Silhouette Posted June 8, 2019 at 05:21 PM Share Posted June 8, 2019 at 05:21 PM Briefs, even timely filed, can take time to show up on the website. Absent first hand information from Sigale's client, we should be patient. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Euler Posted June 9, 2019 at 03:29 AM Share Posted June 9, 2019 at 03:29 AM Wait, what now? He didn't file a reply brief? ... Where is this information coming from? From talking offline to an acquaintance who woke up this morning to alerts that Sigale had dropped the ball on Brown, I'd conclude that it's buzz that is currently a runaway positive feedback loop, exacerbated by the fact that neither illinoiscourts.gov nor sigalelaw.com have any information that would contradict the statement. If he had truly missed the May 31 deadline, wouldn't the Illinois Supreme Court have announced a summary decision in Kwame's favor sometime last week? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skinnyb82 Posted June 9, 2019 at 11:14 AM Share Posted June 9, 2019 at 11:14 AM If he had truly missed the May 31 deadline, wouldn't the Illinois Supreme Court have announced a summary decision in Kwame's favor sometime last week?No the case would probably still be heard without the brief. Justices wouldn't be happy about that and it wouldn't go well because it'd be based on the proceedings in the circuit court and Illinois would prevail as the record from the circuit Court is, uhhh, "lacking." Totally devoid of legal reasoning. Frankly, it's an awful order. Well, both of them. "Unconstitutional tax" but why, judge? How is this different from, say, a permit to assemble? I'd have liked to see a well-reasoned explanation that would have perfected the record for appeal. Sent from my VS987 using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THE KING Posted June 9, 2019 at 06:32 PM Share Posted June 9, 2019 at 06:32 PM Ok, here are the documents where it shows that Sigale is overdue on filing his brief. It's on the bottom of the page. At the top of the next page it shows where he is requesting an "instantaner". Which I understand is his request to still be able to file a brief. That is dated 6/3/19. The brief was due 5/31/19. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THE KING Posted June 9, 2019 at 06:34 PM Share Posted June 9, 2019 at 06:34 PM Here are the documents. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Molly B. Posted June 9, 2019 at 07:44 PM Author Share Posted June 9, 2019 at 07:44 PM Still checking into what happened. From the document The King uploaded, the deadline to file a response brief was missed but we don't know why. It was due on a Friday and the following Monday the instanter was submitted requesting leave to still file the response. There are a host of unknowns - was an attempt made to file the response on May 31st and a possible problem with the website prevented it? We all know of too many problems with Illinois.gov websites. Was the attorney sick? In the hospital? Out of the country? We don't know. If the deadline was simply missed because of a heavy caseload or whatever, it would be very disappointing and no one would be more upset about it than the attorney. Here's what we do know and that is to not make broad sweeping statements without the facts. While there are individuals from other 2A organizations who take wildly perverse pleasure in denigrating and disparaging fellow Second Amendment friends - we do not do it here. Any comments of that nature will be removed from view - one or two already have been - and anyone who persists in violating the code of conduct in this way will find posting privileges suspended. Let's get the facts and see what happens. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glock23 Posted June 9, 2019 at 11:26 PM Share Posted June 9, 2019 at 11:26 PM If the deadline was simply missed because of a heavy caseload or whatever, it would be very disappointing and no one would be more upset about it than the attorney. I can think of at least one person who would be more upset than her attorney... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Molly B. Posted June 10, 2019 at 12:27 AM Author Share Posted June 10, 2019 at 12:27 AM If the deadline was simply missed because of a heavy caseload or whatever, it would be very disappointing and no one would be more upset about it than the attorney.I can think of at least one person who would be more upset than her attorney...Yes, that goes without saying, I was referencing inside the 2A community. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flynn Posted June 10, 2019 at 01:33 AM Share Posted June 10, 2019 at 01:33 AM I have to wonder if this the failure to file on time is somehow connected to the 'Fix the FOID' legislation that was in the pipeline? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steveTA84 Posted June 11, 2019 at 05:11 PM Share Posted June 11, 2019 at 05:11 PM (edited) If (and I mean a big IF) the deadline was missed and this whole suit trickles away, I give up. Whats the point in the littleguy fighting when the big dogs fail over a landmark case? I dont know all the details and wont pretend to, so I guess well see what the real story here is. I personally will withhold any judgement until we see what happens. On a side note, having spoke with people on both sides in the 2A org feud going on, Im staying out of it completely. We have enough enemies in terms of anti-gun organizations, activists, and legislators. This stuff has to stop. The antis are laughing at it all knowing its helping their cause Edited June 11, 2019 at 05:11 PM by steveTA84 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SycamoreRuger Posted June 11, 2019 at 06:45 PM Share Posted June 11, 2019 at 06:45 PM If (and I mean a big IF) the deadline was missed and this whole suit trickles away, I give up. Whats the point in the little guy fighting when the big dogs fail over a landmark case? I dont know all the details and wont pretend to, so I guess well see what the