MRE Posted June 16, 2021 at 06:09 PM Posted June 16, 2021 at 06:09 PM Guzzardi gave no guarantee that he’ll vote yes on the floor. As I said earlier, this bill will not placate gun control groups or prevent the “rest of the bad” from being pushed through next Spring. The ISRA is being played like an out of tune fiddle.
mauserme Posted June 16, 2021 at 06:10 PM Author Posted June 16, 2021 at 06:10 PM The House is coming to order. 111 members are present.
mauserme Posted June 16, 2021 at 06:14 PM Author Posted June 16, 2021 at 06:14 PM The House is in a 1 hour recess for a Republican caucus.
MRE Posted June 16, 2021 at 06:16 PM Posted June 16, 2021 at 06:16 PM Guzzardi gave no guarantee that heck vote yes on the floor. As I said earlier, this bill will not placate gun control groups or prevent the rest of the bad from being pushed through next Spring. The ISRA is being played like an out of tune fiddle.And, make no mistake, Pritzker and Kelly absolutely want mandatory fingerprints and private transactions through FFLs. Heck they were pushing for $50/5 year cards just two years ago. Theyre building to that, and will be back. Neither are friends of gun owners or gun rights, no matter how many flowers people want to throw at their feet now for hard work (/s) and compromise (/s). They have just simply chosen a path of incrementalism instead of all at once. Death by a thousand cuts.
StreuB1 Posted June 16, 2021 at 06:18 PM Posted June 16, 2021 at 06:18 PM Guzzardi gave no guarantee that heck vote yes on the floor. As I said earlier, this bill will not placate gun control groups or prevent the rest of the bad from being pushed through next Spring. The ISRA is being played like an out of tune fiddle.And, make no mistake, Pritzker and Kelly absolutely want mandatory fingerprints and private transactions through FFLs. Heck they were pushing for $50/5 year cards just two years ago. Theyre building to that, and will be back. Neither are friends of gun owners or gun rights, no matter how many flowers people want to throw at their feet now for hard work and compromise. They have just simply chosen a path of incrementalism instead of all at once. Death by a thousand cuts. You are 1000% correct. This is the same thing we have been preaching for years. They are committed to the long game.
InterestedBystander Posted June 16, 2021 at 06:18 PM Posted June 16, 2021 at 06:18 PM I came into hearing late. Did I hear that they want all card transactions to occur in an ISP office? Do they understand how many few facilities there are and how long it could take people to get to one?
cls74 Posted June 16, 2021 at 06:21 PM Posted June 16, 2021 at 06:21 PM So what happens if an FFL with hundreds of records held has a fire or some other unfortunate mishap? What happens if an FFL no longer wishes to be an FFL. How do the buyers and sellers get notified and who's responsible for getting them to another FFL? To me, all this bill wants to do is end what private FFL's still exist and make ISP the defacto records keeper, cough registration, and transferer of the firearm.
TRJ Posted June 16, 2021 at 06:30 PM Posted June 16, 2021 at 06:30 PM The effect is likely going to be the end of private sales. By design of course.
EdDinIL Posted June 16, 2021 at 06:32 PM Posted June 16, 2021 at 06:32 PM The effect is likely going to be the end of private sales. By design of course.Legal private sales. Illegal sales will carry on unabated, and of course we'll get the blame for it, so we'll need mandatory fingerprints.
springfield shooter Posted June 16, 2021 at 06:39 PM Posted June 16, 2021 at 06:39 PM The effect is likely going to be the end of private sales. By design of course.Legal private sales. Illegal sales will carry on unabated....... NO WAY......I'm sure they expect this legislation to fix all that.
mauserme Posted June 16, 2021 at 07:14 PM Author Posted June 16, 2021 at 07:14 PM House Supplemental Calendar 1 is available.
papa Posted June 16, 2021 at 07:31 PM Posted June 16, 2021 at 07:31 PM Mr. Hoffman says negotiations were completed in the Senate between gun control organizations and the ISRA. I can't say what I want to about this because I don't want Molly B put knots on my head . All I can say is " bad words , bad words , bad words " .
davel501 Posted June 16, 2021 at 08:17 PM Posted June 16, 2021 at 08:17 PM I can't help but shake my head at all of this. They could arrest every legal firearm owner and throw us all in a bottomless pit to keep the world safe from us and it will not change the crime rate in Chicago a single bit. The politicians are choosing to shift blame rather than own the fact that they and their predecessors created the conditions that led to the situation we are in now. Until they own their role in this nothing is going to change. They need to realize that the best form of gun control is not needing a gun.
mauserme Posted June 16, 2021 at 08:23 PM Author Posted June 16, 2021 at 08:23 PM The House is back, taking up HR391 to allow remote participation.
