2smartby1/2 Posted September 15, 2023 at 04:39 PM Posted September 15, 2023 at 04:39 PM On 9/15/2023 at 8:18 AM, steveTA84 said: And then we have everything post-decision in the recusal thread that can be used as well. why no lawyers are using that stuff (yet) is beyond me. The case could be made that the ruling was tainted, and the evidence is there to back it up beyond a reasonable doubt. He could work the way up to presenting that to the ILSC. Wouldn’t that be a s**t show for the ages lol, and we would win, because if they didn’t rule in favor, yet another lawyer besides Stocks who could appeal to SCOTUS on Caperton ruling grounds, especially since the MDA event after being seated and also the Lake County Dem party event last weekend, we have a pattern of partisan activity that raises doubt of the integrity of the justice that ruled on the law. I think Tom is being more calculated though, going through the motions. I think if he had to, he’d go all in and go that route. Like the guy it noted he does fight and does get results Yeah, I think he is saving that as a last ditch option if need be. He's playing nice with the courts right now, and will leave that route to someone else....at least for the moment.
Illinois Sucks Posted September 15, 2023 at 05:48 PM Posted September 15, 2023 at 05:48 PM On 9/15/2023 at 11:39 AM, 2smartby1/2 said: Yeah, I think he is saving that as a last ditch option if need be. He's playing nice with the courts right now, and will leave that route to someone else....at least for the moment. I swear he mentioned in a video that he was not wanting to go down that route. Perhaps it opens up a can of worms that neither side wants to? But, he may be keeping it in the bag in case everything else falls through.
steveTA84 Posted September 15, 2023 at 06:52 PM Author Posted September 15, 2023 at 06:52 PM (edited) On 9/15/2023 at 12:48 PM, Illinois Sucks said: I swear he mentioned in a video that he was not wanting to go down that route. Perhaps it opens up a can of worms that neither side wants to? But, he may be keeping it in the bag in case everything else falls through. Rochford did it to herself by being an idiot and doing these activities and allowing herself to be photographed doing so by the people and groups like MDA. This isn’t even a deep dive and is all found on Facebook with a simple keyword search. I’m hoping it’s a nuclear option, cuz it’s a winning option, and we gotta play to win. If all is said and done, the courts say “no”, and then it’s dropped, clients should be ticked off IMO, and I’m a client myself. Her ruling is compromised well beyond reasonable doubt, and this is a legit opportunity to remedy that. Come 1/1/24 if the fed cases are still in play and this route is if ignored, people should be mad and asking questions why it wasn’t used. Time will tell though Edited September 15, 2023 at 06:59 PM by steveTA84
Tip Posted September 15, 2023 at 07:47 PM Posted September 15, 2023 at 07:47 PM You can rest assured that if the roles were reversed the antis would be all over this like a fly on….
steveTA84 Posted September 15, 2023 at 08:16 PM Author Posted September 15, 2023 at 08:16 PM On 9/15/2023 at 2:47 PM, Tip said: You can rest assured that if the roles were reversed the antis would be all over this like a fly on…. Exactly, and that’s the frustrating part. That said, it can be done at any time (get misconduct is now documented and isn’t going away), so we just gotta see what happens. I do have a route we can all go without DeVore or Stocks, but that’s if they don’t use what’s been handed to them on a silver platter
steveTA84 Posted September 18, 2023 at 02:39 PM Author Posted September 18, 2023 at 02:39 PM (edited) Watched DeVore’s update last night. He’s ready to take this to the ILSC (by going through the lower courts first), which leads me to believe he’s got a plan for that Edited September 18, 2023 at 02:39 PM by steveTA84
davel501 Posted September 18, 2023 at 02:44 PM Posted September 18, 2023 at 02:44 PM I mean....he's got this thing and it's f'n golden. The power he now wields is a beautiful thing.
Yeti Posted September 18, 2023 at 03:01 PM Posted September 18, 2023 at 03:01 PM On 9/18/2023 at 9:39 AM, steveTA84 said: Watched DeVore’s update last night. He’s ready to take this to the ILSC (by going through the lower courts first), which leads me to believe he’s got a plan for that That’s all good but he’s burning daylight. It’s closer to October than August and a lot of soon-to-be “felons by pompous decree” have to decide what to do with their formerly-legal inert objects or decide if they need to pick up and leave this awful political environment.
Molly B. Posted September 18, 2023 at 03:17 PM Posted September 18, 2023 at 03:17 PM Jan 1, 2024 is the line of demarcation in the law. Oct 2023 is when ISP is supposed to have the registration portal available and the emergency rules to do that have not even been published yet.
solareclipse2 Posted September 18, 2023 at 03:46 PM Posted September 18, 2023 at 03:46 PM On 9/18/2023 at 10:17 AM, Molly B. said: Jan 1, 2024 is the line of demarcation in the law. Oct 2023 is when ISP is supposed to have the registration portal available and the emergency rules to do that have not even been published yet. so we're not criminals until January?
Molly B. Posted September 18, 2023 at 03:48 PM Posted September 18, 2023 at 03:48 PM On 9/18/2023 at 10:46 AM, solareclipse2 said: so we're not criminals until January? That's my assessment.
