bob Posted November 22, 2013 at 11:44 PM Posted November 22, 2013 at 11:44 PM It does not seem reasonable to include places in your database that are specifically prohibited already such as hospitals and their affiliates. They do not have a choice in the matter. I noticed at least one hospital early in the list. Incidentally, given that the vast majority of doctors are these days affiliated with a hospital system directly, does that mean that by default most doctor offices are off limits?
mauserme Posted November 23, 2013 at 12:27 AM Author Posted November 23, 2013 at 12:27 AM It does not seem reasonable to include places in your database that are specifically prohibited already such as hospitals and their affiliates. They do not have a choice in the matter. I noticed at least one hospital early in the list. Xwing brings a great deal of knowledge to this project based on years of fine tuning in other states. I suggest you accede to his greater experience. Incidentally, given that the vast majority of doctors are these days affiliated with a hospital system directly, does that mean that by default most doctor offices are off limits? No.
RoadyRunner Posted November 23, 2013 at 04:01 PM Posted November 23, 2013 at 04:01 PM It does not seem reasonable to include places in your database that are specifically prohibited IMO, it absolutely does. The point is NOT to 'punish' places that choose to post signs (the 'No Guns No Money' cards are for that...), but to provide reliable information to the public so they can plan their day and make informed choices about where they want to spend their time and money with a reasonable degree of accurate, complete information. I, for one, want to see every single publicly accessible prohibited place listed - irrespective of the reason they are prohibited places. To use any other metric for publication will be problematic.
rubble Posted November 23, 2013 at 04:29 PM Posted November 23, 2013 at 04:29 PM It does not seem reasonable to include places in your database that are specifically prohibited IMO, it absolutely does. The point is NOT to 'punish' places that choose to post signs (the 'No Guns No Money' cards are for that...), but to provide reliable information to the public so they can plan their day and make informed choices about where they want to spend their time and money with a reasonable degree of accurate, complete information. I, for one, want to see every single publicly accessible prohibited place listed - irrespective of the reason they are prohibited places. To use any other metric for publication will be problematic. I agree. I want to know where I can and can't go. This may seen far-fetched but is actually becoming a reality. Google already knows where I work, live and workout and is telling me how long its going to take to get from one place to another. It reads my calendar and tells me how long its going to take to get to my appointments. Now for the hypothetical but possible reality. Lets say McDonald's is gun free and Wendy's is a prohibitionist. Since my phone knows I'm at drive-thru at McDonald's, the Posted! app should "buzz me" and ask how much I'm spending and send an email to Wendy's corporate and local store, (and other comparable prohibitionist businesses), notifying them that their policies cost them money. There is no attitude, insults, or inflated egos- just hard cold cash baby!!
Mr. Fife Posted November 23, 2013 at 04:56 PM Posted November 23, 2013 at 04:56 PM Since my phone knows I'm at drive-thru at McDonald's, the Posted! app should "buzz me" and ask how much I'm spending and send an email to Wendy's corporate and local store, (and other comparable prohibitionist businesses), notifying them that their policies cost them money. Now THAT is brilliant!
jgolden Posted November 24, 2013 at 02:31 PM Posted November 24, 2013 at 02:31 PM It does not seem reasonable to include places in your database that are specifically prohibited already such as hospitals and their affiliates. They do not have a choice in the matter. I noticed at least one hospital early in the list. I think that they should. I work for a local government that runs locations that one might not know are government buildings. One specifically is a theater. Posting is "required" but a lot of people are going to assume it was voluntary and hassle staff with the no guns no money cards. I'm suggesting to our appropriate staff that underneath the 4x6 logo that we also put a "Government Building" label.
lockman Posted November 24, 2013 at 04:50 PM Posted November 24, 2013 at 04:50 PM It does not seem reasonable to include places in your database that are specifically prohibited already such as hospitals and their affiliates. They do not have a choice in the matter. I noticed at least one hospital early in the list. Incidentally, given that the vast majority of doctors are these days affiliated with a hospital system directly, does that mean that by default most doctor offices are off limits? In a way they do have a choice. They can give permission to anybody to carry in accord within the UUW exemptions for property owners. Of course you can argue FCCL holders can still be charged even if they have permission, but FOID card holders can not. But any prohibited location granting a blanket permission for FCCL or FOID holders is about as likely a Michael Madigan becoming a libertarian.
domin8 Posted November 24, 2013 at 06:05 PM Posted November 24, 2013 at 06:05 PM Any exemption for FOID that bars FCCL holders could be a violation of 14A. That would create a blanket ban for nonresidents.
Getzapped Posted December 21, 2013 at 06:43 PM Posted December 21, 2013 at 06:43 PM Just a bump to the top, for people that don't know about it! I'm starting to see signs even out here in will county!
solareclipse2 Posted December 24, 2013 at 08:07 PM Posted December 24, 2013 at 08:07 PM I just received word from someone in the IT dept for Leap Wireless, aka Cricket Wireless here in IL that he was told to unblock a website where all the IL stores are being told to download/print the IL official "no guns" signs and to post them on the doors. I was going to add them to the list but it's every store location and address info is required to submit them to the form.
TacticalVideo Posted December 24, 2013 at 08:16 PM Posted December 24, 2013 at 08:16 PM All of the parks in Naperville have posted signs at each park's enterence but they are not the approved ISP design or size.
Lou Posted December 24, 2013 at 08:25 PM Posted December 24, 2013 at 08:25 PM All of the parks in Naperville have posted signs at each park's enterence but they are not the approved ISP design or size. I do believe that parks are GFZs anyway even if not posted.