papa Posted June 16, 2021 at 08:27 PM Posted June 16, 2021 at 08:27 PM I can't help but shake my head at all of this. They could arrest every legal firearm owner and throw us all in a bottomless pit to keep the world safe from us and it will not change the crime rate in Chicago a single bit. The politicians are choosing to shift blame rather than own the fact that they and their predecessors created the conditions that led to the situation we are in now. Until they own their role in this nothing is going to change. They need to realize that the best form of gun control is not needing a gun. Non of this is about stopping crime. It is about controlling us period. They can't control us as long as we have firearms , thus the reason to slowly but surely implement these " gun laws " .
steveTA84 Posted June 16, 2021 at 08:33 PM Posted June 16, 2021 at 08:33 PM I can't help but shake my head at all of this. They could arrest every legal firearm owner and throw us all in a bottomless pit to keep the world safe from us and it will not change the crime rate in Chicago a single bit. The politicians are choosing to shift blame rather than own the fact that they and their predecessors created the conditions that led to the situation we are in now. Until they own their role in this nothing is going to change. They need to realize that the best form of gun control is not needing a gun. Non of this is about stopping crime. It is about controlling us period. They can't control us as long as we have firearms , thus the reason to slowly but surely implement these " gun laws " .Not to mention that this was supposed to be an experiment, yet 50+ years later, we still have it (it failed btw)
mauserme Posted June 16, 2021 at 08:43 PM Author Posted June 16, 2021 at 08:43 PM HR391 is adopted 66/45/0, allowing remote participation during floor debate that occurs before the first day of the 2021 Veto Session. The sponsor immediately moves to allow remote participation by about half a dozen House members.
mauserme Posted June 16, 2021 at 08:51 PM Author Posted June 16, 2021 at 08:51 PM Representatives Crespo, Harper, Lilly, Niemerg, and Sosnowski have answered the remote roll. Representative Cassidy did not answer. Representative Tarver may have made his way into the chamber.
mauserme Posted June 16, 2021 at 09:07 PM Author Posted June 16, 2021 at 09:07 PM Several concurrences were just skipped, including HB562 and HB1092.
mauserme Posted June 16, 2021 at 09:08 PM Author Posted June 16, 2021 at 09:08 PM They are now on the SB2800 amendatory veto. This may take a while.
MRE Posted June 16, 2021 at 09:09 PM Posted June 16, 2021 at 09:09 PM They are now on the SB2800 amendatory veto. This may take a while.One would think they would be done after this. But, you never know
mauserme Posted June 16, 2021 at 09:10 PM Author Posted June 16, 2021 at 09:10 PM WHAT the heck just happened? They skipped the concurrence votes on Page 3 and the top of Page 4 of the regular calendar. They could move back to them.
MRE Posted June 16, 2021 at 09:11 PM Posted June 16, 2021 at 09:11 PM WHAT the heck just happened?If it isn’t called, my guess would be the pro gun control Reps were not going to vote for it (as hinted at in Committee),and they were short on votes for an immediate effective date. But, we’ll see
EdDinIL Posted June 16, 2021 at 09:12 PM Posted June 16, 2021 at 09:12 PM Other than the two concurrence votes that concern us and the budget resolution, is there anything else on the calendar that might bring up standard debate and a contested vote?
mauserme Posted June 16, 2021 at 09:16 PM Author Posted June 16, 2021 at 09:16 PM Other than the two concurrence votes that concern us and the budget resolution, is there anything else on the calendar that might bring up standard debate and a contested vote? Off the top of my head I don't know.
Euler Posted June 16, 2021 at 09:32 PM Posted June 16, 2021 at 09:32 PM WHAT the heck just happened? If it isn’t called, my guess would be the pro gun control Reps were not going to vote for it (as hinted at in Committee), and they were short on votes for an immediate effective date. But, we’ll see So if they can't get 100% of what they want, they won't accept 95% of it for free. I guess it takes the Moms to make the ISRA look good in this.
MRE Posted June 16, 2021 at 09:35 PM Posted June 16, 2021 at 09:35 PM WHAT the heck just happened?If it isn’t called, my guess would be the pro gun control Reps were not going to vote for it (as hinted at in Committee),and they were short on votes for an immediate effective date. But, we’ll seeSo if they can't get 100% of what they want, they won't accept 95% of it for free. I guess it takes the Moms to make the ISRA look good in this.Logistically speaking, if they can’t get 71 today, it wouldn’t be effective until next summer. So, from their point of view it might be preferrable to make another run at *their* bill through next Spring. In terms of timing, it wouldn’t matter if they pass a bill next Spring with an immediate effective date. We’ll see.
mauserme Posted June 16, 2021 at 09:37 PM Author Posted June 16, 2021 at 09:37 PM Back to concurrences now.
steveTA84 Posted June 16, 2021 at 09:39 PM Posted June 16, 2021 at 09:39 PM If the antis in the legislature vote no and 562 dies for now, it’s good for us all. It shows how unreasonable they are. That said, IF this happens, the ISRA doesn’t get a free pass. It wasn’t their intent. They got lucky (if it doesn’t pass)
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