Jeffrey Posted September 18, 2023 at 03:51 PM Posted September 18, 2023 at 03:51 PM On 9/18/2023 at 10:46 AM, solareclipse2 said: so we're not criminals until January? Only in the minds of other criminals
Illinois Sucks Posted September 18, 2023 at 04:13 PM Posted September 18, 2023 at 04:13 PM On 9/18/2023 at 10:51 AM, Jeffrey said: Only in the minds of other criminals By "criminals" you mean Democrats?
mab22 Posted September 18, 2023 at 04:22 PM Posted September 18, 2023 at 04:22 PM On 9/18/2023 at 10:48 AM, Molly B. said: That's my assessment. And first offense is a misdemeanor, 2nd is the felony?
mab22 Posted September 18, 2023 at 04:26 PM Posted September 18, 2023 at 04:26 PM On 9/18/2023 at 10:01 AM, Yeti said: That’s all good but he’s burning daylight. It’s closer to October than August and a lot of soon-to-be “felons by pompous decree” have to decide what to do with their formerly-legal inert objects or decide if they need to pick up and leave this awful political environment. It’s the way the courts work it’s not him, he files they get 30 days to respond, then after response they get a hearing, then the judge makes a decision. keep in mind that Judge easterbrook and friends has not responded in the federal case, I don’t think the judges in the federal case have timelines, they could hold out till 2025 is my understanding.
Jeffrey Posted September 18, 2023 at 04:33 PM Posted September 18, 2023 at 04:33 PM On 9/18/2023 at 11:13 AM, Illinois Sucks said: By "criminals" you mean Democrats? Yes, thought it was implied.
JTHunter Posted September 18, 2023 at 07:48 PM Posted September 18, 2023 at 07:48 PM On 9/18/2023 at 11:42 AM, steveTA84 said: At least they got the "rules" posted before the 1st. NOW the question is if the website will also work. 🤔
Molly B. Posted September 18, 2023 at 08:25 PM Posted September 18, 2023 at 08:25 PM Actually, the link doesn't seem to show the emergency rules. Can't find a link. Only link is to the press release saying they filed the emergency rules with Sec. of State.
mab22 Posted September 18, 2023 at 08:40 PM Posted September 18, 2023 at 08:40 PM On 9/18/2023 at 3:25 PM, Molly B. said: Actually, the link doesn't seem to show the emergency rules. Can't find a link. Only link is to the press release saying they filed the emergency rules with Sec. of State. You can find the link here.
Molly B. Posted September 18, 2023 at 08:42 PM Posted September 18, 2023 at 08:42 PM Nevermind. My slow internet access finally downloaded the rest of the press release:
Yeti Posted September 19, 2023 at 02:53 AM Posted September 19, 2023 at 02:53 AM On 9/18/2023 at 11:26 AM, mab22 said: It’s the way the courts work it’s not him, he files they get 30 days to respond, then after response they get a hearing, then the judge makes a decision. Probably my mistake, thought he was still working on his motion to reconsider.
lilguy Posted September 20, 2023 at 12:23 PM Posted September 20, 2023 at 12:23 PM Where has a resent gun control/ registration system been implemented, thrown out by court order, records eliminated and not been been reinstated by new legislation. Alot of make work for lawyers. My LGS is all over the map, week to week, on whats legal. I would not bet the farm on any legal information we are getting from anyone at this point.
mab22 Posted October 12, 2023 at 01:40 AM Posted October 12, 2023 at 01:40 AM State is supposed to file the response to the motion to reconsider on Monday 10-16-2023. If anyone has access to the filings please feel free to post. AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAnnnnd that was the big update. 🙂
mab22 Posted October 20, 2023 at 12:55 PM Posted October 20, 2023 at 12:55 PM The defense has uploaded the response to the motion to reconsider in Effingham county IL a few days ago. Unfortunately, I do not have access to download it, and a certain group of people appear to have not bothered to post it to members of the case. 🤬 So if someone has access and would like to post it to the thread it would be appreciated.
crufflesmuth Posted October 25, 2023 at 08:02 PM Posted October 25, 2023 at 08:02 PM On 9/18/2023 at 10:46 AM, solareclipse2 said: so we're not criminals until January? Not until you're arrested, charged and prosecuted. Otherwise, it's just nothing. Keep that illegal STG44 in the basement, by all means!
mab22 Posted October 25, 2023 at 08:52 PM Posted October 25, 2023 at 08:52 PM On 10/25/2023 at 3:02 PM, crufflesmuth said: Not until you're arrested, charged and prosecuted. Otherwise, it's just nothing. Keep that illegal STG44 in the basement, by all means! Kinda, I thought once "arrested", not just convicted, you automatically become a felon for each firearm and round of ammunition you have?
mauserme Posted October 26, 2023 at 12:29 AM Posted October 26, 2023 at 12:29 AM On 10/25/2023 at 3:52 PM, mab22 said: Kinda, I thought once "arrested", not just convicted, you automatically become a felon for each firearm and round of ammunition you have? You're a felon only after being convicted of a felony charge.
crufflesmuth Posted October 26, 2023 at 12:47 AM Posted October 26, 2023 at 12:47 AM On 10/25/2023 at 3:52 PM, mab22 said: Kinda, I thought once "arrested", not just convicted, you automatically become a felon for each firearm and round of ammunition you have? Until a gavel comes down, you're not a felon. I wish people would understand this. There is a process. Even in Illinois.
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