Indigo

In the 80's, when everyone was frantic about AIDS, there were proposed plans to quarantine these patients to prevent the spread of the disease. That ended pretty quickly when the the brains at CDC realized it would do nothing but drive the victims underground. The current law does exactly the same thing - keeping people who need help from getting it. Fits with the VA restricting the rights of veterans because they need help managing their finances.

I've been working on the House contact information, and one of the people I spoke with mentioned that the phone system in the Stratton Office Building is being switched, and the numbers may be unreliable. They just got some of the new members office numbers up on the directory, and virtually no district office numbers are listed. Feel free to pm me with updates including email addresses, district office phone numbers/fax numbers, Springfield fax numbers. I'll add them to the database. Thanks in advance for helping.

Much like "But Rabbit, I wasn't going to eat it - I was just going to taste it." - Pooh Bear or " We had to destroy the village in order to save the village" - Major Booris on the destruction of Ben Tre, Viet Nam

Vehicle safe harbor provision applies, so you're good. And no need for it to be unloaded. The major concern, to my mind, is the security of the firearm IN the car while you are away. Lots of incidences of cars in airport parking lots being broken into while the owner is off in the wild blue yonder. Stop, disarm, and secure your firearm BEFORE you get to the airport so no one can observe you doing that.

Rock Island Arsenal is definitely a Federal GFZ, and as a military installation is governed by their own rules, not Illinois law. There are also a number of local gun shops in the area. Maybe you could give one of them a call and see if you could "park" your firearm with them while you are on the military installation? Maybe have it "checked by the gunsmith" while you are at the Arsenal?

You should have known - we're all on double secret probation!

I'm not Molly, but I'll give you my opinion anyway...the prime determinant of whether or not it is a GFZ is ownership. If the county fair is held at the county-owned fairgrounds (as in most states and counties), then it falls under the "under the control of local government" provisions, and the question of special use or special event permits does not apply. If the location of the county fair is not governmentally owned, then you have to consider the permits.

I believe NRA T&E would disagree with your assessment. If prior credit is bring claimed, it doesn't matter when it was completed or who taught it. It's 8 hours prior verified and 8 CCL hours taught. NRA Basic Pistol is not concealed carry curriculum. It is an approved replacement for part of the 16 hrs requirement. Sent from my SAMSUNG-SGH-I747 using Tapatalk +1 I see CLIC as a second 8 hour curriculum. I do not recall BP being part of CLIC, nor do I recall seeing a curriculum ID issued to Basic Pistol. I see the problem. I made the assumption that you had your own curriculum! If you do not have your own curriculum #, then you are stuck with VERIFYING 8 hours for Basic Pistol (even though you provided the instruction) because you don't have a number that includes it (you are right, there is no number for BP on it's own, and there could not be. It doesn't include everything you need to meet the state requirements). Then you have to add another curriculum (like CLIC) for the second 8 hours. If you have your own curriculum number, you can include BP as the first day of that curriculum, removing the need for keeping the BP cert for state purposes.

If you teach NRA BP as day one, you will have provided 16 hours of instruction at the end of day two, NOT certifying 8 hours (NRA BP) and then providing 8 hours of instruction, no need to keep a BP certificate. If you ACCEPT NRA BP (that you did not teach), then you are certifying 8 hours and providing 8 hours, and need the BP certificate.

Ooh. Be careful with this: "public right of way" is generally used in reference to roads and highways. Given the typical Chicago politician/police officer/Cook County Sheriff's views on this subject, I would be afraid of becoming a test case. This ^ The lakefront park system consists of a series of city parks (one of the 23 categories of prohibited places) that are joined. The beachfront access is part of the parks, as are the pedestrian paths and bikeways. While there are streets that pass through the parks at various points, and there are driveways that lead to and from parking areas, there are no public rights of way IN the parks. As a practical example look at the "Park Closes at..." signs, which indicate that public presence is prohibited between certain hours. Not possible on a public right of way.

I believe that's referred to as "magical thinking", or "insanity".

The only public access to Lake Michigan in the City of Chicago is through property controlled by the Chicago Park District. Even the paved lakefront between North Avenue and Millenium Park is part of the Park District. Navy Pier is controlled by the Metropolitan Pier and Exposition Authority, a municipal corporation, and carry is banned as governmental property and as an amusement park. The Lakefront Bike Trail would seem to be ok as it originates as a continuous designated trail outside the park system on both ends. Stopping to use the restrooms (or dismounting and leaving your bike for any reason) would put you in violation, so leave the park for that purpose.

Just to narrow it down, here it is uploaded off site, see if this works... If so it's obviously an issue with the forum... http://tinyurl.com/ptyo48y Also try right clicking and save as... This works both left click (opens to a new window) and right click save. The other links will sometimes stay at 0 d/l or start the d/l and stop and different points along the way. That did it!

Nope, still no joy...

Works for me. Doesn't work for me, either. I get an error message from both Adobe Reader and Preview (Mac application) saying the file is damaged.

I carried all over Springfield March 4-6th - all the restaurants, gas stations, shopping. Yes, the list is extensive and burdensome but let's not mislead folks into thinking they cannot carry anywhere. Keep in mind the moms and dads in urban areas can now carry while taking their kids to and from school, passing through dangerous gang territory. People all over the state can carry all day long without finding themselves in a no carry zone. But we will keep in mind and keep warning everyone that "gun-free zones are killing zones". This gives a new meaning to Mayor Emanuel's "Safe Passage Zones".

While it would have made a better case IMO if the suspect was still alive the point is that the plaintiff was denied a permit at the time he needed it most, proving that Maryland's system is faulty and that may issue denies a citizen the most basic right of self defense. This is further proven by the fact the suspect DID attack the plaintiff again recently. Yes he took his own life shortly thereafter but the plaintiff was still in grave danger and should have been able to exercise his 2nd Amendment rights and protected himself and his family. Just to be clear, the plaintiff was his father-in-law, who WAS NOT attacked this time. The now-deceased person attacked his estranged wife (again) and his OWN parents.

Got my supply - excellent quality, good design. Can't wait to start handing them out. Not going to restrict myself to Illinois, either!

Thank you, thank you, thank you!

spu69 put together the PDF of the Molly B approved version, on page one of this thread, if you are interested. NoGunsNoMoney.pdf

Isn't Castiglione the yahoo who testified that the decision in Moore is only advisory since the Illinois Supreme Court hasn't ruled on the issue?

Way to go, Andre!

If you read between the lines of the city's brief, their justification is racially-based. While not explicitly so, it says "we can't trust our minorities with guns on the front porch. Their gangbanger friends and relatives are just too difficult to deal with, and our cops are too inept to tell the difference between gun carrying gangbangers and ordinary citizens with guns." Just like Richard J. Daley and Richard M. Daley, this is driven by fear of the denizens of the ghettos the first created and the second perpetuated.

I thought the issue of gun ownership in public housing had been settled several years ago with a number of federal suits. Now, after McDonald, this should be a slam-dunk and another payday for SAF. What are they thinking down in Warren County?

No need to apologize, Rich, and I am still keeping track, but I need a little more information. The 55th Senate District seat is indeed Dale Righter's, but that would put you in either the 109th (Roger Eddy) or 110th (Chapin Rose) Representative District (Timothy Johnson is in the U.S. Congress--not the Illinois legislature) .45 - He lists Savoy as his location, that puts him in Rose's district. And that would also be Johnson's Congressional district. AB I live in the land of Mordor, oops I mean Chicago. My house critter is Greg Harris (D-15th) and my senate critter is Heather Steans (D-7th) Indigo