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#1 FoxtrotIndia

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Posted 30 January 2019 - 04:07 PM

Synopsis As Introduced
Amends the Criminal Code of 2012. Provides that beginning January 1, 2020, all handgun ammunition that is manufactured, imported into the State for sale or personal use, kept for sale, offered or exposed for sale, sold, given, lent, or possessed shall be serialized. Provides that beginning January 1, 2020, any person who manufactures, causes to be manufactured, imports into the State for sale or personal use, keeps for sale, offers or exposes for sale, or who gives or lends any handgun ammunition that is not serialized is guilty of a Class A misdemeanor. Provides that beginning January 1, 2020, any person who possesses in any public place any handgun ammunition that is not serialized is guilty of a Class C misdemeanor. Provides exceptions. Provides that beginning January 1, 2020, the Department of State Police shall maintain a centralized registry of all reports of handgun ammunition transactions reported to the Department in a manner prescribed by the Department. Provides that information in the registry, upon proper application for that information, shall be furnished to peace officers and authorized employees of the Department of State Police or to the person listed in the registry as the owner of the particular handgun ammunition. Provides that the Department of State Police shall adopt rules relating to the assessment and collection of end-user fees in an amount not to exceed $0.005 per round of handgun ammunition or per bullet, in which the accumulated fee amount may not exceed the cost to pay for the infrastructure, implementation, operational, enforcement, and future development costs of these provisions. Effective January 1, 2020, except some provisions effective immediately.

http://www.ilga.gov/...3&SessionID=108


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Edited by FoxtrotIndia, 30 January 2019 - 04:20 PM.


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Posted 30 January 2019 - 04:14 PM

Blah blah blah.
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Posted 30 January 2019 - 04:17 PM

Now I understand why they want to legalize weed. 


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Posted 30 January 2019 - 04:21 PM

Wow
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Posted 30 January 2019 - 04:21 PM

Last one out get the lights........
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Posted 30 January 2019 - 04:29 PM

Still needs to be fought, but this one is so idiotic that it can be beat in court. Let them keep at it, as this will get ALL gun owners ticked off regardless of political stances. Grandpa’s old .38 will no longer be fed with $22.50 per box, it’ll be $60 instead......

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Posted 30 January 2019 - 04:42 PM

Now I understand why they want to legalize weed. 

Whoever is coming up with this stuff is smoking it already.


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Posted 30 January 2019 - 04:42 PM

Now I understand why they want to legalize weed. 

Imagine the outrage if they announced every joint, bong, pipe, or all other related paraphernalia had to be serialized, registered, taxed twice, and approved by a CLEO...



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Posted 30 January 2019 - 04:50 PM

Provides that beginning January 1, 2020, any person who possesses in any public place any handgun ammunition that is not serialized is guilty of a Class C misdemeanor.

You've got a year to use up all your ammo...



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Posted 30 January 2019 - 04:50 PM

This is her third time at bat with this bill.

I don't think this bill has succeeded anywhere in the country.

 

I'd be surprised if the man flogging this is even still in business, unless bloomberg or soros is keeping him afloat, I'll look it up.

Yup, no more website, he's gone.  He also has a free blogspot page, nothing since october.

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Posted 30 January 2019 - 04:54 PM

 

Now I understand why they want to legalize weed. 

Imagine the outrage if they announced every joint, bong, pipe, or all other related paraphernalia had to be serialized, registered, taxed twice, and approved by a CLEO...

 

 

Actually to really make the tax revenue it needs to be somewhere close to that.  A tax stamp on packs (loose weed illegal) and all vapes and everything else.  With black market vapes as available as Jimmy Johns and a 1/3 of the dispensary price they are already loosing a small fortune on medical, legal will be a lot worse. 


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Posted 30 January 2019 - 04:58 PM

 

Provides that beginning January 1, 2020, any person who possesses in any public place any handgun ammunition that is not serialized is guilty of a Class C misdemeanor.

You've got a year to use up all your ammo...

 

No, it means you have a year to stock pile all you think you will ever need. Your home and privately owned land are not public places. 


Edited by mic6010, 30 January 2019 - 04:59 PM.

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Posted 30 January 2019 - 05:09 PM

How much is going to cost me to serialize my 60,000 rounds of 22 lr ammo



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Posted 30 January 2019 - 05:27 PM

The session is young, we will see some plenty stupid and egregious stuff out there.

Please don't dissect the non-logic in each bill and thus help the antigunners fix their bad bills.

Am I guilty of this too?  probably at some point.  By announcing that it looks like Ammo Coding System is belly up?  perhaps not.
 

