kwc Posted June 12, 2015 at 03:34 PM Posted June 12, 2015 at 03:34 PM Latest data are attached. For grins this time I requested totals broken out by gender as well, and # awaiting CCLRB review. I don't know why the male+female number doesn't match the listed total number issued. Is there an "other" option now in the application? Enjoy! http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/06/12/caa25c4c16120581fa61185190c3007e.jpg
BIGDEESUL Posted June 12, 2015 at 03:46 PM Posted June 12, 2015 at 03:46 PM Thanks! Is this from a FOIA request?
kwc Posted June 12, 2015 at 03:56 PM Author Posted June 12, 2015 at 03:56 PM Thanks! Is this from a FOIA request? Yes--sorry, I should have said that right up front.
TyGuy Posted June 12, 2015 at 04:21 PM Posted June 12, 2015 at 04:21 PM Not even 1% yet. come on people!
wtr100 Posted June 12, 2015 at 05:05 PM Posted June 12, 2015 at 05:05 PM what was / is the increase over previous count
McCroskey Posted June 12, 2015 at 05:37 PM Posted June 12, 2015 at 05:37 PM I wish the female count was higher
DomG Posted June 12, 2015 at 05:58 PM Posted June 12, 2015 at 05:58 PM Not even 1% yet. come on people! Confiscatory pricing is keeping many people out. Think about it. If ANY other right cost anything to exercise, let alone the cost of an Illinois CCL, it would be ruled unconstitutional because it disenfranchises people. The IL CCL is the definition of a right available only available to the rich.
spec5 Posted June 12, 2015 at 06:02 PM Posted June 12, 2015 at 06:02 PM The people I talk to about it at the range just say they have been thinking about it and haven't gotten around to it yet. BTW OP thanks for keeping us up to date with your requests.
DD123 Posted June 12, 2015 at 06:16 PM Posted June 12, 2015 at 06:16 PM Wow, that's a lot lower than I expected. I have a feeling that the costs are what's keeping people from getting theirs. I think if the fee was reduced along with dropping the 16 hours to 8 hours, it would open it up to more folks. When all was said and done, I think I ended up just under $500 if I factored gas for my car into the equation along with prints. That's a significant amount of money for most people. If this happened 10 years ago, I certainly wouldn't have been able to afford it. I'm now making considerably more so it's not that big of a deal, but it's also still $500 any way you slice it. Thanks for this update! It's good to see the most recent numbers and hopefully we can see them double by the end of the year. It would be great to see at least 3% of the population licensed by next year. Probably not likely but it'd be nice.
junglebob Posted June 12, 2015 at 06:22 PM Posted June 12, 2015 at 06:22 PM Not even 1% yet. come on people! If you look at the number of males 21 and over in Illinois, 6,292,276 by one estimate, that works out to just over 1.5% have an Illinois FCCL. Also when you look at the male and female numbers and add them up you are 1,409 short of the total so their are some in the category of "neither sex" I guess.
kwc Posted June 12, 2015 at 06:26 PM Author Posted June 12, 2015 at 06:26 PM what was / is the increase over previous count Data over the last three months for resident licenses issued: Apr 7: 104,706 May 7: 108,178 Jun 11: 115,954 There are 4 more days included in the latest reporting cycle, but the pace is picking up a little. Let's keep pulling our friends and neighbors "into the fold"! As for non-resident totals, not a single non-resident license was issued over the past month.
Kaeghl Posted June 12, 2015 at 06:29 PM Posted June 12, 2015 at 06:29 PM A few times I've talked about the LTC with people at work, for instance, when the cost comes up, most will say "I'd get it, but there's no way I could afford it right now." $450 to $500 is a lot for some people.
kwc Posted June 12, 2015 at 06:29 PM Author Posted June 12, 2015 at 06:29 PM I wish the female count was higher Absolutely! Anecdotally, the percentage of women in our own classes (also reported by other instructors) seems to be going up, but unfortunately I have no data to assess the statewide trend by gender.
