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#1 InterestedBystander

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Posted 19 October 2019 - 11:29 AM

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Gun owners plan rally for start of fall legislative session to oppose fingerprinting measure

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...Gun owners from around the state plan to remind Illinois lawmakers about their opposition to a measure that would require those seeking a Firearm Owners Identification card to submit fingerprints on the first day of the fall legislative session.

Lawmakers return to Springfield on Oct. 28 for the first three days of the veto session. State Rifle Association Executive Director Richard Pearson said he expects it to be a busy session with a lot of different issues coming up. The association will focus on Senate Bill 1966, a measure that would increase fees for Firearm Owner Identification cards.

Depending on where you are in the state, it drives up the cost between $200 to $300 for every five years so it becomes cost-prohibitive for the law-abiding firearm owner to do this, Pearson said.


The measure would also require FOID applicants to provide fingerprints at the applicant's expense.

Remember the Second Amendment is a fundamental right, Pearson said. Theres no other fundamental right that requires fingerprinting or anything even close.

Supporters of the measure have said fingerprinting is necessary to ensure people applying for a FOID card are allowed to have one. Sponsors of the measure said the fingerprinting mandate is needed to address loopholes in the system that led to a convicted felon from Mississippi getting a FOID card in Illinois, and buying a gun. That man killed five people at an Aurora warehouse in February even after his FOID card was revoked. State police revoked his FOID card after they discovered his felony conviction, which he had lied about on his initial application.

The bill has already passed the House. It is a Senate vote away from the governors desk.

Its down to the point where it just takes one vote in the Senate for this bill to become law and so we cant take a chance on not being there, Pearson said.

Gov. J.B. Pritzker has said he supports requiring fingerprints for FOID applications.

"It helps, it really does, we've got to be able to identify those FOID cardholders," the governor said in September....


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Posted 19 October 2019 - 12:28 PM

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Posted 19 October 2019 - 03:53 PM

"It helps, it really does, we've got to be able to identify those FOID cardholders," the governor said in September....

 

That statement by the gov is so pathetically stupid.  You've got to be able to identify those NON-FOID cardholders.  THEY are the criminals.   OMG I'm glad to be outta there.


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Posted 19 October 2019 - 05:29 PM

"It helps, it really does, we've got to be able to identify those FOID cardholders," the governor said in September....
 
That statement by the gov is so pathetically stupid.  You've got to be able to identify those NON-FOID cardholders.  THEY are the criminals.   OMG I'm glad to be outta there.



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Posted 19 October 2019 - 05:55 PM

 

"It helps, it really does, we've got to be able to identify those FOID cardholders," the governor said in September....
 
That statement by the gov is so pathetically stupid.  You've got to be able to identify those NON-FOID cardholders.  THEY are the criminals.   OMG I'm glad to be outta there.



Thanks for that

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Yes, but graft and favors cannot be granted from the non-existent funds from non-existing FOID holders. Maybe he can fix his toiets from the skim of the law abiding FOID holders.F-Pritzker, F-Ilinois and Raoul and Willis and Munoz and....


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Posted 19 October 2019 - 07:54 PM

What are the possibilities for filing a "class action" lawsuit against "Jabba" et al. if this boondoggle gets signed?  Restrictions of a Constitutional right, excessive & inordinate "fees" (aka a "poll" tax), and I don't know what else.


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Posted 19 October 2019 - 08:29 PM

What are the possibilities for filing a "class action" lawsuit against "Jabba" et al. if this boondoggle gets signed?  Restrictions of a Constitutional right, excessive & inordinate "fees" (aka a "poll" tax), and I don't know what else.



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Posted 20 October 2019 - 07:59 AM

High fees constitute infringement.

 

The way he phrased that, "we've got to be able to identify those FOID cardholders" shows that he perceives FOID holders with contempt.