Let's publish the basic bill info, denounce it as stupid, and move along.



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Posted 30 January 2019 - 05:31 PM

LOL!!!!   They are just trolling us now....



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Posted 30 January 2019 - 05:47 PM

Synopsis As Introduced
Amends the Criminal Code of 2012. Provides that beginning January 1, 2020, all handgun ammunition that is manufactured, imported into the State for sale or personal use, kept for sale, offered or exposed for sale, sold, given, lent, or possessed shall be serialized. Provides that beginning January 1, 2020, any person who manufactures, causes to be manufactured, imports into the State for sale or personal use, keeps for sale, offers or exposes for sale, or who gives or lends any handgun ammunition that is not serialized is guilty of a Class A misdemeanor. Provides that beginning January 1, 2020, any person who possesses in any public place any handgun ammunition that is not serialized is guilty of a Class C misdemeanor. Provides exceptions. Provides that beginning January 1, 2020, the Department of State Police shall maintain a centralized registry of all reports of handgun ammunition transactions reported to the Department in a manner prescribed by the Department. Provides that information in the registry, upon proper application for that information, shall be furnished to peace officers and authorized employees of the Department of State Police or to the person listed in the registry as the owner of the particular handgun ammunition. Provides that the Department of State Police shall adopt rules relating to the assessment and collection of end-user fees in an amount not to exceed $0.005 per round of handgun ammunition or per bullet, in which the accumulated fee amount may not exceed the cost to pay for the infrastructure, implementation, operational, enforcement, and future development costs of these provisions. Effective January 1, 2020, except some provisions effective immediately.

http://www.ilga.gov/...3&SessionID=108


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Well done, great first post and welcome aboard !!!!



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Posted 30 January 2019 - 05:49 PM

...
Also, I hope this is an acceptable first post.  I've heard of Illinois Carry for a long time, but finally joined up after hearing Mickey on the Higher Line Podcast.  After hearing all that she / y'all have done, I'm hoping I can help out in some way as well.


Thanks for bringing it to our attention!

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Posted 30 January 2019 - 05:52 PM

The Marxist / liberal Dummycrats are in a frenzy to get their lips pressed against Bloombergs wrinkled up old ***. 



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Posted 30 January 2019 - 06:48 PM

LOL!!!!   They are just trolling us now....


That's what I thought when they came out with the social media bill, trolling and intimidating people from exercising their 1st amendment rights. That pesky 1st Amendment they are trying to make worthless like the 2nd Amendment prevents them.
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Posted 30 January 2019 - 07:09 PM

Bloomberg strikes again.


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Posted 30 January 2019 - 07:39 PM

( c ) Beginning January 1, 2020, and except as provided in
subsection (g-15) of Section 24-2, a person commits unlawful
possession of non-serialized handgun ammunition when he or she
knowingly possesses non-serialized ammunition for a rifle
having one or more barrels less than 16 inches in length or a
shotgun having one or more barrels less than 18 inches in
length or any weapon made from a rifle or shotgun, whether by
alteration, modification, or otherwise, if the weapon as
modified has an overall length of less than 26 inches. A
violation of this subsection is a Class C misdemeanor.

 
SBR owners get shafted too, I bet it applies to those AK/AR handguns too
 
 
 
Also, they give us 15 years to use up our stockpiled ammo

(g-15) Subsections 24-1.10 (a) and 24-1.10 ( B ) do not apply to or affect any of the following:

    (11) Possession of non-serialized handgun ammunition
by a person issued a concealed carry license by the
Department of State Police under the Firearm Concealed
Carry Act or issued a Firearm Owner's Identification Card
by the Department under the Firearm Owners Identification
Card Act on his or her person, in a firearm, or in a
vehicle for 15 years after the effective date of this
amendatory Act of the 101st General Assembly.


Edited by defaultdotxbe, 30 January 2019 - 07:41 PM.

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Posted 30 January 2019 - 09:13 PM

Why is it we always seem to be on the defensive?  Why aren't we trying to repeal the NFA, or allow silencers, or pass laws against any firearm infringement otherwise it's a felony, etc...?



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Posted 30 January 2019 - 09:19 PM

My ammo already has serial numbers, the most popular serial number for my ammo is 12GA, 9MM, 40S&W, 45ACP, 5,56MM and 223REM 


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Posted 30 January 2019 - 09:23 PM

( c ) Beginning January 1, 2020, and except as provided insubsection (g-15) of Section 24-2, a person commits unlawfulpossession of non-serialized handgun ammunition when he or sheknowingly possesses non-serialized ammunition for a riflehaving one or more barrels less than 16 inches in length or ashotgun having one or more barrels less than 18 inches inlength or any weapon made from a rifle or shotgun, whether byalteration, modification, or otherwise, if the weapon asmodified has an overall length of less than 26 inches. Aviolation of this subsection is a Class C misdemeanor.

