Snope v Brown fka Bianchi v Frosh - MD AWB

[davel501]

On 3/17/2025 at 10:49 PM, Euler said:

The PICA case is Judicial Second Amendment Case Discussion > Barnett v. Raoul.

That didn't answer my question. 

[Euler]

Perhaps the answer to your question is in the topic dedicated to it.

[davel501]

I don't know how to explain it in a more simple way. I don't understand why scotus seems to be holding these cases for a case that is frozen in time and is just letting it happen after warning the 7th not to go slow on that one. 

Edited March 18, 2025 at 01:23 PM by davel501

[crufflesmuth]

My impression is they are waiting on:

 

• Smith and Wesson v. Mexico
• Colorado permit-to-purchase/Semi-auto Ban
• 7th Circuit theatrics with SBR/rational basis test

Disclaimer: I am not Todd Vandermyde. I have less

understanding of the mechanics of what goes on 

within the gun/second amendment community.

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Upholder]

Docket update - relisted for conference on 3/28/25 along with Ocean State Tactical v Rhode Island.

[Upholder]

Docket update - relisted for conference on 4/4/25 along with Ocean State Tactical v Rhode Island and Antonyuk v. James.

[EdDinIL]

The case was distributed for conference this Thursday, April 17.

[fenris]

I had been speculating, knowing my thoughts are meaningless, that Thomas and / or Alito were drafting a dissent (or whatever the proper word is for this scenario) but I wouldn't think it would take them this long.  Hopefully, they are just waiting for some chip to fall real soon to take this on.

Edited April 14, 2025 at 10:34 PM by fenris

[springfield shooter]

On 4/14/2025 at 5:33 PM, fenris said:

I had been speculating, knowing my thoughts are meaningless, that Thomas and / or Alito were drafting a dissent (or whatever the proper word is for this scenario) but I wouldn't think it would take them this long.  Hopefully, they are just waiting for some chip to fall real soon to take this on.

 

 

[mrmagloo]

Seems the SCOTUS has never hear the phrase, "A right delayed is a right denied".  It amazes me to no end that they refuse to finally say enough is enough.  People are literally dying before getting their rightful relief at the hands of tyrants who should be personally held responsible and prosecuted. Any other violation of our Bill of Rights seems to get expediated attention and enforcement.  Makes no sense.

 

 

Edited April 15, 2025 at 11:36 PM by mrmagloo
Cain't speil fer chit

[ealcala31]

On 4/15/2025 at 6:35 PM, mrmagloo said:

Seems the SCOTUS has never hear the phrase, "A right delayed is a right denied".  It amazes me to no end that they refuse to finally say enough is enough.  People are literally dying before getting their rightful relief at the hands of tyrants who should be personally held responsible and prosecuted. Any other violation of our Bill of Rights seems to get expediated attention and enforcement.  Makes no sense.

 

 

I hear ya, but us Illinoisans don't make it any easier when we constantly vote in anti-gun politicians. An argument can be made we cannot defeat the gerrymandering that the IL Dems have done. Fair enough, but 2A should win the governor's race every election cycle. 2A has 2.4 million members in FOID Card Holders and that alone could have won the last governor's race.

[Dumak_from_arfcom]

On 4/15/2025 at 7:45 PM, ealcala31 said:

I hear ya, but us Illinoisans don't make it any easier when we constantly vote in anti-gun politicians. An argument can be made we cannot defeat the gerrymandering that the IL Dems have done. Fair enough, but 2A should win the governor's race every election cycle. 2A has 2.4 million members in FOID Card Holders and that alone could have won the last governor's race.

 

I disagree again.  Just because someone has a FOID doesn't make them pro-gun or conservative.  Liberals routinely vote against their own best interests.

 

"Liberals are liberal first" - Rush Limbaugh  

[ealcala31]

On 4/15/2025 at 7:50 PM, Dumak_from_arfcom said:

 

I disagree again.  Just because someone has a FOID doesn't make them pro-gun or conservative.  Liberals routinely vote against their own best interests.

 

"Liberals are liberal first" - Rush Limbaugh  

I agree. You've said this b4 and I've agreed with you b4. A FOID Card Holder does not mean that you are a 2A Advocate. It's interesting that nobody seems to think that we should take any responsibility for the ballot box. But, these are the same FOID Card Holders who are beyond angry that PICA is the law. They want to have their cake & eat it too. You can't have both! Yet, does anyone call them out. I do, professionally, of course. I tell them, "Dems said in the 2022 elections that if they win, they are going for an "assault weapons" ban. Take them at their word" I ask them to call their politicians and let them know, you are a Democrat and vote Democrat, but you support firearm ownership beyond the PICA Law. Are most of my Chicago customers ignoring me, probably, because they are still happy that they are "allowed" to have 15rd magazines. It sucks, but we shouldn't have to count on people with robes bailing us out. We have to have our own wins at the ballot box.