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Posted 20 October 2019 - 10:02 AM

It will pass. Consider it a gift of more future law suits and the dodging of a gun ban while jabba is governor. They would prefer a gun ban, this gives them a win and if it upsets poor people they don't care.
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Posted 20 October 2019 - 07:35 PM

Consider this a gift. They are just giving us more ammo to show FOID infringes on our right and making the FOID Act become NULL and VOID.
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Posted 20 October 2019 - 07:43 PM

What are the possibilities for filing a "class action" lawsuit against "Jabba" et al. if this boondoggle gets signed?  Restrictions of a Constitutional right, excessive & inordinate "fees" (aka a "poll" tax), and I don't know what else.


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Posted 21 October 2019 - 08:09 AM

My latest round of personal information being compromised ( of at least 4 all by government entities) included my fingerprints. I was fingerprinted for a job which gave me access to all kinds of personal information including SSN information which is why I needed to be fingerprinted. It was a job requirement at the time.  No longer work there and newer hires before I left did not have this requirement.  What does this have to do with FOID? 1. Security of course 2. several government agencies already have my fingerprints for different work required security/background reasons so why does FOID need them too?

 

 


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Posted 21 October 2019 - 01:15 PM

Fingerprints required to vote in the Dumbocrat primary!!

We've GOT to be able to identify those Dumbocrats!

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Posted 21 October 2019 - 01:35 PM

Fingerprints required to vote in the Dumbocrat primary!!

We've GOT to be able to identify those Dumbocrats!

Illegals are exempt though


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Posted 21 October 2019 - 02:02 PM

"It helps, it really does, we've got to be able to identify those FOID cardholders," the governor said in September....
 
That statement by the gov is so pathetically stupid.  You've got to be able to identify those NON-FOID cardholders.  THEY are the criminals.   OMG I'm glad to be outta there.


Don't they identify and background check the FOID cardholders every 24 hours?
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Posted 21 October 2019 - 02:05 PM

It will pass. Consider it a gift of more future law suits and the dodging of a gun ban while jabba is governor. They would prefer a gun ban, this gives them a win and if it upsets poor people they don't care.


Aren't poor people their constituents which they say they care about?
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Posted 21 October 2019 - 02:29 PM

Aren't poor people their constituents which they say they care about?

You must be new to Illinois politics. :-)

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Stung by the result of McDonald v. City of Chicago, 130 S. Ct. 3020 (2010), the City quickly enacted an ordinance that was too clever by half. Recognizing that a complete gun ban would no longer survive Supreme Court review, the City required all gun owners to obtain training that included one hour of live‐range instruction, and then banned all live ranges within City limits. This was not so much a nod to the importance of live‐range training as it was a thumbing of the municipal nose at the Supreme Court.

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Posted 21 October 2019 - 02:35 PM

someone needs to get the word out a little better on this. I stay pretty well informed and am only starting to hear small bits of info on it, mostly from "the opposition".


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Posted 21 October 2019 - 04:40 PM

My latest round of personal information being compromised ( of at least 4 all by government entities) included my fingerprints. I was fingerprinted for a job which gave me access to all kinds of personal information including SSN information which is why I needed to be fingerprinted. It was a job requirement at the time.  No longer work there and newer hires before I left did not have this requirement.  What does this have to do with FOID? 1. Security of course 2. several government agencies already have my fingerprints for different work required security/background reasons so why does FOID need them too?

 

 

 

I was fingerprinted when I joined the Army do they not do that anymore ?


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Posted 21 October 2019 - 09:30 PM

Aren't poor people their constituents which they say they care about?

You must be new to Illinois politics. :-)

I know they're corrupt :-)
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Posted 22 October 2019 - 12:10 AM

why does FOID need them too?

 

Because we as gun owners have become complacent with 'compromise' this has allowed them to infringe upon the right at every turn to limit the right and they will keep infringing until the right is gone one piece at a time, that is their goal.  Barrier after barrier, prohibition after prohibition, fees and more fees, it's them chipping away at the right.


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Posted 22 October 2019 - 01:35 PM

someone needs to get the word out a little better on this. I stay pretty well informed and am only starting to hear small bits of info on it, mostly from "the opposition".

 

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