Molly B. Posted April 24, 2014 at 07:53 PM Share Posted April 24, 2014 at 07:53 PM A suit has been filed in the 7th Judicial Circuit Court in Sangamon County on behalf of Matthew Thomann, Samuel Finnigan, Deanna Knoll, and IllinoisCarry members. The suit was filed in an effort to gain Due Process for those who have been denied a CCL by the CCL Review Board without the opportunity to know why they were denied, no opportunity to provide witness or testimony on behalf of themselves, no opportunity to appeal to the CCL Review Board for a review of the denial. The suit asks the court to issue an order reversing and remanding the denials to the ISP for proceedings that comport with the requirements of due process of law. Thomann vs ISP filed.pdf 2014-04-23 Pltf_s Motion for Preliminary Injunction (2)-c.pdf 2014-04-23 Pltf_s Brief in Support of Motion for Preliminary Injunctive Relief and Admin Review (2)-c.pdf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
burningspear Posted April 24, 2014 at 07:59 PM Share Posted April 24, 2014 at 07:59 PM (edited) Excellent Edited April 24, 2014 at 07:59 PM by burningspear Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRJ Posted April 24, 2014 at 08:01 PM Share Posted April 24, 2014 at 08:01 PM Go get 'em and git 'er done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elmer Fudd Posted April 24, 2014 at 08:37 PM Share Posted April 24, 2014 at 08:37 PM Why on earth would they file in State Court....the action belongs in Federal Court where real rules apply Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Molly B. Posted April 24, 2014 at 08:40 PM Author Share Posted April 24, 2014 at 08:40 PM Stay tuned. Lots of moving parts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sirflyguy Posted April 24, 2014 at 09:37 PM Share Posted April 24, 2014 at 09:37 PM You are wonder Woman, Valinda! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lou Posted April 24, 2014 at 11:38 PM Share Posted April 24, 2014 at 11:38 PM You are wonder Woman, Valinda!^^ Way more than you know!!!^^ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Molly B. Posted April 25, 2014 at 12:04 AM Author Share Posted April 25, 2014 at 12:04 AM Court documents added to opening post. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pdpsc Posted April 25, 2014 at 12:16 AM Share Posted April 25, 2014 at 12:16 AM Why on earth would they file in State Court....the action belongs in Federal Court where real rules apply Ummm, who said it won't be fought on both fronts simultaneously? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockerXX Posted April 25, 2014 at 12:27 AM Share Posted April 25, 2014 at 12:27 AM (edited) Here are all the files hosted off site for those having troubles downloading attached PDFs, as I'm sure some will have issues as I had issues with them timing out and failing to download fully, only getting the first 32k of the file... Thomann-vs-ISP-Filed http://www.scribd.com/doc/220182621/Thomann-vs-ISP-Filed 2014-04-23-Pltf-s-Motion-for-Preliminary-Injunction-2-c-1 http://www.scribd.com/doc/220183086/2014-04-23-Pltf-s-Motion-for-Preliminary-Injunction-2-c-1 2014-04-23-Pltf-s-Brief-in-Support-of-Motion-for-Preliminary-Injunctive-Relief-and-Admin-Review-2-c http://www.scribd.com/doc/220182888/2014-04-23-Pltf-s-Brief-in-Support-of-Motion-for-Preliminary-Injunctive-Relief-and-Admin-Review-2-c Edited April 25, 2014 at 12:29 AM by RockerXX Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AJR Posted April 25, 2014 at 12:47 AM Share Posted April 25, 2014 at 12:47 AM (edited) http://youtu.be/I6eQ78HCGEA Edited April 25, 2014 at 12:47 AM by AJR Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carry Posted April 25, 2014 at 12:56 AM Share Posted April 25, 2014 at 12:56 AM Good luck on the Administrative Review and Due Process! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marathonrunner Posted April 25, 2014 at 02:01 AM Share Posted April 25, 2014 at 02:01 AM Yes! Yes! Yes! Thanks Valinda! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marathonrunner Posted April 25, 2014 at 02:24 AM Share Posted April 25, 2014 at 02:24 AM OK GUYS! I JUST DONATED ANOTHER $25 DOLLARS! THANK VALINDA BY BREAKING OUT YOUR PLASTIC AND DONATE A FEW BUCKS. THANKS! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
transplant Posted April 25, 2014 at 02:30 AM Share Posted April 25, 2014 at 02:30 AM OK GUYS! I JUST DONATED ANOTHER $25 DOLLARS! THANK VALINDA BY BREAKING OUT YOUR PLASTIC AND DONATE A FEW BUCKS. THANKS! Done Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marathonrunner Posted April 25, 2014 at 02:37 AM Share Posted April 25, 2014 at 02:37 AM Transplant thanks so much for donating! We really love Valinda! She is quite a woman and hopefully this mess will be straightened out. It would be great if we could file a suit to base the decisions on "convictions" and not arrests or worse, using police reports as evidence! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cnwfan3 Posted April 25, 2014 at 03:00 AM Share Posted April 25, 2014 at 03:00 AM This is awesome news!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Rat Posted April 25, 2014 at 03:13 AM Share Posted April 25, 2014 at 03:13 AM Wow, that's a great read. Nicely done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
