Illinois General Assembly 6/16/2021

[MRE]

Guzzardi gave no guarantee that he’ll vote yes on the floor. As I said earlier, this bill will not placate gun control groups or prevent the “rest of the bad” from being pushed through next Spring. The ISRA is being played like an out of tune fiddle.

[mauserme]

The House is coming to order.

 

111 members are present.

[mauserme]

The House is in a 1 hour recess for a Republican caucus.

[MRE]

Guzzardi gave no guarantee that heck vote yes on the floor. As I said earlier, this bill will not placate gun control groups or prevent the rest of the bad from being pushed through next Spring. The ISRA is being played like an out of tune fiddle.

And, make no mistake, Pritzker and Kelly absolutely want mandatory fingerprints and private transactions through FFLs. Heck they were pushing for $50/5 year cards just two years ago. Theyre building to that, and will be back. Neither are friends of gun owners or gun rights, no matter how many flowers people want to throw at their feet now for hard work (/s) and compromise (/s). They have just simply chosen a path of incrementalism instead of all at once. Death by a thousand cuts.

Edited June 16, 2021 at 06:18 PM by MRE

[StreuB1]

 

Guzzardi gave no guarantee that heck vote yes on the floor. As I said earlier, this bill will not placate gun control groups or prevent the rest of the bad from being pushed through next Spring. The ISRA is being played like an out of tune fiddle.

And, make no mistake, Pritzker and Kelly absolutely want mandatory fingerprints and private transactions through FFLs. Heck they were pushing for $50/5 year cards just two years ago. Theyre building to that, and will be back. Neither are friends of gun owners or gun rights, no matter how many flowers people want to throw at their feet now for hard work and compromise. They have just simply chosen a path of incrementalism instead of all at once. Death by a thousand cuts.

 

 

You are 1000% correct. This is the same thing we have been preaching for years. They are committed to the long game.

[InterestedBystander]

I came into hearing late. Did I hear that they want all card transactions to occur in an ISP office? Do they understand how many few facilities there are and how long it could take people to get to one?

[cls74]

So what happens if an FFL with hundreds of records held has a fire or some other unfortunate mishap? What happens if an FFL no longer wishes to be an FFL. How do the buyers and sellers get notified and who's responsible for getting them to another FFL?

 

 

To me, all this bill wants to do is end what private FFL's still exist and make ISP the defacto records keeper, cough registration, and transferer of the firearm.

[TRJ]

The effect is likely going to be the end of private sales. By design of course.

[EdDinIL]

The effect is likely going to be the end of private sales. By design of course.

Legal private sales. Illegal sales will carry on unabated, and of course we'll get the blame for it, so we'll need mandatory fingerprints.

[springfield shooter]

 

The effect is likely going to be the end of private sales. By design of course.

Legal private sales. Illegal sales will carry on unabated.......

 

 

NO WAY......I'm sure they expect this legislation to fix all that.

Edited June 16, 2021 at 07:53 PM by springfield shooter

[mauserme]

House Supplemental Calendar 1 is available.

[papa]

Mr. Hoffman says negotiations were completed in the Senate between gun control organizations and the ISRA.

 

I can't say what I want to about this because I don't want Molly B put knots on my head . All I can say is " bad words , bad words , bad words " .

Edited June 16, 2021 at 07:34 PM by papa

[davel501]

I can't help but shake my head at all of this. They could arrest every legal firearm owner and throw us all in a bottomless pit to keep the world safe from us and it will not change the crime rate in Chicago a single bit. The politicians are choosing to shift blame rather than own the fact that they and their predecessors created the conditions that led to the situation we are in now. Until they own their role in this nothing is going to change.

 

They need to realize that the best form of gun control is not needing a gun.

[mauserme]

The House is back, taking up HR391 to allow remote participation.

[papa]

I can't help but shake my head at all of this. They could arrest every legal firearm owner and throw us all in a bottomless pit to keep the world safe from us and it will not change the crime rate in Chicago a single bit. The politicians are choosing to shift blame rather than own the fact that they and their predecessors created the conditions that led to the situation we are in now. Until they own their role in this nothing is going to change.

 

They need to realize that the best form of gun control is not needing a gun.

 

Non of this is about stopping crime. It is about controlling us period. They can't control us as long as we have firearms , thus the reason to slowly but surely implement these " gun laws " .

[steveTA84]

 

I can't help but shake my head at all of this. They could arrest every legal firearm owner and throw us all in a bottomless pit to keep the world safe from us and it will not change the crime rate in Chicago a single bit. The politicians are choosing to shift blame rather than own the fact that they and their predecessors created the conditions that led to the situation we are in now. Until they own their role in this nothing is going to change.

 

They need to realize that the best form of gun control is not needing a gun.

 

Non of this is about stopping crime. It is about controlling us period. They can't control us as long as we have firearms , thus the reason to slowly but surely implement these " gun laws " .

Not to mention that this was supposed to be an experiment, yet 50+ years later, we still have it (it failed btw)

[mauserme]

HR391 is adopted 66/45/0, allowing remote participation during floor debate that occurs before the first day of the 2021 Veto Session.

 

The sponsor immediately moves to allow remote participation by about half a dozen House members.

[mauserme]

Representatives Crespo, Harper, Lilly, Niemerg, and Sosnowski have answered the remote roll.

 

Representative Cassidy did not answer.

 

Representative Tarver may have made his way into the chamber.

[mauserme]

Several concurrences were just skipped, including HB562 and HB1092.

[mauserme]

They are now on the SB2800 amendatory veto. This may take a while.

[TRJ]

WHAT the heck just happened?

[MRE]

They are now on the SB2800 amendatory veto. This may take a while.

One would think they would be done after this. But, you never know

[mauserme]

WHAT the heck just happened?

They skipped the concurrence votes on Page 3 and the top of Page 4 of the regular calendar.

 

They could move back to them.

[MRE]

WHAT the heck just happened?

If it isn’t called, my guess would be the pro gun control Reps were not going to vote for it (as hinted at in Committee),

and they were short on votes for an immediate effective date. But, we’ll see

[EdDinIL]

Other than the two concurrence votes that concern us and the budget resolution, is there anything else on the calendar that might bring up standard debate and a contested vote?

[mauserme]

Other than the two concurrence votes that concern us and the budget resolution, is there anything else on the calendar that might bring up standard debate and a contested vote?

Off the top of my head I don't know.

[Euler]

 

WHAT the heck just happened?

If it isn’t called, my guess would be the pro gun control Reps were not going to vote for it (as hinted at in Committee),

and they were short on votes for an immediate effective date. But, we’ll see

 

So if they can't get 100% of what they want, they won't accept 95% of it for free. I guess it takes the Moms to make the ISRA look good in this.

[MRE]

 

 

WHAT the heck just happened?

If it isn’t called, my guess would be the pro gun control Reps were not going to vote for it (as hinted at in Committee),and they were short on votes for an immediate effective date. But, we’ll see

So if they can't get 100% of what they want, they won't accept 95% of it for free. I guess it takes the Moms to make the ISRA look good in this.

Logistically speaking, if they can’t get 71 today, it wouldn’t be effective until next summer. So, from their point of view it might be preferrable to make another run at *their* bill through next Spring. In terms of timing, it wouldn’t matter if they pass a bill next Spring with an immediate effective date. We’ll see.

[mauserme]

Back to concurrences now.

[steveTA84]

If the antis in the legislature vote no and 562 dies for now, it’s good for us all. It shows how unreasonable they are. That said, IF this happens, the ISRA doesn’t get a free pass. It wasn’t their intent. They got lucky (if it doesn’t pass)