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What Happened to Chicago Body Armor Ban, And Does This Qualify As Body Armor?

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Hey everyone

 

I can't find any news on the body armor ban in Chicago, the last I heard of it, it was like delayed or something (I know nothing about politics, sorry :no: ) and off the table? But I thought that I also heard that it was "passed" but they aren't enforcing it? Or it isn't official yet?

 

I know that they are saying it's too restrictive and want to change it a bit but I can't find any news on it.

 

And for my second question, the best description of "body armor" I found went something like "...Kevlar or a similar material designed to stop missiles and fragments" or something like that. I am working on some medieval chainmail armor with aluminum rings (even weaker than the steel version) to wear under my shirt, it's not finished yet (not even close), but it's enough to actually wear to make sure it is comfortable, doesn't break, stays in place etc.. So since this isn't anywhere near bulletproof (being butted and aluminum I think it's debatable whether or not it's even knife proof), this isn't considered body armor, is it? I got the rings really cheap, and being aluminum it's light (relatively speaking), and doesn't really rust. It started as a fun project but I figured since I made it might as well use it.

 

Also I have searched and couldn't find anything on Cook County body armor laws (I live in CC, not Chicago, but close). And everything I do find is just about Chicago...It's giving me a headache :pinch:

 

Thanks everyone

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I don't know what Chicago does or did, and I don't care.. They probably already have a body armor ban on the books don't they ? I would be shocked if they don't.

 

Anyways.....As far as the state level bill, that stalled out on them. I'm sure it will be back after this November if and probably when the Democrats gain control of the state again.

Until then the rest of us are safe.

 

And if you own a gun or even body armor in this state you better get known about politics. Vote Republican and vote often.

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“The devil’s in the details,” said Ald. Edward Burke, 14th, chairman of the Finance Committee that voted to recommend changing the ordinance. “Apparently there are far more people using these devices than we imagined, and there’s also pending a state law.

 

“I think we all agree it would be far better to have statewide regulation rather than piecemeal regulation by municipalities all throughout the state.”

 

 

Sure wish the city applied that same logic to firearms

jackjack998 Member

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Huh, I guess that's encouraging then. I'm going to vote as often as I can Republican, yes. Thanks for the replies.

 

So you guys think that, assuming it WAS banned, my chainmail would be fine? Since it's not kevlar and not intended to stop fragments/missiles etc. I'm pretty sure stab proof vests are considered "body armor", but I think some of those might have added bullet resistant protection too so maybe that's why.

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Yeah but that was back when body armor was legal, but now it's much more important that I know if this is actually body armor or not since it (might) be illegal soon. Most of that thread was about penalties for wearing actual body armor and the effectiveness of ring mail, which was very informative.

 

If I had to guess I'd say no, it's not "body armor", like the example someone gave in my last thread on this about someone who is LARPing or going to a Ren faire dressed as a soldier.

 

Basically all I have now is an "apron", I used probably 3,000 rings so far. Until I actually make a proper shirt I'm using nylon straps with those snappy buckle things to try and wear it. I'm thinking maybe wearing it like a backwards backpack might work. It actually looks really nice, I could leave one extra button unbuttoned on my shirt and it's like a nice undershirt.

 

I also wanted to make some armor out of 1/16 inch aluminum street signs, but mobility and safety (mostly neck safety in case of a car accident) made me go for the rings...At least for now. I want to make something like a Roman Segmentata or something like that, that will collapse in on itself if I bend forward so I don't cut my neck if I bend forward too fast, or fall, or have a car accident.

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A good test case is needed if a ban is passed. There Is no way that can pass a constitutional muster at any appellate level. Making it illegal for a law-abiding citizen to block a bullet coming his/her way can’t be justified under any senecio.

 

 

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I want to make something like a Roman Segmentata or something like that, that will collapse in on itself if I bend forward so I don't cut my neck if I bend forward too fast, or fall, or have a car accident.

 

It sounds horribly uncomfortable and painful!

I've used body armor before. Heavy. Hot. Not for me at all!

 

Good luck with it.

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A good test case is needed if a ban is passed. There Is no way that can pass a constitutional muster at any appellate level. Making it illegal for a law-abiding citizen to block a bullet coming his/her way can’t be justified under any senecio. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk

Yeah that makes perfect sense, but I just don't want to be that case lol

 

Also I'm definitely not counting on it being bulletproof, just slash and (maybe) stab proof, with some minimal blunt force just by being there.

 

I want to make something like a Roman Segmentata or something like that, that will collapse in on itself if I bend forward so I don't cut my neck if I bend forward too fast, or fall, or have a car accident.

 

It sounds horribly uncomfortable and painful!

I've used body armor before. Heavy. Hot. Not for me at all!

 

Good luck with it.

 

Hmm, well hopefully I can come up with something just minimalistic, like a Segmentata Lite...A Segmentita....

 

Or even something made out of paper...

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http://www.foxnews.com/tech/2018/06/29/this-orange-squishy-body-armor-material-could-save-lives.html

 

...It’s bright orange, it’s squishy, it stretches like taffy — and it is unlike any body armor you’ve ever seen.

 

If you were attacked with a baseball bat and you were wearing this bright orange goop under your clothes, then your attacker might as well have swung a toothpick at you — the goop will take the hit for you and absorb the strike.