d38runner Posted April 25, 2014 at 02:10 PM Share Posted April 25, 2014 at 02:10 PM The complaint looks great. Thanks so much for doing this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Molly B. Posted April 25, 2014 at 02:31 PM Author Share Posted April 25, 2014 at 02:31 PM Added: The suit asks the court to issue an order reversing and remanding the denials to the ISP for proceedings that comport with the requirements of due process of law. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
speedbump Posted April 25, 2014 at 02:50 PM Share Posted April 25, 2014 at 02:50 PM Good to see this moving forward. It seems to be some of the more poorly thought out parts of the law. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
firepiper Posted April 25, 2014 at 11:53 PM Share Posted April 25, 2014 at 11:53 PM Slated trial dates? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xwing Posted April 26, 2014 at 12:06 AM Share Posted April 26, 2014 at 12:06 AM Awesome! I figured this was coming, after the way the denials have been handed... Great to hear that IllinoisCarry is once again on the forefront. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JMontgomery Posted April 26, 2014 at 03:18 AM Share Posted April 26, 2014 at 03:18 AM Bueno. Good job lining up the plaintiffs and teeing this one up. Crossing fingers this won't be decided in 2016. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CarbonBuildup Posted April 26, 2014 at 10:35 PM Share Posted April 26, 2014 at 10:35 PM THAT - IS - AWESOME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Just a quick question. How will this affect those of us who have filed appeals? I just filed mine in DuPage county court yesterday. Thanks to Valinda, Mike , Todd and all the others who have been on the front lines of this stuff!! They have done an awesome job! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marathonrunner Posted April 26, 2014 at 10:46 PM Share Posted April 26, 2014 at 10:46 PM thank molly by donating to her website! $25 gets you a membership and all members will be added to the suit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chislinger Posted April 27, 2014 at 06:00 PM Share Posted April 27, 2014 at 06:00 PM OK I threw in my $25 for the cause. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marathonrunner Posted April 27, 2014 at 06:08 PM Share Posted April 27, 2014 at 06:08 PM Chrislinger! Thanks so much! But thank Molly! She and Todd has been working their butts off. Hopefully what we can do is get enough lawsuits going where the board will only be able to deny if certain tangible criteria are met and it must be like 5 to 7 arrests. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hgmeyer Posted April 27, 2014 at 07:18 PM Share Posted April 27, 2014 at 07:18 PM I have a philosophical problem with any number of "arrests"/ "charges" be a disqualifier without some more objective criteria. From a legal standpoint, if the ISP or some police agency wants to have an applicant denied for something short of a conviction for a felony involving violence I believe they need to do so in open court with at least civil burden of the preponderance of the evidence before a judge or even a jury. We are talking about a constitutional guaranteed right. Right now some of these denials are a "joke". Rumor, innuendo, spite, who knows what all is involved. Try to enjoin the exercise of free speech and see how that goes without some serious "evidence". We should not be willing to accept anything less. Think outside the box...we are not "sheeple".... we do not need the "Kings" permission to defend ourselves. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockerXX Posted April 27, 2014 at 07:30 PM Share Posted April 27, 2014 at 07:30 PM (edited) Chrislinger! Thanks so much! But thank Molly! She and Todd has been working their butts off. Hopefully what we can do is get enough lawsuits going where the board will only be able to deny if certain tangible criteria are met and it must be like 5 to 7 arrests. How about no denials for arrest alone? Since when did an 'arrest' (or even multiple arrest) and not a single conviction in a court of law become an acceptable reason for the government to revoke and deny Constitutionality protected rights? To endorse or even accept that policy IMO is simply wrong on multiple levels, and we should be standing 100% behind abolishing and destroying any law/policy like that... I can see the abuse happening already, a local law enforcement agency doesn't want Billy Bob to carry a gun, no need to object to his application they only need to execute 5 arrest (your know for serious crimes like loitering, jaywalking, or the ever popular disorderly conduct) and they just fixed their problem no gun for Billy... Continue to arrest him once a year from there on and Billy will never get his license... And this is somehow acceptable to anyone here? Edited April 27, 2014 at 07:32 PM by RockerXX Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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