37 PM Share Posted April 12, 2023 at 06:37 PM I wouldn't rely on anything ISP says over a phone call. Call your local pizza hut for similar results. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SiliconSorcerer Posted April 12, 2023 at 09:02 PM Share Posted April 12, 2023 at 09:02 PM I thought the current rule was a foid check that required firearm details. If they approve it.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flynn Posted April 13, 2023 at 02:52 AM Share Posted April 13, 2023 at 02:52 AM On 4/12/2023 at 1:36 PM, Euler said: I have said many times, but I can say again that police are not lawyers. They are not your lawyers. They are not the state's lawyers. Anything they tell you does not provide you with escape from legal or criminal liability, nor is the state bound by it. You cannot assume that they know the law or that they have your best interests at heart. You should assume the opposite. In my personal experience very few police actually know more than you average person on the street in regards to the law, many are very well versed on some topics like vehicle enforcement and parking violations (or the topic of an ordiance that is being pushed that month from above) but beyond that many know very little about the law overall, at least from my interactions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Upholder Posted April 13, 2023 at 03:04 AM Share Posted April 13, 2023 at 03:04 AM Additionally, It's never a good idea to take legal advice from your adversary. And make no mistake, when you are talking to the police, they are not on your side. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davel501 Posted April 13, 2023 at 02:06 PM Share Posted April 13, 2023 at 02:06 PM On 4/12/2023 at 10:04 PM, Upholder said: Additionally, It's never a good idea to take legal advice from your adversary. And make no mistake, when you are talking to the police, they are not on your side. It's never a good idea to talk to the police. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JTHunter Posted April 15, 2023 at 02:45 AM Share Posted April 15, 2023 at 02:45 AM On 4/13/2023 at 9:06 AM, davel501 said: It's never a good idea to talk to the police. Amen to that !! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flynn Posted April 16, 2023 at 03:56 AM Share Posted April 16, 2023 at 03:56 AM On 4/15/2023 at 10:38 PM, mab22 said: Keeps it tied up in the courts while the rotund one runs for Prez. Slow Joe won’t run, that leaves it open for the Tyrant to enter the running. What will be one of his “Key Achievements” other than trashing the state even more than it was? He “got rid of assault weapons”. So IL SC ties it up for, 6 months? Then there is the process to get it to the SCOTUS, 6 months to a year, assuming they hear it? Plus the time for it to go to trial, wait for them to make a decision, probably on the Due Process part, but not 2A issue. By the time this is all solved it’s at least 2024/25? If the 2A issue is resolved after the election or at least the primaries, it’s old news. 🤷♂️ This is all My uneducated guess based on how this one party state screws its citizens. I honestly believe there are more mature lawsuits in other states that will get to the SCOTUS first, the variable is going to be how soon it takes the SCOTUS to actually hear one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Molly B. Posted April 17, 2023 at 02:29 PM Share Posted April 17, 2023 at 02:29 PM Is there a link to follow the schedule for the case on the IL Supreme Court site? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Molly B. Posted April 17, 2023 at 02:32 PM Share Posted April 17, 2023 at 02:32 PM Found it! https://www.illinoiscourts.gov/courts/supreme-court/courts-supreme-court-high-profile-cases/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davel501 Posted April 21, 2023 at 03:15 AM Share Posted April 21, 2023 at 03:15 AM On 4/20/2023 at 9:54 PM, mab22 said: You would have to ban “high cap mags”, and modern rifles from the police and all the other “specials”, not sure they would do that. They are off their meds, so they could. They have said repeatedly that those things are only for killing. The purpose of the police is to bring people to justice in a court of law. It's not a leap under their logic to say the police should have nothing more than revolvers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flynn Posted April 21, 2023 at 03:50 AM Share Posted April 21, 2023 at 03:50 AM On 4/20/2023 at 9:54 PM, mab22 said: You would have to ban “high cap mags”, and modern rifles from the police and all the other “specials”, not sure they would do that. They are off their meds, so they could. That is in interesting debate as they would in theory only have to ban those items from police and the specials when they were not on duty to kick out current equal protection claims aka leave your duty guns/mags at work. I would argue at the end of the day that police should not have any 'extra' 2nd rights in regards to carrying and weapons even on duty except in limited highly sensative places like courts and prisons, but that is a fight for another court in the future. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeffrey Posted April 21, 2023 at 01:10 PM Share Posted April 21, 2023 at 01:10 PM On 4/20/2023 at 9:54 PM, mab22 said: You would have to ban “high cap mags”, and modern rifles from the police and all the other “specials”, not sure they would do that. They are off their meds, so they could. I'm surprised they even gave the special people special rights. I wouldn't put it past them to disarm the specials. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlphaKoncepts aka CGS Posted April 21, 2023 at 04:20 PM Share Posted April 21, 2023 at 04:20 PM On 4/21/2023 at 8:10 AM, Jeffrey said: I'm surprised they even gave the special people special rights. I wouldn't put it past them to disarm the specials. they had to give the specials exemptions because the lobby groups for the specials were complaining hard. When they got their exemptions, the lobbyists shut up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ealcala31 Posted April 21, 2023 at 04:52 PM Share Posted April 21, 2023 at 04:52 PM On 4/20/2023 at 10:50 PM, Flynn said: That is in interesting debate as they would in theory only have to ban those items from police and the specials when they were not on duty to kick out current equal protection claims aka leave your duty guns/mags at work. I would argue at the end of the day that police should not have any 'extra' 2nd rights in regards to carrying and weapons even on duty except in limited highly sensative places like courts and prisons, but that is a fight for another court in the future. Didn't the state argue that less than 10rds is used in most officer involved shootings. If that's the case, then LE don't need to carry more than the "private citizen nobody" can carry. On a side note, I spoke with a retired CPD in March and he said he was on the phone with his state rep/senator everyday during the HB5471 legislation making process. I'm sure many other retired LE's from all across the state were pounding those airwaves... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dumak_from_arfcom Posted April 21, 2023 at 07:36 PM Share Posted April 21, 2023 at 07:36 PM On 4/21/2023 at 8:10 AM, Jeffrey said: I'm surprised they even gave the special people special rights. I wouldn't put it past them to disarm the specials. They didn't at first. And they lacked the votes. Then they put in the special carve outs and got the votes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mab22 Posted April 21, 2023 at 08:01 PM Share Posted April 21, 2023 at 08:01 PM On 4/21/2023 at 11:52 AM, ealcala31 said: Didn't the state argue that less than 10rds is used in most officer involved shootings. If that's the case, then LE don't need to carry more than the "private citizen nobody" can carry. On a side note, I spoke with a retired CPD in March and he said he was on the phone with his state rep/senator everyday during the HB5471 legislation making process. I'm sure many other retired LE's from all across the state were pounding those airwaves... I bet if I, just a regular nobody, called my state Congress creature, and State Senate swamp thing everyday during a specific bill, they would call the police on me. 😞 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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