lockman Posted September 12, 2019 at 12:02 PM Share Posted September 12, 2019 at 12:02 PM Change the FOID to IRIS (Illinois Resident Identification System), make everyone get one for everything (like voting, too, oh no!), and keep it cheap (or "free" - i.e., tax-funded) Just allow citizens to run basic background checks on existing state IDs and drivers licenses, the check would not have to give details just a yes/no confirmation for things like firearm purchases, voting or to see if the person is say a registered sex offender heck use it for alchohol and smoking verification as well to confirm the ID is legit and not fake. Sounds great! Let's just do away with privacy rights altogether.. How is verifying you are who you and and are eligable to exercise the right and/or privilege an invasion of privacy? Sorry but I support verificaiton at the basic level as I understand that even rights are not absolute, and accept that age, citizenship and to see if a due process has removed the right/privilege verifications are well within acceptable regulations or should be. Would you apply the same standard to the first amendment, the fourth or fifth amendment? A direct corollary would be a law making it illegal to participate in public speaking unless you have a permit from the government, conditioned on passing an identity background check and make sure you’re not in the prohibited database. ^ this *** Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TomKoz Posted September 12, 2019 at 12:47 PM Share Posted September 12, 2019 at 12:47 PM (edited) How about we need a Religion Worshippers Identification Card before entering a church? Oh, can we also not ban some of those Assault Religions ? Edited September 12, 2019 at 12:50 PM by TomKoz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SiliconSorcerer Posted September 12, 2019 at 03:38 PM Share Posted September 12, 2019 at 03:38 PM How about we need a Religion Worshippers Identification Card before entering a church?Oh, can we also not ban some of those Assault Religions ? If constitutional rights are subject to a price we should charge to vote. Think of the money the state could make, someone should call JB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flynn Posted September 12, 2019 at 10:08 PM Share Posted September 12, 2019 at 10:08 PM (edited) Would you apply the same standard to the first amendment, the fourth or fifth amendment? NO I would not, but in regards to the 2nd I face the reality and truth that the Supreme Court WILL allow acceptable restrictions on the 2nd (like age and criminal history prohibitions) that are not applicable to other rights, to believe otherwise is just being foolish and naive. There is no way the Supreme Court will ever open up the 2nd to the same level as the 1st even if, you and I believe it should be, there is simply no way the Supreme Court is going to let say 10 year old gang banger with a 3 page rap sheet that stlll fully has his 1st and 4th rights walk into a gun store (with the money he made swinging 8-balls on the corner) walk out with a brand new Glock and AR-15 with a few cases of bullets, this is the truth like it or not the 2nd will have restrictions that are not applied to other rights. Edited September 12, 2019 at 10:09 PM by Flynn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
papa Posted September 12, 2019 at 10:24 PM Share Posted September 12, 2019 at 10:24 PM Would you apply the same standard to the first amendment, the fourth or fifth amendment? NO I would not, but in regards to the 2nd I face the reality and truth that the Supreme Court WILL allow acceptable restrictions on the 2nd (like age and criminal history prohibitions) that are not applicable to other rights, to believe otherwise is just being foolish and naive. There is no way the Supreme Court will ever open up the 2nd to the same level as the 1st even if, you and I believe it should be, there is simply no way the Supreme Court is going to let say 10 year old gang banger with a 3 page rap sheet that stlll fully has his 1st and 4th rights walk into a gun store (with the money he made swinging 8-balls on the corner) walk out with a brand new Glock and AR-15 with a few cases of bullets, this is the truth like it or not the 2nd will have restrictions that are not applied to other rights. First of all they need to make the person serve the max time allowed for the crime committed without time off for good behavior . When they have completed their full sentence they then should have all rights restored. If a person can not live in society without causing trouble ( committing criminal acts ) then that person should not be walking around loose. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flynn Posted September 12, 2019 at 10:42 PM Share Posted September 12, 2019 at 10:42 PM Would you apply the same standard to the first amendment, the fourth or fifth amendment? NO I would not, but in regards to the 2nd I face the reality and truth that the Supreme Court WILL allow acceptable restrictions on the 2nd (like age and criminal history prohibitions) that are not applicable to other rights, to believe otherwise is just being foolish and naive. There is no way the Supreme Court will ever open up the 2nd to the same level as the 1st even if, you and I believe it should be, there is simply no way the Supreme Court is going to let say 10 year old gang banger with a 3 page rap sheet that stlll fully has his 1st and 4th rights walk into a gun store (with the money he made swinging 8-balls on the corner) walk out with a brand new Glock and AR-15 with a few cases of bullets, this is the truth like it or not the 2nd will have restrictions that are not applied to other rights. First of all they need to make the person serve the max time allowed for the crime committed without time off for good behavior . When they have completed their full sentence they then should have all rights restored. If a person can not live in society without causing trouble ( committing criminal acts ) then that person should not be walking around loose. I agree with this, but IMO it's a pipe dream to believe the 2nd will be restriction and age free, the entire point of my post was that since there are going to be restrictions on the 2nd, and NICS isn't going anywhere, make a one stop ID... I believe in the computer age that having to carryt and have multiple IDs is silly when a single ID with a comprehensive backend database would be better. Agree or not, that is my opinion since I know full well rights are not absolute and restrictions will always apply to some degree. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soundguy Posted September 13, 2019 at 12:44 AM Share Posted September 13, 2019 at 12:44 AM (edited) How long until we have a National FOID?Would it work? There should be no cost for internet verification of the buyer.It should eliminate all waiting periods nationwide once the check is approved.It should allow the holder to buy any gun in person anywhere in the US. The other 49 states would be p*****... Edited September 13, 2019 at 12:45 AM by soundguy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teufel Hunden Posted September 13, 2019 at 03:56 PM Share Posted September 13, 2019 at 03:56 PM How long until we have a National FOID?Would it work? There should be no cost for internet verification of the buyer.It should eliminate all waiting periods nationwide once the check is approved.It should allow the holder to buy any gun in person anywhere in the US. The other 49 states would be p*****...Because it's working so well in Illinois. In spite of running a background check on lawful gunowners every night, Illinois is among the worst states for murder and non-negligent homicide. It's almost as if laws restraining legal ownership of firearms is ineffective against criminals... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRJ Posted September 13, 2019 at 03:58 PM Share Posted September 13, 2019 at 03:58 PM How long until we have a National FOID?Would it work? There should be no cost for internet verification of the buyer.It should eliminate all waiting periods nationwide once the check is approved.It should allow the holder to buy any gun in person anywhere in the US. The other 49 states would be p*****...I see this as a distinct possibility within 10 years, after modern sporting rifles are banned in some fashion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stockboyy Posted September 13, 2019 at 04:33 PM Share Posted September 13, 2019 at 04:33 PM Lawful gun-owners in Illinois are subjected to the UNAVOIDABLE-JEOPARDYIES of the FOID-ACT.-------------------- ---------------Chicago Gang & Drug Criminals are Granted PLEA-BARGINS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Molly B. Posted September 13, 2019 at 05:01 PM Author Share Posted September 13, 2019 at 05:01 PM Lawful gun-owners in Illinois are subjected to the UNAVOIDABLE-JEOPARDYIES of the FOID-ACT.-------------------- ---------------Chicago Gang & Drug Criminals are Granted PLEA-BARGINS. EXACTLY!