Hipshot Percussion Posted June 12, 2015 at 06:35 PM Posted June 12, 2015 at 06:35 PM $$$ + Restrictions on Public Transportation (how many people use that on a daily basis?) are probably the two most important reason for people not applying. Why spend the money if you can't carry on your way to work and back? And if you are going to switch to FOID transport mode, why not just use FOID transport mode and save yourself the money? Still a long way to go... Stay Safe and Carry Responsibly
abolt243 Posted June 12, 2015 at 06:49 PM Posted June 12, 2015 at 06:49 PM As a former smoker, I can make this comparison. I get behind people at the local convenience store that drop $50-$75 on cigarettes or $20-$40 on beer. That's not five year's worth of those products either. They'll be back in a few days to restock and spend the same amount again. I agree whole heartedly that our license is priced too high, but if you look at the cost for five years as being the same as <3 cartons of generic cigarettes?? Priorities. For those friends of yours that frequent the local watering holes on occasion, ask them how much they dropped in the bar last weekend. Point is, I'm sure that $400-$500 is too much for a lot of folks. But $50 a year is not that far out of line when looking at some other states. Training? Shop around. As the law of supply and demand kicks in, and the pool of untrained gets smaller, the cost will come down. But yeah, the ultimate goal is no cost, constitutional carry. But that won't be next year.
Bitter Clinger Posted June 12, 2015 at 07:01 PM Posted June 12, 2015 at 07:01 PM I've had some folks tell me that they don't want to go through the process because if they get rejected, they're afraid that they will have their firearms confiscated. I've actually heard this many times from people and I'm not sure where they're getting this info.
gregivq Posted June 12, 2015 at 07:12 PM Posted June 12, 2015 at 07:12 PM You'll get thousands more if you could remove any weight on posted/prohibited locations. Then reduce the fees and you'll get thousands more. And then there's that bit about 16 hours of training. If that sounds like a lot of work then just scrap the whole thing and enforce constitutional carry...though you won't have any numbers to show us.
CplHunter Posted June 12, 2015 at 07:35 PM Posted June 12, 2015 at 07:35 PM Data visualized. This chart is based on data from kwc as well as the 2014 ISP FCCL year-end data. The lighter colored lines are linear trend lines.
3ddiver Posted June 12, 2015 at 08:47 PM Posted June 12, 2015 at 08:47 PM The comment that I hear most is it is a waste of money because they cant carry anywhere because of the GFZs.
GTX63 Posted June 12, 2015 at 09:48 PM Posted June 12, 2015 at 09:48 PM Single women/mothers, elderly/senior citizens, low income minorities. The biggest group of potential victims are the biggest group unable to afford the permit.
mcjon77 Posted June 12, 2015 at 09:54 PM Posted June 12, 2015 at 09:54 PM $10 for FOID Card$200-$250 for training$15 for exam ammo (box of 50 9mm target from Walmart)$150 for the application $375-$425, not including the gun. $300 for a low tier but decent handgun (think Taurus or SCCY) bought online through an FFL.$50 for a holster$25 for a box of self defense/JHP ammo So we are looking at a minimum of $750 to $800 for most people to even carry. This doesn't budget ANYTHING for additional range ammo, running a few mags of your self defense ammo through your gun for testing, buying multiple holsters (because we never pick the perfect holster the first time), a gun belt, etc. For your average person, living paycheck to paycheck, they are going to have to think long term and spread the financial burden out over an extended period of time, as well.
spec5 Posted June 12, 2015 at 10:21 PM Posted June 12, 2015 at 10:21 PM I've had some folks tell me that they don't want to go through the process because if they get rejected, they're afraid that they will have their firearms confiscated. I've actually heard this many times from people and I'm not sure where they're getting this info.Or what kind of backgrounds they have to fear it.
spec5 Posted June 12, 2015 at 10:27 PM Posted June 12, 2015 at 10:27 PM $10 for FOID Card$200-$250 for training$15 for exam ammo (box of 50 9mm target from Walmart)$150 for the application $375-$425, not including the gun. $300 for a low tier but decent handgun (think Taurus or SCCY) bought online through an FFL.$50 for a holster$25 for a box of self defense/JHP ammo So we are looking at a minimum of $750 to $800 for most people to even carry. This doesn't budget ANYTHING for additional range ammo, running a few mags of your self defense ammo through your gun for testing, buying multiple holsters (because we never pick the perfect holster the first time), a gun belt, etc. For your average person, living paycheck to paycheck, they are going to have to think long term and spread the financial burden out over an extended period of time, as well.I truly don't understand the price of the firearm, FOID, or ammunition entering into the mix. I would think "most" who want to carry already have a firearm and want to practice or at least should practice often. Before I had a CCL I went to the range all the time, but that's just me as I have been shooting for over 50 years.