[mab22]

On 4/15/2025 at 9:28 PM, ealcala31 said:

I agree. You've said this b4 and I've agreed with you b4. A FOID Card Holder does not mean that you are a 2A Advocate. It's interesting that nobody seems to think that we should take any responsibility for the ballot box. But, these are the same FOID Card Holders who are beyond angry that PICA is the law. They want to have their cake & eat it too. You can't have both! Yet, does anyone call them out. I do, professionally, of course. I tell them, "Dems said in the 2022 elections that if they win, they are going for an ""assault weapons"" ban. Take them at their word" I ask them to call their politicians and let them know, you are a Democrat and vote Democrat, but you support firearm ownership beyond the PICA Law. Are most of my Chicago customers ignoring me, probably, because they are still happy that they are "allowed" to have 15rd magazines. It sucks, but we shouldn't have to count on people with robes bailing us out. We have to have our own wins at the ballot box.

Pretty soon they will be happy they can possess a few, not fifteen rounds of ammunition. 

[ealcala31]

On 4/15/2025 at 10:59 PM, mab22 said:

Pretty soon they will be happy they can possess a few, not fifteen rounds of ammunition. 

Correct, when they go to 10rds, they'll still be happy. By that time, the only semi-auto rifles we'll be able to own will be .22LR. Not .22 Magnum, too dangerous...

[yurimodin]

On 4/14/2025 at 5:33 PM, fenris said:

I had been speculating, knowing my thoughts are meaningless, that Thomas and / or Alito were drafting a dissent (or whatever the proper word is for this scenario) but I wouldn't think it would take them this long.  Hopefully, they are just waiting for some chip to fall real soon to take this on.

My guess is ACB is going lib again

[EdDinIL]

Distributed for conference on Friday April 25.

[Dumak_from_arfcom]

I hope our team holds the 7th's butt to the fire to move this quickly and doesn't let the 7th delay releasing a decision for a year or more. 

 

I'm 100% convinced.  SCOTUS is waiting for PICA. 

 

 

[Tip]

On 4/21/2025 at 7:18 PM, Dumak_from_arfcom said:

I hope our team holds the 7th's butt to the fire to move this quickly and doesn't let the 7th delay releasing a decision for a year or more. 

 

I'm 100% convinced.  SCOTUS is waiting for PICA. 

 

 

And the problem is the 7th might be waiting for “more direction” from SCOTUS —> result = nothing moves….

[yurimodin]

On 4/21/2025 at 7:18 PM, Dumak_from_arfcom said:

I hope our team holds the 7th's butt to the fire to move this quickly and doesn't let the 7th delay releasing a decision for a year or more. 

 

I'm 100% convinced.  SCOTUS is waiting for PICA. 

 

 

Isn't the MD case almost 10 years old at this point????? What more could they be waiting for other that whatever blackmail ppl have on them to go away.

[ragsbo]

I am so sick and tired of waiting and nothing ever happening. The system is broke since it allows the state to manipulate, delay, prolong and use what ever else they can think of to deny us our rights. I don't see ANY relief from ANY court ANY time soon!

[mikew]

On 4/22/2025 at 9:45 AM, yurimodin said:

Isn't the MD case almost 10 years old at this point?????

 

On 4/22/2025 at 11:37 AM, ragsbo said:

I am so sick and tired of waiting and nothing ever happening.

 

We got spoiled with McDonald v Chicago: 2 years from first filing to SCOTUS ruling.

[Dumak_from_arfcom]

On 4/22/2025 at 9:45 AM, yurimodin said:

Isn't the MD case almost 10 years old at this point????? What more could they be waiting for other that whatever blackmail ppl have on them to go away.

 

IL's ban has everything. Registration, Parts registration, Carve outs, Mag Ban, Parts ban (right to repair), .50cal, and it is all tied into the unconstitutional FOID. And on top of that they banned nearly every semi-auto long gun, including pistols with threaded barrels.  

 

Justice Thomas wanted this case moved quickly for a reason.   

[yurimodin]

On 4/22/2025 at 2:04 PM, Dumak_from_arfcom said:

 

IL's ban has everything. Registration, Parts registration, Carve outs, Mag Ban, Parts ban (right to repair), .50cal, and it is all tied into the unconstitutional FOID. And on top of that they banned nearly every semi-auto long gun, including pistols with threaded barrels.  

 

Justice Thomas wanted this case moved quickly for a reason.   

I'm still not holding my breath. Someone has something on Roberts (0-care anyone.....and he was in that club with BoasBERG). ACB seems too worried about getting shunned by Mrs. Astor at her tea parties. 

[ragsbo]

And IF it ever does get over turned, the state has a replacement bill ready to cram through and start the process all over again- because they won't be held accountable for passing an unconstitutional law.

[Upholder]

Docket update - relisted for conference on 5/2/25 along with Ocean State Tactical v Rhode Island.

[EdDinIL]

No news from SCOTUS yet, since there is no conference this week.  Mark Smith at Four Boxes Diner posted a video about all the relistings, apparently because he needed to say something after saying he'd been waiting to say something when something constructive happens.

 

His title is misleading (shocking, I know), since the case has not been relisted yet.  Presumably it will be, though.  The next conference is Thursday May 15. 

 

 

[EdDinIL]

Docket update:  Relisted for conference this Thursday, May 15, along with Ocean State Tactical.

 

If they're going to use this week's conference to give me a birthday per curiam, I will gladly accept such a wondrous gift.

[Billy Bob]

SCOTUS released an orders list today, and neither this case nor the Ocean State Tactical case was on it. I'm shocked, shocked I tell you.

[Upholder]

Docket update - relisted for conference on 5/22/25 along with Ocean State Tactical v Rhode Island.