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lockman Posted September 13, 2019 at 06:32 PM Share Posted September 13, 2019 at 06:32 PM How long until we have a National FOID?Would it work? There should be no cost for internet verification of the buyer.It should eliminate all waiting periods nationwide once the check is approved.It should allow the holder to buy any gun in person anywhere in the US. The other 49 states would be p*****...Because it's working so well in Illinois. In spite of running a background check on lawful gunowners every night, Illinois is among the worst states for murder and non-negligent homicide. It's almost as if laws restraining legal ownership of firearms is ineffective against criminals... non-negligent homicide would include self-defense shootings. A homicide is death by the actions of another person. It denotes no moral or legal deference. hence, justifiable homicide or negligent homicide. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hunter68 Posted September 13, 2019 at 11:39 PM Share Posted September 13, 2019 at 11:39 PM The hearings for the FOID being unconstitutional started Tuesday! Wish us all luck! FOID could be gone for good very soon! Eventually is has to be ruled unconstitutional, it's just a matted of time! https://www.mdjonline.com/neighbor_newspapers/extra/news/illinois-supreme-court-to-decide-challenge-to-state-s-foid/article_855b60a0-d37d-5fd7-bbba-d0e841cd1f0a.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobPistol Posted September 14, 2019 at 12:08 AM Share Posted September 14, 2019 at 12:08 AM Lawful gun-owners in Illinois are subjected to the UNAVOIDABLE-JEOPARDYIES of the FOID-ACT.-------------------- ---------------Chicago Gang & Drug Criminals are Granted PLEA-BARGINS. That's because gangs and drug dealers are cronies of the left. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bitter Clinger Posted September 14, 2019 at 11:48 AM Share Posted September 14, 2019 at 11:48 AM The hearings for the FOID being unconstitutional started Tuesday! Wish us all luck! FOID could be gone for good very soon! Eventually is has to be ruled unconstitutional, it's just a matted of time! https://www.mdjonline.com/neighbor_newspapers/extra/news/illinois-supreme-court-to-decide-challenge-to-state-s-foid/article_855b60a0-d37d-5fd7-bbba-d0e841cd1f0a.html I'm guessing that there is no way the FOID will be struck down. The powers that be won't let that happen and somehow successfully argue that it's constitutional, or should be allowed since they've had it for over 50 years. If anything, the FOID might be declared not necessary for that one elderly woman and that's about it.They will force the rest of us to have one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lockman Posted September 14, 2019 at 02:26 PM Share Posted September 14, 2019 at 02:26 PM Don’t let them rewrite history. The FOID may have been around for 50 years, but for most of that history it did not prohibit possession or ownership as long as you have the FOID or had one previously issued in your name. If your FOID expired in 1973 you can possess any lawful firearms and ammunition. You just could not buy any in Illinois until you get another FOID. The FOID was historically only the regulation of new purchases, anything possessed prior to expiration was legal to own, possess or use lawfully. ^ this *** Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crufflesmuth Posted September 14, 2019 at 05:51 PM Share Posted September 14, 2019 at 05:51 PM Don’t let them rewrite history. The FOID may have been around for 50 years, but for most of that history it did not prohibit possession or ownership as long as you have the FOID or had one previously issued in your name. If your FOID expired in 1973 you can possess any lawful firearms and ammunition. You just could not buy any in Illinois until you get another FOID. The FOID was historically only the regulation of new purchases, anything possessed prior to expiration was legal to own, possess or use lawfully. ^ this *** I believe that's what Sigale was arguing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THE KING Posted October 21, 2019 at 02:13 PM Share Posted October 21, 2019 at 02:13 PM Any updates on this case. It sure would be nice to eliminate the FOID card. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Euler Posted October 21, 2019 at 05:24 PM Share Posted October 21, 2019 at 05:24 PM Any updates on this case. It sure would be nice to eliminate the FOID card. The Illinois SC has yet to announce a decision. When it does, I'm sure one side or the other will publicize it widely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jwolf Posted December 30, 2019 at 07:29 PM Share Posted December 30, 2019 at 07:29 PM Why is she posting about it now?Because of the appeal to the Illinois Supreme Court. I wonder how long it will take to get the ISC's decision. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