 

D3O concocted this remarkable, soft, stretchy, flexible, orange material that absorbs shock. Incorporated into their TRUST line of armor, there is a wide range available from helmets, chest, back and knuckle armor through to elbow, knee and foot protection. Orange goo-fortified options can shield you head to toe against blunt force trauma....

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http://www.foxnews.com/tech/2018/06/29/this-orange-squishy-body-armor-material-could-save-lives.html

 

...It’s bright orange, it’s squishy, it stretches like taffy — and it is unlike any body armor you’ve ever seen.

 

If you were attacked with a baseball bat and you were wearing this bright orange goop under your clothes, then your attacker might as well have swung a toothpick at you — the goop will take the hit for you and absorb the strike.

 

D3O concocted this remarkable, soft, stretchy, flexible, orange material that absorbs shock. Incorporated into their TRUST line of armor, there is a wide range available from helmets, chest, back and knuckle armor through to elbow, knee and foot protection. Orange goo-fortified options can shield you head to toe against blunt force trauma....

 

That is absolutely incredible, I bet that would be amazing to prevent injuries/death in car crashes!! Thanks for posting this I'm definitely going to look into it!

 

Since it's designed specifically for blunt force trauma and not punctures etc., I definitely don't think it's considered body armor, so that's good.

 

Even if it's too thick to wear under my everyday clothes maybe a removable driving vest/suit would be a fun concept to try.

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Aluminum is not a good ballistic material. I have seen fmj .454 Casull punch trough 3/4” thick mild steel at 100’. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk

 

Depends on the type and treatment done to the Aluminum, that being said i'm still not sure I'd want to weave a vest out of it ;)

 

I've made fireman tools etc in the past and they are unbelievably strong plus I have racks of aluminum at my "range" that surprised me with the durability against a 45, now I'm sure a rifle will pass through it but it will any normal vest as well..

 

I've have a vest for years it's probably expired, but getting shot really hurts actually even with the vest.

Even a 32 long colt broke a rib but it was pushed there.

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Aluminum is not a good ballistic material. I have seen fmj .454 Casull punch trough 3/4” thick mild steel at 100’. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk

 

Depends on the type and treatment done to the Aluminum, that being said i'm still not sure I'd want to weave a vest out of it ;)

 

I've made fireman tools etc in the past and they are unbelievably strong plus I have racks of aluminum at my "range" that surprised me with the durability against a 45, now I'm sure a rifle will pass through it but it will any normal vest as well..

 

I've have a vest for years it's probably expired, but getting shot really hurts actually even with the vest.

Even a 32 long colt broke a rib but it was pushed there.

 

 

Now I am really curious about how that d3o orange goo armor would do if you put it under a bullet proof vest and got hit.

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Why do I feel like I'm reading a Medieval reenact board?

Secrets of the Shining Knight

 

A knight in shining armor may sound like a character out of a storybook, but once upon a time, knighthood was serious business, and for countless medieval fighters, their armor was what stood between life and death. But what was it really like to live beneath the metal? How was that shining armor crafted, and how strong was it? Could it withstand impacts from the most lethal weapons of the day, including crossbows, muskets, and early guns? NOVA challenged blacksmith Ric Furrer and master armorer Jeff Wasson to recreate parts of an elite armor that was originally manufactured in the Royal Workshop founded by King Henry VIII. We trace their successes and setbacks from start to finish as they rediscover centuries-old metalworking secrets, then put their new armor to the ultimate test against a period musket.

The video has expired, but the transcript is still available. The episode will re-run in September, it seems.

 

TL;DR: High-end armor was designed to shield the wearer from musket fire, and it worked.

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I read that musket injuries were absolutely devastating due to the ball kind of pancaking on impact and transferring all/most of its energy into the target, so I imagine it was much easier (relatively speaking) to stop a musket ball. I don't know much about bulletproof vests etc. but I would say that something that was designed to stop a musket would be useless against even weak handguns, no?

 

I also read that a certain type of armor was issued with a dent in it to prove it had stopped a firearm round in testing. That's reassuring for the wearer.

 

But anyway I still wonder if something that isn't designed to stop bullets/fragments etc. is considered "body armor". As I mentioned it said "...kevlar or other similar material...". So if I wear some 18 gauge steel or aluminum medieval armor for knife defense and aesthetics, that wouldn't stop a bullet, so that wouldn't be considered body armor, right? I mean if you wear enough t-shirts you can stop a bullet, lol.

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So did they pass the law? Is it illegal in chicago?

 

This looks interesting...

https://www.bulletproofeveryone.com/men

Chicago amended muni code to make body armor illegal. They then decided to defer enforcement for a few months in the hopes the ILGA would pass a law to ban it but that did not happen. So for now, as I understand it, it is illegal in Chicago but enforcement levels are unknown. Otherwise legal in the rest of Illinois.
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The part that I expressed displeasure with to a number of media outlets at the time was that the possession and use of body armor by felons was just as illegal as possession of a firearm by them - and the dirtbag who killed Commander Bauer had been charged previously with both.

 

Not to mention how they want to ban the "high capacity" magazine dirtbag used, even though he only fired 6 rounds. We need betterer, strongerer laws, AMIRITE?

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