b.dawson Posted September 16, 2016 at 01:37 PM Share Posted September 16, 2016 at 01:37 PM (10) Any public gathering or special event conducted onproperty open to the public that requires the issuance of apermit from the unit of local government, provided thisprohibition shall not apply to a licensee who must walkthrough a public gathering in order to access his or herresidence, place of business, or vehicle. I'm figuring out more and more that IL restrictions are ridiculous! Would this section apply to carnivals/car shows put on in a town square or something of the like? How do I know if a license was required(my town is pretty unenforced on licensing requirements)? Shouldn't there be some kind of posting? Just looking for other's thoughts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trevis Posted September 16, 2016 at 01:47 PM Share Posted September 16, 2016 at 01:47 PM When in doubt, look for the signs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MSD Posted September 16, 2016 at 01:48 PM Share Posted September 16, 2016 at 01:48 PM (10) Any public gathering or special event conducted onproperty open to the public that requires the issuance of apermit from the unit of local government, provided thisprohibition shall not apply to a licensee who must walkthrough a public gathering in order to access his or herresidence, place of business, or vehicle. I'm figuring out more and more that IL restrictions are ridiculous! Would this section apply to carnivals/car shows put on in a town square or something of the like? How do I know if a license was required(my town is pretty unenforced on licensing requirements)? Shouldn't there be some kind of posting? Just looking for other's thoughts.Read in conjunction with the beginning of the section: "Sec. 65. Prohibited areas. (a) A licensee under this Act shall not knowingly carry a firearm on or into:" Conviction requires a knowing act. Unless the state can prove that you knew (or arguably should have known) that the public gathering required a permit, you should not be convicted. This would be accomplished by posting. But as others here will remind you, the fact that you should win the criminal prosecution does not necessarily prevent arrest and at least temporary seizure of your firearm. Further, subsection (d) does require the posting of signage. what is not clear is whether a failure to post an area that is clearly a prohibited area (e.g. school) is a get out of jail free card. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FieldGL Posted September 16, 2016 at 01:50 PM Share Posted September 16, 2016 at 01:50 PM Most city events I've been to, have a sign in the entrance. "No Guns", "No Weapons", "No Firearms", etc. But this is only at the main entrance, not any small entrances you randomly find throughout the event. But yeah... I think that pretty much means any public event, since I think a permit is required to even spit on the side walk. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b.dawson Posted September 16, 2016 at 01:52 PM Author Share Posted September 16, 2016 at 01:52 PM The events I'm thinking of have never had any kind of signage as there isn't really a set entrance/exit. Would Carnivals be captured under the Amusement Parks subsection? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Indigo Posted September 16, 2016 at 01:55 PM Share Posted September 16, 2016 at 01:55 PM If a street is closed, there's probably a permit involved. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmagloo Posted September 16, 2016 at 02:14 PM Share Posted September 16, 2016 at 02:14 PM If a street is closed, there's probably a permit involved. Exactly. For instance, there was a big car show in Mundelein the other night, with a number of streets closed and police barricades. It was pretty easy to recognize that disarming was the right things to do to remain in compliance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lockman Posted September 16, 2016 at 05:28 PM Share Posted September 16, 2016 at 05:28 PM If a street is closed, there's probably a permit involved. Not my responsibility to check others compliance with their legal obligations. If it is deemed my responsibility, I require the absolute power to enforce it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tkroenlein Posted September 16, 2016 at 06:05 PM Share Posted September 16, 2016 at 06:05 PM Gotta have the signs at the entrances. It's the law. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mauserme Posted September 16, 2016 at 06:43 PM Share Posted September 16, 2016 at 06:43 PM Gotta have the signs at the entrances. It's the law. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Exactly. There's no requirement in statute to assume non-posted locations are prohibited. There's no requirement to research the location. There is a requirement that the event organizers, if they're in a prohibited location or running a prohibited event, share that knowledge via appropriate signage. That's the basis on which a "knowingly carried" charge can be made. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rmac702 Posted September 16, 2016 at 10:00 PM Share Posted September 16, 2016 at 10:00 PM With all the CCL restricted areas, it seems you can only carry legally if you drive to a gas station to get gas. I'll bet you can list fewer areas you are allowed to carry in Illinois than not allowed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoadyRunner Posted September 16, 2016 at 10:02 PM Share Posted September 16, 2016 at 10:02 PM (10) Any public gathering or special event conducted on property open to the public that requires the issuance of a permit from the unit of local government, provided this prohibition shall not apply to a licensee who must walk through a public gathering in order to access his or her residence, place of business, or vehicle. I'm figuring out more and more that IL restrictions are ridiculous! Would this section apply to carnivals/car shows put on in a town square or something of the like? How do I know if a license was required(my town is pretty unenforced on licensing requirements)? Shouldn't there be some kind of posting? Just looking for other's thoughts. If prohibited, the organizers are required by Law to post. As others have said, look for the signs! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tango7 Posted September 16, 2016 at 10:19 PM Share Posted September 16, 2016 at 10:19 PM With all the CCL restricted areas, it seems you can only carry legally if you drive to a gas station to get gas. I'll bet you can list fewer areas you are allowed to carry in Illinois than not allowed. Yeah, it's a pain. Why bother going through the expense and hassle to get a CCL then? It's much better to sit around the virtual table and say "I wuz gonna git me one-a-them concealed permits, but I'll just sit here and let Mike Madigan and Lil' Debby Mell win another one by default". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wtr100 Posted September 16, 2016 at 10:21 PM Share Posted September 16, 2016 at 10:21 PM If a street is closed, there's probably a permit involved. there's no permits in our little hick town for this so ... concealed is ..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wtr100 Posted September 16, 2016 at 10:23 PM Share Posted September 16, 2016 at 10:23 PM With all the CCL restricted areas, it seems you can only carry legally if you drive to a gas station to get gas. I'll bet you can list fewer areas you are allowed to carry in Illinois than not allowed. I don't find this the case - only rarely do I have to disarm outside of work ( hospital ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b.dawson Posted September 17, 2016 at 12:37 AM Author Share Posted September 17, 2016 at 12:37 AM Great info around here all! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tkroenlein Posted September 17, 2016 at 01:08 AM Share Posted September 17, 2016 at 01:08 AM With all the CCL restricted areas, it seems you can only carry legally if you drive to a gas station to get gas. I'll bet you can list fewer areas you are allowed to carry in Illinois than not allowed. I don't find this the case - only rarely do I have to disarm outside of work ( hospital )+1. I can conveniently avoid everywhere that does post, because there are so few. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobPistol Posted September 17, 2016 at 01:20 AM Share Posted September 17, 2016 at 01:20 AM Conviction requires a knowing act. Correct. Conviction. This involves a criminal court. But what about the administrative process? Won't they yank the permission slip (FCCL)? No conviction there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tip Posted September 17, 2016 at 01:44 AM Share Posted September 17, 2016 at 01:44 AM With all the CCL restricted areas, it seems you can only carry legally if you drive to a gas station to get gas. I'll bet you can list fewer areas you are allowed to carry in Illinois than not allowed. The only places around here I routinely go that can't carry are the Hospital, Post Office, and Government Buildings - virtually nothing else is posted.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GWBH Posted September 17, 2016 at 02:13 AM Share Posted September 17, 2016 at 02:13 AM If a street is closed, there's probably a permit involved. there's no permits in our little hick town for this so ... concealed is ..... We don't even have to get a building permit in my county.Some folks moved down here from Chicago and went to the county seat to get a building permit.The clerk told them "you don't need a building permit here - this is America!!!" All we are required to have is a percolation test for a septic system - you can still have an outhouse if you want one!!I carry all over the place just like everyone else. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
junglebob Posted September 17, 2016 at 02:45 AM Share Posted September 17, 2016 at 02:45 AM With all the CCL restricted areas, it seems you can only carry legally if you drive to a gas station to get gas. I'll bet you can list fewer areas you are allowed to carry in Illinois than not allowed. OK lets see First Bank & Trust and Dairy Queen and Ideal Lawn and Garden (all have handguns welcome signs) Kroger, Rural King, Regions Bank, SIU Credit Union, Shnuchs Grocery, Fresh Foods Store, Walgreens, CVS, Walmart, Lowes, Mc Donalds, Auto Shop, Auto Zone, Napa, Buffalo Wild Wings, Chillis, Dollar Tree, Arbys,Macys, Kohls, Lone Star, Martels, Panera Bread, Menards, Matrix Sales (have a handguns welcome sign) Thrift shop, American Gas and Wash, Shell, Circle K, JC Penny, Dollar General, Big Lots, 5 Below, Home Improvement Warehouse, Genes Barber Shop, Leady Feed, Wright Building Center The list above isn't a total list of places I can carry of course, but it is a lot longer than the states "criminal protection zone list"! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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