Renewed my CCL today, a bit of a hassle

[vito]

This morning I received an email telling me that I have entered the 6 month window for renewal of my CCL, so I thought, why wait? I started the process, which I found more challenging that I thought it would be. All of my data is already on the State Police website, so I thought the renewal would be very quick. I had no idea, or did not remember, that I had to have the data and the actual training certificate that I received for the required training over 10 years ago. It took me more than a few minutes to find that document, and I'm not sure what would have been the process for me had I not found it. Submitting an updated photo was not much of a challenge, and then the payment process was simple. I'm starting this thread just as a warning to others to make sure that they find their training certificate before it is time for their license renewal, and if they can't find it, have as much time as possible to rectify that situation. 

 

This requirement of needing to send a copy of the actual certificate made me think that it was as if renewing a driver's license at age 80 would have required me to find the paperwork showing I took driver's ed decades ago. 

[bmyers]

Why the original cert? Why not just the cert showing you had taken the refresher? 

 

I don't even know where my original cert is at. Sure it is filed somewhere. Last time I renewed it was just the refresher cert. 

[Tip]

Ummm, the document you are required to submit is not the original training cert but the cert from the renewal training, is it not?

[papa]

Maybe I am missing something here but why would you be uploading the old certification? You need to take a 4 hour refresher course and submit that certificate.

[Bubbacs]

me thinks this is going to be a bit harder for him very soon!

[John Q Public]

It's a 3hr course for renewal and no, the original cert will be rejected as, "insufficient training." Vito, you will need to sign up for a 3hr course.

 

JQ

[cybermgk]

I renewed mine earlier this year.  I needed only the refresher training proof.  But then, they still had my original training cert still as that was only 5 years ago.

[vito]

I'm not sure how I missed the requirement for a refresher course. I'm now signed up for a class in August. Thanks for the info. 

[ealcala31]

So, I am a little confused. I'm coming up for renewal in 01/2024 and I did get an email and a text that my IL-CCL is 180 days out. It will be 10yrs when I got my IL-CCL in 03/2014. Last renewal, all I had to do was upload my 3hr certificate. Is that the same process or are they looking for the original cert now? Doesn't ISP have the original cert as part of our file? That's going to suck looking for that cert...

[Tip]

On 7/22/2023 at 10:48 AM, ealcala31 said:

So, I am a little confused. I'm coming up for renewal in 01/2024 and I did get an email and a text that my IL-CCL is 180 days out. It will be 10yrs when I got my IL-CCL in 03/2014. Last renewal, all I had to do was upload my 3hr certificate. Is that the same process or are they looking for the original cert now? Doesn't ISP have the original cert as part of our file? That's going to suck looking for that cert...

Nope, I believe all you need is renewal cert.

I think the OP was confused and thought original cert would cover renewal - it won’t.

[John Q Public]

Tip is correct, once the 16hr was used, it's done. There are exceptions to use it for the training requirements for other states CC, but as for the ISP, no longer needed.

[Bubbacs]

Am I not remembering correctly but instructors self recertify?  I think I did that.  I think I remember that.  But I cant find the place i read it at before!  Anyone?

[soundguy]

On 7/22/2023 at 3:33 PM, Bubbacs said:

Am I not remembering correctly but instructors self re-certify?  I think I did that.  I think I remember that.  But I cant find the place i read it at before!  Anyone?

 

Yes, sort of... current instructors are exempt and do not need to "self certify".

 

I renewed mine the day the email arrived (6/14) which was about a week before two copies of the letter arrived via USPS. Today, I have 52 days to go with the following message:

 

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We have received your submission and your payment was successful. We have not yet reviewed any aspect of your application. It is in the verification queue.

 

 

About the Process

Upon receipt of a qualified application, the Illinois State Police (ISP) will issue or deny the applicant within the timeframes set forth in statute and administrative rules.  See our Frequently Asked Questions at https://www.ispfsb.com/ for more details.  During the review process, ISP will send notifications on key status changes to the supplied email address and send correspondence in the U.S. mail to the applicant’s mailing address.  If the application is approved, the ISP will prepare, print and send the FOID or CCL card to the applicant’s mailing address.

 

 

 

Cheers,

Tim

[John Q Public]

The way I hear it is the very first don't need to do so, but newer ones do. 

[spanishjames]

On 7/22/2023 at 9:30 PM, John Q Public said:

The way I hear it is the very first don't need to do so, but newer ones do. 

"Don't need to do' what?  

[soundguy]

On 7/22/2023 at 9:30 PM, John Q Public said:

The way I hear it is the very first don't need to do so, but newer ones do. 

 

Ditto...

 

First ones don't need to do what?

 

Cheers,

Tim

[John Q Public]

For some reason, the first instructors don't need to self certify by sending a cert, it's not required.

 

I guess after some date that was changed, but I don't know when or why. 

[gasgunner]

Renewed a few weeks ago. Did not have to submit a certificate. Had to check a box that I was exempt as an instructor. 

[Bubbacs]

On 7/23/2023 at 12:15 PM, gasgunner said:

Renewed a few weeks ago. Did not have to submit a certificate. Had to check a box that I was exempt as an instructor. 