Hipshot Percussion Posted June 12, 2015 at 11:02 PM Posted June 12, 2015 at 11:02 PM $10 for FOID Card$200-$250 for training$15 for exam ammo (box of 50 9mm target from Walmart)$150 for the application $375-$425, not including the gun. $300 for a low tier but decent handgun (think Taurus or SCCY) bought online through an FFL.$50 for a holster$25 for a box of self defense/JHP ammo So we are looking at a minimum of $750 to $800 for most people to even carry. This doesn't budget ANYTHING for additional range ammo, running a few mags of your self defense ammo through your gun for testing, buying multiple holsters (because we never pick the perfect holster the first time), a gun belt, etc. For your average person, living paycheck to paycheck, they are going to have to think long term and spread the financial burden out over an extended period of time, as well.I truly don't understand the price of the firearm, FOID, or ammunition entering into the mix. I would think "most" who want to carry already have a firearm and want to practice or at least should practice often. Before I had a CCL I went to the range all the time, but that's just me as I have been shooting for over 50 years. Spec5, not trying to start an argument, just the other side of the coin. Most, if not all the people I know who talk about getting their FCCL, don't even have a FOID yet. I've taken several of them shooting and we've talked. They don't own a gun, never had a reason to. I didn't own a gun before Dec of 12'. So, for the people I know, it will end up being a $1K outlay - after you add it all up - the classes, license, fingerprints (if you so choose) ammo for practice, range time, etc... Having those numbers broken down for you, the amount can be quite daunting for something you've lived without for so many years. I really see most of them getting a FOID, then buying a low end gun and shooting from time to time... then later down the road going through the rest of it. Either way... It's money plus restrictions on public transportation plus perceived restrictions at other places (I rarely have to disarm in DuPage County.) Stay Safe and Carry Responsibly
1911 .45 Posted June 13, 2015 at 12:16 AM Posted June 13, 2015 at 12:16 AM I wish the female count was higherI find myself saying those exact words in a great variety of situations.
UnderCover Posted June 13, 2015 at 12:58 AM Posted June 13, 2015 at 12:58 AM Can we see a chart of each county of how many CCL were given out since 2014 to this present time.
RacerDave6 Posted June 13, 2015 at 01:06 AM Posted June 13, 2015 at 01:06 AM If you can wade through the ads there is some info here. http://www.rebootillinois.com/2015/06/12/editors-picks/kevin-hoffmanrebootillinois-com/how-many-people-in-your-county-have-concealed-carry-licenses/39563/?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=6/12/2015
DomG Posted June 13, 2015 at 01:14 AM Posted June 13, 2015 at 01:14 AM $10 for FOID Card$200-$250 for training$15 for exam ammo (box of 50 9mm target from Walmart)$150 for the application $375-$425, not including the gun. $300 for a low tier but decent handgun (think Taurus or SCCY) bought online through an FFL.$50 for a holster$25 for a box of self defense/JHP ammo So we are looking at a minimum of $750 to $800 for most people to even carry. This doesn't budget ANYTHING for additional range ammo, running a few mags of your self defense ammo through your gun for testing, buying multiple holsters (because we never pick the perfect holster the first time), a gun belt, etc. For your average person, living paycheck to paycheck, they are going to have to think long term and spread the financial burden out over an extended period of time, as well.I truly don't understand the price of the firearm, FOID, or ammunition entering into the mix. I would think "most" who want to carry already have a firearm and want to practice or at least should practice often. Before I had a CCL I went to the range all the time, but that's just me as I have been shooting for over 50 years.I had no compact or subcompacts before the FCCW- only full size pistols. I've bought three since, and I regularly carry two of them.
RandyP Posted June 13, 2015 at 01:19 AM Posted June 13, 2015 at 01:19 AM Mighty puny number of license holders to be sure - it is no wonder we don't carry much 'voting block' weight in Springpatch. His Royal Highness Madigan can get 100,000 votes in his favor just using the obituary column, I can't see us causing him to lose any sleep. I DO agree that the prohibition on carry where it IS needed most (namely public transportation-rail & bus)is stopping many eligible applicants from even bothering to start saving up the $$$ in a mason jar under the front porch. I agree the total package costs are too high, but people WILL save up for what serves their needs.
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