 SBR owners get shafted too, I bet it applies to those AK/AR handguns too   Also, they give us 15 years to use up our stockpiled ammo

(g-15) Subsections 24-1.10 (a) and 24-1.10 ( B ) do not apply to or affect any of the following:    (11) Possession of non-serialized handgun ammunitionby a person issued a concealed carry license by theDepartment of State Police under the Firearm ConcealedCarry Act or issued a Firearm Owner's Identification Cardby the Department under the Firearm Owners IdentificationCard Act on his or her person, in a firearm, or in avehicle for 15 years after the effective date of thisamendatory Act of the 101st General Assembly.


All in an attempt to get us to use up our supply now so we are defenseless. They have plans for us, thats for sure

Edited by steveTA1983, 30 January 2019 - 09:23 PM.


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Posted 30 January 2019 - 09:29 PM

Why is it we always seem to be on the defensive?  Why aren't we trying to repeal the NFA, or allow silencers, or pass laws against any firearm infringement otherwise it's a felony, etc...?

There are many people trying, Gunowners of America is trying to fight NFA nonsense in court right now and Second Amendment Foundation is also doing all they can. States like South Dakota are about to become Constitutional carry and many places are loosening restrictions. It's hard to see it all while in Illinois because we have a Marxist nanny state regime running everything, about 90% of Illinois gun owners are dead weight and refuse to join the fight ( they will sometimes ask why we didn't do more and then go back to sleep ), and about 60 to 70 % of Illinois residents are tax loving sheep who think those sucking the life out of them are the people to vote for over and over again.



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Posted 30 January 2019 - 09:39 PM

 

( c ) Beginning January 1, 2020, and except as provided in
subsection (g-15) of Section 24-2, a person commits unlawful
possession of non-serialized handgun ammunition when he or she
knowingly possesses non-serialized ammunition for a rifle
having one or more barrels less than 16 inches in length or a
shotgun having one or more barrels less than 18 inches in
length or any weapon made from a rifle or shotgun, whether by
alteration, modification, or otherwise, if the weapon as
modified has an overall length of less than 26 inches. A
violation of this subsection is a Class C misdemeanor.

 
SBR owners get shafted too, I bet it applies to those AK/AR handguns too
 
 
 
Also, they give us 15 years to use up our stockpiled ammo

(g-15) Subsections 24-1.10 (a) and 24-1.10 ( B ) do not apply to or affect any of the following:

    (11) Possession of non-serialized handgun ammunition
by a person issued a concealed carry license by the
Department of State Police under the Firearm Concealed
Carry Act or issued a Firearm Owner's Identification Card
by the Department under the Firearm Owners Identification
Card Act on his or her person, in a firearm, or in a
vehicle for 15 years after the effective date of this
amendatory Act of the 101st General Assembly.

 

Wouldn't this also apply to Mossberg Shockwave and the Remington TAC 14 ? Although neither was ever a shotgun just like an AR or AK pistol was never a rifle ? I don't think it matters to the freedom haters.



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Posted 30 January 2019 - 10:53 PM

Why is it we always seem to be on the defensive?  Why aren't we trying to repeal the NFA, or allow silencers, or pass laws against any firearm infringement otherwise it's a felony, etc...?

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Posted 30 January 2019 - 10:56 PM

Provides that beginning January 1, 2020, any person who possesses in any public place any handgun ammunition that is not serialized is guilty of a Class C misdemeanor.


You've got a year to use up all your ammo...


It'll take me much longer than that....I buy a box every time a politician lies.....
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Posted 30 January 2019 - 11:57 PM

I don't want to give away hints to make the bill better, but the bill is so stupid and full of holes that whomever wrote has clearly never picked up a firearm. 



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Posted 31 January 2019 - 01:33 AM

Still needs to be fought, but this one is so idiotic that it can be beat in court. Let them keep at it, as this will get ALL gun owners ticked off regardless of political stances. Grandpa’s old .38 will no longer be fed with $22.50 per box, it’ll be $60 instead......


I am guessing that part of their plan is to cause groups to spend money to fight the stupidity at an attempt to financially harm said groups. These people are wackos no doubt. But someone put an X by their name and voted for them. I guess those people are just as stupid.
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