I thought I remembered that correctly.  Yay the pills are working!

[lilguy]

On 7/22/2023 at 11:28 AM, Tip said:

Nope, I believe all you need is renewal cert.

I think the OP was confused and thought original cert would cover renewal - it won’t.

This.

[Smallbore]

Something is strange. The OP said he found his certificate from training 10 years ago. That means this is his second renewal coming up.

[soundguy]

On 7/23/2023 at 9:05 PM, Smallbore said:

Something is strange. The OP said he found his certificate from training 10 years ago. That means this is his second renewal coming up.

 

Like others... probably doesn't remember what he did 5 years ago.

 

 

Cheers,

Tim

[Mr. Fife]

On 7/22/2023 at 4:07 PM, soundguy said:

 

Yes, sort of... current instructors are exempt and do not need to "self certify".

 

I renewed mine the day the email arrived (6/14) which was about a week before two copies of the letter arrived via USPS. Today, I have 52 days to go with the following message:

 

 

 

Cheers,

Tim

I renewed when I got the email {current instructor}. Never received anything via USPS.

F USPS

[vito]

All's well that ends well, I guess. I took the renewal class, got my training certificate, and then emailed the ISP to ask how I could upload it to an application that was shown as "Under review". I received an immediate response that my application was now open and ready to accept the uploaded certificate. I uploaded said document and then got a confirming email from the ISP saying that it uploaded properly and "looked good". So now I am just waiting for the completion of the review and receipt of my new license. 

 

Part of why I added this comment is that I was very impressed with both the speed of the ISP reply to my email, and the helpful assistance that was immediately offered to me. Not at all what I expected from comments on this website about the difficulty in communicating with the ISP. 

 

I'll also add that for my first renewal, which would have been in 2019, is it possible that the requirement for the 3 hour training had not yet been in place? I genuinely do not recall taking such a class then, nor doing the qualification shooting back in that time frame, and I would have saved any training certificate had I received one. Not important now but interesting. 

[Windchaser]

I believe the retraining requirement was always there. I did it for my first renewal and my original license was in the first batch issued.

[captdan]

I just recently renewed my CCL. I am a ISP certified instructor first certified within days of application process being opened. My renewal did not request a renewal cert as I checked the ISP certified instructor box and provided my CCT number. Paid and all seems well. However, I have seen some reporting that I will get a request for Renewal Training Cert. in coming days. Called ISP about discrepancy and the issue has ben brought to their attention and expecting clarification on this subject soon. I will share info here when it arrives. There is no place to submit CCL renewal cert on my renewal application. And from comments here I would agree there seems to be a discrepancy between early instructors and more recent certified instructors CCL renewals.

[soundguy]

On 8/29/2023 at 11:22 AM, captdan said:

I just recently renewed my CCL. I am a ISP certified instructor first certified within days of application process being opened. My renewal did not request a renewal cert as I checked the ISP certified instructor box and provided my CCT number. Paid and all seems well. However, I have seen some reporting that I will get a request for Renewal Training Cert. in coming days. Called ISP about discrepancy and the issue has been brought to their attention and expecting clarification on this subject soon. I will share info here when it arrives. There is no place to submit CCL renewal cert on my renewal application. And from comments here I would agree there seems to be a discrepancy between early instructors and more recent certified instructors CCL renewals.

 

Thank you for requesting clarification. We also await clarification via Molly.

 

I think all instructors are being treated the same way... a notice and letter requiring the "Three Hour Cert" comes about 60 days after applying for renewal. I am also one of the early Instructors. We are in the same class and I look forward to your report, as it should be the same for all of us.

 

I also would like to know what the heck ISP is doing for those first 60 days.

 

 

Cheers,

Tim

[soundguy]

On 8/29/2023 at 11:22 AM, captdan said:

I just recently renewed my CCL. I am a ISP certified instructor first certified within days of application process being opened.

 

 

Personal update:

 

I submitted my Self Cert renewal form today.

Things I did:

 

At the CCL Portal my application was listed as REJECTED

There were notes below indicating what was missing

 

 - Clicked on "Update Renewal Info" and added the info it asked for.

 - Clicked on "Upload Files" and uploaded my Cert form

 - Clicked on "SUBMIT"

  *Those "to do" items disappeared before I wrote them down so wording may not be accurate*

 

My new status is RENEWAL

It also now says 90 days remaining...

 

If this is the correct way to do it, I should have my new CCL card in a week or so, as others have reported. The 90 Days Remaining is distressing.

 

I still want to know why it takes 60 days of inactivity to get to this point and why instructors were not informed as to the new renewal requirements.

 

 

Cheers,

Tim

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[John Q Public]

It's moronic to have to submit a 3hr renewal as an instructor, who is, by definition, exempt from training. 

 

I can also confirm that if you check the box for, "Instructor" there is not an option to upload a cert, but they have it right, you should not have to do so anyway.

[captdan]

Sound Guy,

 

Just checked my status of CCL Renewal and still show under review with 82 days to go. I will be keeping an eye on it to see if required to submit Renewal cert. like many others. Nothing back from ISP as of today.

 

Dan