Redlin Posted December 24, 2013 at 08:30 PM Posted December 24, 2013 at 08:30 PM All of the parks in Naperville have posted signs at each park's enterence but they are not the approved ISP design or size. I do believe that parks are GFZs anyway even if not posted.EDIT..Misread,nvm
mikemsu1 Posted December 24, 2013 at 09:18 PM Posted December 24, 2013 at 09:18 PM Just paid for the app. Will start to update locations as I come across them.
TFC Posted December 24, 2013 at 09:51 PM Posted December 24, 2013 at 09:51 PM I'm plugging them in as I find them.Next year is going to be pretty busy.
GAS3987 Posted December 27, 2013 at 11:44 PM Posted December 27, 2013 at 11:44 PM I added another to the list. My wife and brother in law were out and found Crate and Barrel near Rt. 59 in Naperville to be posted with the Illinois appropriate sign.
Scots Posted January 2, 2014 at 10:01 PM Posted January 2, 2014 at 10:01 PM This tool has great potential, but it will only be as helpful as we make it. I'll commit to adding entries as I see them if everyone else will!
HeavyDuty Posted January 3, 2014 at 02:20 PM Posted January 3, 2014 at 02:20 PM It does not seem reasonable to include places in your database that are specifically prohibited already such as hospitals and their affiliates. They do not have a choice in the matter. I noticed at least one hospital early in the list. Incidentally, given that the vast majority of doctors are these days affiliated with a hospital system directly, does that mean that by default most doctor offices are off limits? I think *all* GFZs should be in the database - don't forget out of state people who may not be completely familiar with IL statute will be using the tool, too.
borgranta Posted January 3, 2014 at 02:53 PM Posted January 3, 2014 at 02:53 PM I agree especially since it is not unheard of for a person to confuse one state law with another in regards to carry regulations.
kwc Posted January 3, 2014 at 03:50 PM Posted January 3, 2014 at 03:50 PM I have the Posted! app installed on my iPhone and iPad but it won't update the database. Is there a glitch with the server hosting the data?
jobes Posted January 3, 2014 at 05:55 PM Posted January 3, 2014 at 05:55 PM DB update failed here too
mauserme Posted January 3, 2014 at 06:06 PM Author Posted January 3, 2014 at 06:06 PM I've sent Xwing an email about the updates. ETA Try updating again and post what happens. I just did mine and it worked fine.
Xwing Posted January 3, 2014 at 08:02 PM Posted January 3, 2014 at 08:02 PM I have the Posted! app installed on my iPhone and iPad but it won't update the database. Is there a glitch with the server hosting the data?I have an update about the error. I just got off a 1 hour phone-call with my hosting services provider. Our server is the victim of a Distributed Denial of Services (DDOS) attack. The hosting provider put measures in place to bring the site back up, but those measures appear to be interfering with the webservice call (used in "Update" both for Posted! and for CCW). Per my request, they are now moving our site to a different server, and I will be testing this locally within the hour. If successful, we will move the DNS Namespace to bring the site back up (which will take about 4 hours). In the meantime, there is a workaround. If you hit "Update DB" again right after the first failure, it will usually succeed the second time. This is because the ISP's hardware firewall is causing a slow response, which causes a 408 (timeout) error the first time. The second time, it usually has the authentication cached and can make it in time. I will provide further updates regarding the permanent resolution
Xwing Posted January 3, 2014 at 11:19 PM Posted January 3, 2014 at 11:19 PM I have the Posted! app installed on my iPhone and iPad but it won't update the database. Is there a glitch with the server hosting the data?This issue has now been resolved! We moved to a different server and changed the DNS "A Record". I have verified on several different devices (iPhone, Android, Tablet, emulator, etc)... If anyone still sees an error, please PM me and/or email me w/ the "Feedback" link. Thanks!
kwc Posted January 4, 2014 at 04:58 AM Posted January 4, 2014 at 04:58 AM This issue has now been resolved! We moved to a different server and changed the DNS "A Record". I have verified on several different devices (iPhone, Android, Tablet, emulator, etc)... If anyone still sees an error, please PM me and/or email me w/ the "Feedback" link. Thanks!Outstanding! Thank you for the update. It works! And thank you for all of your hard work on this effort. I hope we are able to stir up some effective "crowd sourcing" to populate the database.
potomuss Posted January 6, 2014 at 05:49 AM Posted January 6, 2014 at 05:49 AM I'm in. Will help populate where to not "Play in Peoria"!
mrpapageorgio Posted January 6, 2014 at 01:37 PM Posted January 6, 2014 at 01:37 PM Just downloaded Posted. PS. I do like your 50 state reference app which was very helpful when taking the road trip to Florida this summer.
fat-tire Posted January 6, 2014 at 04:04 PM Posted January 6, 2014 at 04:04 PM I was at the Algonquin Red Robin located on Randall road this past Saturday and was pleasantly surprised they did NOT have a posted on their door. I know Red Robin is listed in the Hall of Shame. So, I wonder if this is an oversight or if this location has chosen to take the high road? I didn't dare bring this to the attention of the manager.
Xwing Posted January 6, 2014 at 04:27 PM Posted January 6, 2014 at 04:27 PM I was at the Algonquin Red Robin located on Randall road this past Saturday and was pleasantly surprised they did NOT have a posted on their door. I know Red Robin is listed in the Hall of Shame. So, I wonder if this is an oversight or if this location has chosen to take the high road? I didn't dare bring this to the attention of the manager. Red Robin has both corporate stores and franchise stores. There are a lot of businesses where someone in corporate is somewhat anti, but individual franchise owners or store managers are not. I will continue to patronize locations that aren't posted in support of local franchisees. (Plus, I really like their burgers.) For a lot of businesses, it's just up to the franchise owner. So for instance while many Applebee's are posted (b/c their biggest franchise owner is very anti), many are not (b/c many of the smaller franchise owners are not against freedom.) I would suggest not bringing it to the manager though, in case it's an oversight.
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