speedbump Posted January 2, 2020 at 01:19 PM Share Posted January 2, 2020 at 01:19 PM If the ISRA hadn't been asleep *for five YEARS* the revelations of $28,000,000 missing from the FOID/CCL/FSF would have been a pertinent inclusion to the case, plus the outrageous scheme of expired FOID = REVOKED CCL = RETROACTIVELY REVOKED FOID!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmagloo Posted January 2, 2020 at 02:23 PM Share Posted January 2, 2020 at 02:23 PM Same could said for every 2A advocacy group covering the state. The point is, we know about it now, and what will they do with this intel in a meaningful way? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Molly B. Posted January 2, 2020 at 06:20 PM Author Share Posted January 2, 2020 at 06:20 PM If the ISRA hadn't been asleep *for five YEARS* the revelations of $28,000,000 missing from the FOID/CCL/FSF would have been a pertinent inclusion to the case, plus the outrageous scheme of expired FOID = REVOKED CCL = RETROACTIVELY REVOKED FOID!!!I have seen cases of expired FOID = REVOKED CCL. I have not seen any cases of expired FOID = REVOKED CCL = RETROACTIVELY REVOKED FOID. I would very much like to see the specifics if you can share in a private message. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
speedbump Posted January 2, 2020 at 11:57 PM Share Posted January 2, 2020 at 11:57 PM If the ISRA hadn't been asleep *for five YEARS* the revelations of $28,000,000 missing from the FOID/CCL/FSF would have been a pertinent inclusion to the case, plus the outrageous scheme of expired FOID = REVOKED CCL = RETROACTIVELY REVOKED FOID!!! I have seen cases of expired FOID = REVOKED CCL. I have not seen any cases of expired FOID = REVOKED CCL = RETROACTIVELY REVOKED FOID. I would very much like to see the specifics if you can share in a private message.Will do. I'll try to get copies and email them to you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crufflesmuth Posted January 3, 2020 at 02:29 AM Share Posted January 3, 2020 at 02:29 AM To be honest, I'm expecting IL SCOTUS to have the FOID stand while nixing the possession requirement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tkroenlein Posted January 3, 2020 at 04:48 AM Share Posted January 3, 2020 at 04:48 AM 2020 is the year the FOID dies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bitter Clinger Posted January 3, 2020 at 01:56 PM Share Posted January 3, 2020 at 01:56 PM We can only hope, but my hopes are not high. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarkLord Posted January 4, 2020 at 04:51 AM Share Posted January 4, 2020 at 04:51 AM To be honest, I'm expecting IL SCOTUS to have the FOID stand while nixing the possession requirement.that's a possibilty Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gamma Posted January 5, 2020 at 11:36 PM Share Posted January 5, 2020 at 11:36 PM (edited) How long until we have a National FOID?Would it work? There should be no cost for internet verification of the buyer.It should eliminate all waiting periods nationwide once the check is approved.It should allow the holder to buy any gun in person anywhere in the US. The other 49 states would be p*****...It already exists, sort of. I mean the FBI has a file on everyone already and all the disqualifying info is supposed to be correlated. People don't have a card but all the backend info is there. Illinois has all the same, the machinations of the physical FOID cards are just a silly game. It's all tied to state DL/ID cards anyway, it would be trivial and save millions of dollars to do away with the FOID "system". At this point it's all a show to keep up appearances and maintain power by playing games with a physical card. It's like fingerprinting, they make a big stink out of it, but already have facial recognition on everyone already so why bother? Just another game to distract people. Edited January 5, 2020 at 11:39 PM by Gamma Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jwolf Posted January 6, 2020 at 02:27 PM Share Posted January 6, 2020 at 02:27 PM Constitutional protected rights don't end at your doorway threshold, so if even if the wording of a final ruling is narrow it should be easy to expand upon. And even in the interm a ruling that no FOID is needed to own/possses guns in your residence is a HUGE step forward in this state.I agree it would be a HUGE step in the right direction that could also open doors to expand on. Either way, regardless of the outcome, I still think the People V. Brown will be a long drawn out process that won't be finalized anytime soon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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