real story here is. I personally will withhold any judgement until we see what happens. On a side note, having spoke with people on both sides in the 2A org feud going on, Im staying out of it completely. We have enough enemies in terms of anti-gun organizations, activists, and legislators. This stuff has to stop. The antis are laughing at it all knowing its helping their cause I am also taking a wait-and-see attitude, but with my fingers crossed. There have been some incendiary accusations flying around (and some deleted posts) so I am hoping things settle down and make sense soon. I had no idea there was so much animosity between the various pro-2A groups in Illinois until I joined a few last week. I have given money to many of the Illinois groups, but I am not giving a dime to any group that does not have a real name and face attached to it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Molly B. Posted June 11, 2019 at 06:47 PM Author Share Posted June 11, 2019 at 06:47 PM The Response brief has been submitted and accepted. The attorney did NOT forget to file, it was a bit late due to technical problems and was submitted via Motion which was granted as soon as statutorily possible. Appellate Response Brief + Rule 341 Attorney Certification (filed).pdf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SycamoreRuger Posted June 11, 2019 at 06:49 PM Share Posted June 11, 2019 at 06:49 PM The Response brief has been submitted and accepted. The attorney did NOT forget to file, it was a bit late due to technical problems and was submitted via Motion which was granted as soon as statutorily possible. Appellate Response Brief + Rule 341 Attorney Certification (filed).pdfThat is great news, thank you Molly! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikew Posted June 11, 2019 at 07:32 PM Share Posted June 11, 2019 at 07:32 PM On a side note, having spoke with people on both sides in the 2A org feud going on, Im staying out of it completely. We have enough enemies in terms of anti-gun organizations, activists, and legislators. This stuff has to stop. The antis are laughing at it all knowing its helping their causeYou gotta wonder at what would happen if we could get the anti's to have a social media war with each other. "Shannon threw shade on my wear orange day, she's beijn' a b-i-double_t-c-h" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steveTA84 Posted June 11, 2019 at 08:06 PM Share Posted June 11, 2019 at 08:06 PM The Response brief has been submitted and accepted. The attorney did NOT forget to file, it was a bit late due to technical problems and was submitted via Motion which was granted as soon as statutorily possible. Appellate Response Brief + Rule 341 Attorney Certification (filed).pdfThank you for the update great news!!!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steveTA84 Posted June 11, 2019 at 08:15 PM Share Posted June 11, 2019 at 08:15 PM (edited) On a side note, having spoke with people on both sides in the 2A org feud going on, Im staying out of it completely. We have enough enemies in terms of anti-gun organizations, activists, and legislators. This stuff has to stop. The antis are laughing at it all knowing its helping their cause You gotta wonder at what would happen if we could get the anti's to have a social media war with each other. "Shannon threw shade on my wear orange day, she's beijn' a b-i-double_t-c-h"I attempted to cause a ruckus but was quickly demonized for it lol I had this ready to go as well (didnt send). Changed the logo a little. The Brokwn oar is a rowdy bar..... http://i.imgur.com/dHaAnpC.jpg Edited June 11, 2019 at 08:53 PM by steveTA84 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steveTA84 Posted June 11, 2019 at 09:18 PM Share Posted June 11, 2019 at 09:18 PM (edited) Just got the ISRA update http://i.imgur.com/eD9KzgA.jpg Look, now is the time all of the various organizations stop their petty BS and work together. Who cares who did and who started what. Knock it off. Once a date is set and the hearings start, anti-gun groups are going to be picketing in front of the courts and using social media to get their message out in order to sway public opinion their way. We outnumber them heavily in terms of numbers and support. All of the orgs on our side need to call a truce and organize their teams to work together to prepare for a major fight here in IL. Theres a lot of bad blood and it needs to be put aside. If our infighting gets in the way of this case then we lose and the antis celebrate. Can you imagine how powerful our side would be if ILCarry, GSL, ISRA and IGOT would be if the brass all worked together and united their members? Edited June 11, 2019 at 09:20 PM by steveTA84 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flynn Posted June 11, 2019 at 10:46 PM Share Posted June 11, 2019 at 10:46 PM The argument is solid, let's hope the justices rule on the rule of law and Constitutions instead of feelings and emotion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobPistol Posted June 11, 2019 at 11:55 PM Share Posted June 11, 2019 at 11:55 PM http://i.imgur.com/dHaAnpC.jpg OK, this is so LOL-worthy, and the Russian stuff at the bottom is a nice touch. Epic win Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steveTA84 Posted June 11, 2019 at 11:57 PM Share Posted June 11, 2019 at 11:57 PM ^^^^ Free drink at a biker bar would have been fun to watch them attempt lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrSmallie Posted June 12, 2019 at 04:37 AM Share Posted June 12, 2019 at 04:37 AM Just got the ISRA update Look, now is the time all of the various organizations stop their petty BS and work together. Who cares who did and who started what. Knock it off. Once a date is set and the hearings start, anti-gun groups are going to be picketing in front of the courts and using social media to get their message out in order to sway public opinion their way. We outnumber them heavily in terms of numbers and support. All of the orgs on our side need to call a truce and organize their teams to work together to prepare for a major fight here in IL. Theres a lot of bad blood and it needs to be put aside. If our infighting gets in the way of this case then we lose and the antis celebrate. Can you imagine how powerful our side would be if ILCarry, GSL, ISRA and IGOT would be if the brass all worked together and united their members? I agree with your sentiment but I'm confused as to your expected result. This is a court case. Public opinion should have no bearing on the decisions the Justices make. Unless of course you feel a strong show of support would encourage them to grant "any and all such further relief as this Court deems just and proper." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steveTA84 Posted June 12, 2019 at 04:46 AM Share Posted June 12, 2019 at 04:46 AM ^^^^ The anti-gun people will be out and there will be propaganda all over social media on how this decision could “turn Illinois into the Wild West” etc. keeping those people in check and engaging them is a must. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SycamoreRuger Posted June 12, 2019 at 06:23 PM Share Posted June 12, 2019 at 06:23 PM ^^^^ The anti-gun people will be out and there will be propaganda all over social media on how this decision could “turn Illinois into the Wild West” etc. keeping those people in check and engaging them is a must. It won’t turn us into the Wild West, it will just make Illinois like any other state in the union that does not require the card. Like with concealed carry, the Illinois politicians are so arrogant that they think they are wiser than the politicians in every other state. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
InterestedBystander Posted June 12, 2019 at 06:45 PM Share Posted June 12, 2019 at 06:45 PM (edited) ^^^^The anti-gun people will be out and there will be propaganda all over social media on how this decision could turn Illinois into the Wild West etc. keeping those people in check and engaging them is a must.It wont turn us into the Wild West, it will just make Illinois like any other state in the union that does not require the card. Like with concealed carry, the Illinois politicians are so arrogant that they think they are wiser than the politicians in every other state.Didnt hear much after the shootouts and blood running in streets events did not happen after passing CCL. They like to point to the handful of states remotely similar instead of the other 40+ that arent set up like IL yet do not have their issues. Its sad that most of these legislators know nothing about firearms and arent interested in educating themselves before introducing a bill that does nothing but feels good. Edited June 12, 2019 at 06:48 PM by InterestedBystander Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
InterestedBystander Posted June 12, 2019 at 06:51 PM Share Posted June 12, 2019 at 06:51 PM The Response brief has been submitted and accepted. The attorney did NOT forget to file, it was a bit late due to technical problems and was submitted via Motion which was granted as soon as statutorily possible. Appellate Response Brief + Rule 341 Attorney Certification (filed).pdf That is great news, thank you Molly!Indeed. Hopefully a lesson learned about waiting until the last minute...not a good strategy. Possible computer/system issues are why I moved my renewal a week or so, just in case! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Euler Posted June 12, 2019 at 07:27 PM Share Posted June 12, 2019 at 07:27 PM I think the legal game played is that, if you file your paperwork early, you just give your opponents that much more time to think about their answer to it. Obviously, if you wait until one minute before the deadline to click the UPLOAD button, but there's a problem that takes two minutes to fix, then you're screwed. I have to believe that, at some point, just a little earlier doesn't make a difference how fast your opponents get access to your arguments. Well, it worked out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quiet Observer Posted June 12, 2019 at 08:08 PM Share Posted June 12, 2019 at 08:08 PM (edited) If a position is filed at the last minute, the opposition is going to request a continuence to allow time to prepare a response. It is most likely that a judge would allow it. Filing continuences and appeals has been tactics used on both sides of the 2A arguements for decades. Edited June 12, 2019 at 09:41 PM by Quiet Observer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steveTA84 Posted June 12, 2019 at 10:41 PM Share Posted June 12, 2019 at 10:41 PM https://www.thecentersquare.com/illinois/illinois-supreme-court-to-hear-gun-owner-identification-law-challenge/article_3b9794b8-8d3a-11e9-82e5-f70f71f88cdc.html?fbclid=IwAR2hPJYR3blLd12KJvOhhKi0K6JyjJY7TByb71goD34hEUWup-C1b6ckXfs ISRA is ready to go to SCOTUS if the ILSC overrules the previous decision Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lockman Posted June 13, 2019 at 12:03 PM Share Posted June 13, 2019 at 12:03 PM ‘The City of Chicago, where the high court deemed the city’s handgun ban unconditional. ‘ Is that one step below unconstitutional? ^ this *** Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SycamoreRuger Posted June 13, 2019 at 12:40 PM Share Posted June 13, 2019 at 12:40 PM “The judge in White County said the FOID card is unconstitutional in the home,” Pearson said. “So that’s where we stand today and the state of Illinois doesn’t agree to that.” and “Are you prohibited from having a FOID card? The judge said ‘I don’t think so,’ ” Pearson said. “She didn’t do a thing wrong except wanting to defend her own life.” From the 6/12/19 Cherokee Tribune and Ledger News http:// https://www.tribuneledgernews.com/extra/news/illinois-supreme-court-to-hear-gun-owner-identification-law-challenge/article_fad30f20-7ee0-56a1-81ec-15fa648717a6.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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