steveTA84 Posted June 17, 2022 at 11:54 PM Share Posted June 17, 2022 at 11:54 PM https://s3.amazonaws.com/jnswire/jns-media/a8/62/11802902/vandermyde_v_cookcounty.pdf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tvandermyde Posted June 18, 2022 at 01:26 AM Share Posted June 18, 2022 at 01:26 AM Yup thats me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THE KING Posted June 18, 2022 at 01:30 AM Share Posted June 18, 2022 at 01:30 AM 👍 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steveTA84 Posted June 18, 2022 at 01:53 AM Author Share Posted June 18, 2022 at 01:53 AM On 6/17/2022 at 8:26 PM, Tvandermyde said: Yup thats me Get em. And glad it’s you doing it. You won’t hold back Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
top_notch Posted June 18, 2022 at 03:19 AM Share Posted June 18, 2022 at 03:19 AM In Todd we trust. Crook county has been collecting these taxes illegally, told not to, so they changed where they deposit them, and started collecting them again. They should have to return all the taxes collected and then some. In the meantime, this is dragged through the courts for years while the crooks keep counting their money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobPistol Posted June 18, 2022 at 03:38 AM Share Posted June 18, 2022 at 03:38 AM I look forward to getting some of this cha-ching Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sweeper13 Posted June 18, 2022 at 03:56 AM Share Posted June 18, 2022 at 03:56 AM Let the fun begin..😁 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tvandermyde Posted June 19, 2022 at 12:47 PM Share Posted June 19, 2022 at 12:47 PM The lawyers will do their thing and I have a hand in the issues pushed, but they know how to craft it todd Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JTHunter Posted June 19, 2022 at 08:57 PM Share Posted June 19, 2022 at 08:57 PM Wring them dry ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mab22 Posted June 23, 2022 at 02:52 AM Share Posted June 23, 2022 at 02:52 AM (edited) Disregard. Edited June 23, 2022 at 02:53 AM by mab22 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeffrey Posted June 23, 2022 at 01:32 PM Share Posted June 23, 2022 at 01:32 PM following Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mab22 Posted June 23, 2022 at 04:30 PM Share Posted June 23, 2022 at 04:30 PM I wasn’t quite sure where this was going, but I figured out the taxation relationship. Given today’s SCOTUS ruling, might be a slam dunk case. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steveTA84 Posted June 24, 2022 at 11:54 AM Author Share Posted June 24, 2022 at 11:54 AM On 6/23/2022 at 11:30 AM, mab22 said: I wasn’t quite sure where this was going, but I figured out the taxation relationship. Given today’s SCOTUS ruling, might be a slam dunk case. Were there excess taxes on guns and ammo in 1791? If there were (there wasn’t), were said taxes used to “fund” other government pet projects? Nope. Case closed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tvandermyde Posted November 22, 2022 at 01:21 PM Share Posted November 22, 2022 at 01:21 PM we filed our response to their motion to dismiss a bit ago and I forgot to post it here. Vandermyde Mot to File Oversized Response to MTD - filed 11-1-22.pdf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mab22 Posted January 25, 2023 at 05:05 AM Share Posted January 25, 2023 at 05:05 AM On 11/22/2022 at 7:21 AM, Tvandermyde said: we filed our response to their motion to dismiss a bit ago and I forgot to post it here. Vandermyde Mot to File Oversized Response to MTD - filed 11-1-22.pdf 1.3 MB · 37 downloads What happened with this case? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tvandermyde Posted January 25, 2023 at 12:34 PM Share Posted January 25, 2023 at 12:34 PM waiting on the judge Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tvandermyde Posted February 22, 2023 at 09:55 PM Share Posted February 22, 2023 at 09:55 PM The judge granted the County's motion to dismiss, on up to the Appellate Court now 2023 02 22 Order Granting MTD.PDF Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yeti Posted February 22, 2023 at 10:06 PM Share Posted February 22, 2023 at 10:06 PM Bummer. Good luck in the next step! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silhouette Posted February 22, 2023 at 11:37 PM Share Posted February 22, 2023 at 11:37 PM It sounds like this court responsibly felt that its hands were tied by the higher court. At least they didn't waste inordinate amounts of time getting to this point. Good luck at the next court getting the precedent overturned!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2A4Cook Posted February 23, 2023 at 12:11 AM Share Posted February 23, 2023 at 12:11 AM The Court's reasoning did actually make sense. Now, the First District can address the Second Amendment issue directly. Nice work, and thanks for what you do! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Upholder Posted February 25, 2023 at 08:25 PM Share Posted February 25, 2023 at 08:25 PM Commentary on this case by Mark W. Smith of the Four Boxes diner: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THE KING Posted February 25, 2023 at 08:36 PM Share Posted February 25, 2023 at 08:36 PM 🤣 just watched that video and was going to post it. Ya beat me by minutes 👍👍 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tvandermyde Posted February 26, 2023 at 12:08 AM Share Posted February 26, 2023 at 12:08 AM Yea, now I'm famous for loosing. Actually I look forward to seeing this go forward. Cooper and Kirk have offered their help on the Appeal and I and my attorneys will be accepting it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mab22 Posted February 26, 2023 at 03:05 AM Share Posted February 26, 2023 at 03:05 AM On 2/25/2023 at 6:08 PM, Tvandermyde said: Yea, now I'm famous for loosing. Actually I look forward to seeing this go forward. Cooper and Kirk have offered their help on the Appeal and I and my attorneys will be accepting it. Sometimes you have to loose to win. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mab22 Posted February 26, 2023 at 03:12 AM Share Posted February 26, 2023 at 03:12 AM @Tvandermyde@Upholder@Euler This was a very informative 7 minute video!!!! So, if I try the same thing as he does in the video by combining the cases. (Hopefully I got the spelling of the cases correct.) Minneapolis V star tribune. Tax on Ink unconstitutional. Harper V state board of education. Pole tax, and right to vote. *Cannot tax constitutional rights. Add Illinois supreme court - Boinken v cusper 1986. State supreme court relied on Minneapolis V star tribune. McDonald v Chicago - Part of it was about banning Gun ranges which was found unconstitutional, I believe. Wouldn't using a Gun range for legal purposes be protected under the 2nd amendment, and therefore taxing the use of the range be considered unconstitutional? Some municipalities charge an "amusement tax" to use a Gun range. I know Dundee does. When it comes to TAX vs fee vs fine the Barry Care case discusses it, when Roberts did contortions to make it work. https://www.law.cornell.edu/supremecourt/text/11-393 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mab22 Posted February 26, 2023 at 03:53 AM Share Posted February 26, 2023 at 03:53 AM Lets do the same thing but direct it at the fees for the FOID and Concealed Carry Permit, prints, etc. Minneapolis V star tribune. Tax on Ink unconstitutional. Harper V state board of education. Pole tax, and right to vote can't tax or fee it. Cannot tax/fee constitutional rights. Add Illinois supreme court - Boinken v cusper 1986. State supreme court relied on Minneapolis V star tribune. Cannot charge for a marrage permit. Voting does not require a permit, nor can you charge a tax on it. The right to vote is a constitutional right. The FEES for ensuring a "citizens" is "legally allowed to vote", is baked into our taxes, it's shared by all citizens of the state. Shouldn't FEE's insuring a "citizen of the state" is legally allowed to possess a firearm (think FOID), a constitutional right, be shared by all citizens and covered by the state? Any lawful citizen at any time can purchase a firearms for lawful use. Seeing as how the state of Illinois FOID law outright prohibits open carry, using the example above, shouldn't the FEE's for obtaining a concealed carry permit, a constitutional right, be shared by all citizens and covered by the state? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lilguy Posted February 26, 2023 at 06:13 AM Share Posted February 26, 2023 at 06:13 AM I was 21 when I got my FOID. Was told then it was unconstitutional and will be voided eventually. 52 years later I’m still constantly told it unconstitutional. I’m beginning to see a pattern. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Plinkermostly Posted February 26, 2023 at 02:35 PM Share Posted February 26, 2023 at 02:35 PM Pretty much same with the ammo tax -- assumed unconstitutional at the time -- yet here we still are. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tvandermyde Posted February 26, 2023 at 04:11 PM Share Posted February 26, 2023 at 04:11 PM On 2/26/2023 at 8:35 AM, Plinkermostly said: Pretty much same with the ammo tax -- assumed unconstitutional at the time -- yet here we still are. We believe it is, it takes the Courts to back us up, and often they don't like to upset the apple cart with big changes. We have to believe in the courts, otherwise it's gonna be messy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Plinkermostly Posted February 26, 2023 at 08:58 PM Share Posted February 26, 2023 at 08:58 PM I believe in the courts -- or there is no hope! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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