Felixd Posted March 3, 2022 at 08:40 PM Share Posted March 3, 2022 at 08:40 PM I just read the Thursday missive from the ISRA. From my perspective as an Illinois taxpayer and shooter I find it difficult to support Richard Pearson’s praise for Mike Madigan. Perhaps all those years Pearson has spent in Springpatch has allowed him to warm up to the leftists, but when my liberties and freedom are at stake I cannot praise anyone who seeks my subservience. With statements such as, “Michael Madigan was the best Speaker of the House in any state”, because he intimidated his fellow party members, one must question the quality of leadership of the ISRA. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Euler Posted March 3, 2022 at 08:59 PM Share Posted March 3, 2022 at 08:59 PM For anyone who is wondering what Pearson said: ISRA said: ... Michael Madigan was the best Speaker of the House in any state. He personally read every bill and knew every word in that bill and knew how it fit into the law. Believe it or not, Speaker Madigan was far more conservative than his Democrat caucus and he put the brakes on a lot of bad stuff. I know you are sitting there thinking how could this be worse? Believe me, it could have been much worse. Michael Madigan was able to control his side of the House because he was able to control the political purse strings of the Democrat State Representatives. If some representative got too far out in left field, Madigan would withhold campaign funds from them and cut off other resources from them. They might get another candidate from their own party running against them if they did not fall in line. To do all that requires lots and lots of money which is where the problem started. I am not defending Mr. Madigan; I'm giving you my view about how things are in Springfield. The moral of the story about Michael Madigan and others is that no matter how big you think you are, you are not untouchable. ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EdDinIL Posted March 3, 2022 at 09:07 PM Share Posted March 3, 2022 at 09:07 PM "Best" is such a poor choice of words. "Most politically skilled" instead would apply, but that political skill was always applied towards gain for himself and his party. If he had to throw the brakes on some of his colleagues' wackier ideas, it was because he understood the game, not because he was doing it to help the other side of the aisle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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mauserme Posted March 4, 2022 at 12:12 PM Share Posted March 4, 2022 at 12:12 PM I guess it's accurate to say he was more conservative than his caucus if less progressive = more conservative. I do think it's true that he kept some bad bills in check, but not because of his "conservatism". In my opinion he did it because he knew if he let the party move too far left it would hurt them as it is on the national level, thus diminishing his power. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeffrey Posted March 4, 2022 at 02:36 PM Share Posted March 4, 2022 at 02:36 PM He was great in the sense that he was able to keep hundreds if not thousands of people to keep their mouths shut for decades. Not any slouch can manipulate people that way. Hitler was the same. Not a good person at life but regardless was a strong leader to a huge pack of sheep. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlphaKoncepts aka CGS Posted March 4, 2022 at 06:43 PM Share Posted March 4, 2022 at 06:43 PM On 3/3/2022 at 2:40 PM, Felixd said: I just read the Thursday missive from the ISRA. From my perspective as an Illinois taxpayer and shooter I find it difficult to support Richard Pearson’s praise for Mike Madigan. Perhaps all those years Pearson has spent in Springpatch has allowed him to warm up to the leftists, but when my liberties and freedom are at stake I cannot praise anyone who seeks my subservience. With statements such as, “Michael Madigan was the best Speaker of the House in any state”, because he intimidated his fellow party members, one must question the quality of leadership of the ISRA. about 75% of those weekly emails cause me to sigh and face palm. This week was no different. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billzfx4 Posted March 4, 2022 at 07:04 PM Share Posted March 4, 2022 at 07:04 PM With "friends" like them...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markthesignguy Posted March 4, 2022 at 09:37 PM Share Posted March 4, 2022 at 09:37 PM Some of the content of that missive was was no surprise. During the Wheaton Gunshow counter-demonstration I had an opportunity to converse AT LENGTH with Allen Skillicorn The width and depth of my political understandings of Illinois were substantially expanded by it. For whatever reason, Madigan rode herd on the progressives. Without him, hold on tight once they get their power struggles worked out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikew Posted March 4, 2022 at 10:36 PM Share Posted March 4, 2022 at 10:36 PM On 3/4/2022 at 3:37 PM, markthesignguy said: For whatever reason, Madigan rode herd on the progressives. Without him, hold on tight once they get their power struggles worked out. I'll give you for instance the bill intended to strip you of health insure benefits for COVD if you were not vaxxxed. Well that was so over the top that after the death threats, the sponsor tabled the bill, encouraging death threats with the next over the top bill. (happened.) I don't think would have happened under madigan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hap Posted March 7, 2022 at 12:44 AM Share Posted March 7, 2022 at 12:44 AM As an example of how things work out if you don’t have a Madigan-like figure, consider what happened to the Democrats in 1994 after Tom Foley helped get the original AWB passed. That set the stage for Newt Gingrich and the Contract with America, and basically drove a stake through any chance of health care reform. A little bit of pandering cost them their entire legislative program, from 1994 until 2009. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xwing Posted March 11, 2022 at 02:09 PM Share Posted March 11, 2022 at 02:09 PM It's true that Madigan wasn't as leftist as many in the Illinois General Assembly. He was still quite bad, but he is being replaced with even worse. 😪 This happens every time a Democrat is forced to step down or goes to prison. We all rejoice that they got their comeuppance, but the Democrat who replaces them (b/c it's always a Democrat) is much worse than the one they replace. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikew Posted March 11, 2022 at 02:27 PM Share Posted March 11, 2022 at 02:27 PM On 3/11/2022 at 8:09 AM, Xwing said: It's true that Madigan wasn't as leftist as many in the Illinois General Assembly. He was still quite bad, but he is being replaced with even worse. 😪 This happens every time a Democrat is forced to step down or goes to prison. We all rejoice that they got their comeuppance, but the Democrat who replaces them (b/c it's always a Democrat) is much worse than the one they replace. Case in point: My state senator, Tom Cullerton, resigned and pleaded guilty. His replacement? OMG, it's "all men should be castrated" Dianne Pappas. https://www.waynetownshiprepublicans.com/beinformed/meeting-representative-diane-pappas-on-house-bill-2495-the-reproductive-health-act https://www.dailyherald.com/news/20220310/pappas-named-to-replace-disgraced-cullerton-in-senate Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Felixd Posted March 13, 2022 at 11:58 PM Author Share Posted March 13, 2022 at 11:58 PM Regardless of Madigan, in the views of some as being an even keel of the Socialist Democrat boat, how appropriate is it for Mr. Pearson, supposedly representing the political opposition, to have given any comfort to the opposition? When a political party wants to make its “bones” on the elimination of a person’s civil rights why help him? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2A4Cook Posted March 14, 2022 at 12:44 AM Share Posted March 14, 2022 at 12:44 AM Well, with the state, county and city of Chicago being under the "leadership" they are now, God help middle class, White, suburban males. Discrimination against us is not only tolerated, but encouraged, and with our own tax dollars. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JDW Posted March 14, 2022 at 02:53 AM Share Posted March 14, 2022 at 02:53 AM I unsubscribed from ISRA Pearson emails about a year ago. I've never understood how his brain works. Some of the emails were so hard to take seriously, I couldn't take it any longer. What the ISRA needs is the same thing NRA needs, a complete reboot. Younger people with strong Pro 2A views and the ability to operate in the shark tank. (State and Federal Congress folks) If and when they do these reboots, I'll be an enthusiastic supporter of both organizations. Until then, I feel like they're spinning our wheels and accomplishing nothing that benefits the membership. I don't know enough about Madigan to comment on him, but what I do know is that I could never compliment him on a job well done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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