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Pritzker's comments are contradictory. In the long run (24 months) I think the law will get struck down by SCOTUS.  During that time the IL legislature will probably pass some punitive measures such as annual fines per scary gun registered, mandatory training on the dangers of "assault weapons" for registered owners, mandatory psychiatric evaluation of owners of scary "assault weapons", closure of the inheritance loophole, increase first offense to felony, clarify that each item or attachment shall be a separate offense, every offense carrying a mandatory prison sentence to be served consecutively, bans on ownership by persons under 21, felony to allow a person under 21 to hold, possess, or use and ""assault weapon"", felony to use an ""assault weapon"" in an act of otherwise-lawful self defense, felony to transport an "assault weapon" in the state of IL for any purpose except to turn into law enforcement with pre-authorization required, and on and on.  And loss of driver license, which we know is now in play.

 

Although there is no victim for these possession "crimes", the people that registered will be the subject of endless harassment and bullying and loss of freedom until they finally cave or crack.

 

Maximal pressure will exerted on both those who registered and those who did not.  It could get ugly.

 

Other than that, it's all fine. /s

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On 1/16/2024 at 8:44 PM, Howard Roark said:

Pritzker's comments are contradictory. In the long run (24 months) I think the law will get struck down by SCOTUS.  During that time the IL legislature will probably pass some punitive measures such as annual fines per scary gun registered, mandatory training on the dangers of ""assault weapons"" for registered owners, mandatory psychiatric evaluation of owners of scary ""assault weapons"", closure of the inheritance loophole, increase first offense to felony, clarify that each item or attachment shall be a separate offense, every offense carrying a mandatory prison sentence to be served consecutively, bans on ownership by persons under 21, felony to allow a person under 21 to hold, possess, or use and """assault weapon""", felony to use an """assault weapon""" in an act of otherwise-lawful self defense, felony to transport an ""assault weapon"" in the state of IL for any purpose except to turn into law enforcement with pre-authorization required, and on and on.  And loss of driver license, which we know is now in play.

 

Although there is no victim for these possession "crimes", the people that registered will be the subject of endless harassment and bullying and loss of freedom until they finally cave or crack.

 

Maximal pressure will exerted on both those who registered and those who did not.  It could get ugly.

 

Other than that, it's all fine. /s

If Pritzker and his supporters are smart - big "if" there - they'll take the temporary W and leave it at that.

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On 1/16/2024 at 8:44 PM, Howard Roark said:

Pritzker's comments are contradictory. In the long run (24 months) I think the law will get struck down by SCOTUS.  During that time the IL legislature will probably pass some punitive measures such as annual fines per scary gun registered, mandatory training on the dangers of ""assault weapons"" for registered owners, mandatory psychiatric evaluation of owners of scary ""assault weapons"", closure of the inheritance loophole, increase first offense to felony, clarify that each item or attachment shall be a separate offense, every offense carrying a mandatory prison sentence to be served consecutively, bans on ownership by persons under 21, felony to allow a person under 21 to hold, possess, or use and """assault weapon""", felony to use an """assault weapon""" in an act of otherwise-lawful self defense, felony to transport an ""assault weapon"" in the state of IL for any purpose except to turn into law enforcement with pre-authorization required, and on and on.  And loss of driver license, which we know is now in play.

 

Although there is no victim for these possession "crimes", the people that registered will be the subject of endless harassment and bullying and loss of freedom until they finally cave or crack.

 

Maximal pressure will exerted on both those who registered and those who did not.  It could get ugly.

 

Other than that, it's all fine. /s

I guess that's one way to defund the police via early retirement.

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https://www.courthousenews.com/illinois-has-banned-assault-weapon-ownership-but-local-sheriffs-say-they-wont-enforce-it-now-what/

 

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Cieslik worried about a repeat of the incident, with state government left holding the bag for sheriffs' refusal to rein in unlicensed guns. He urged the state government to get serious about the issue, perhaps even to levy criminal penalties against sheriffs who refuse to enforce the new law.

"You need some prosecutorial authority to step in and say, enough is enough," Cieslik said.

 

Jason Cieslik is a Illinois State University legal studies professor.  You would think he would understand that his proposal is completely unworkable for a number of reasons, starting with the fact that law enforcement at every level down to the individual officer has discretion on what priorities to place on enforcement (from high to none) from a legal standpoint, as supported by extensive case law, as well as the fact that Sheriffs are elected positions.

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On 1/17/2024 at 1:05 PM, Upholder said:

https://www.courthousenews.com/illinois-has-banned-assault-weapon-ownership-but-local-sheriffs-say-they-wont-enforce-it-now-what/

 

 

Jason Cieslik is an Illinois State University legal studies professor.  You would think he would understand that his proposal is completely unworkable for a number of reasons, starting with the fact that law enforcement at every level down to the individual officer has discretion on what priorities to place on enforcement (from high to none) from a legal standpoint, as supported by extensive case law, as well as the fact that Sheriffs are elected positions.

More over educated stupid people, Jason should demand a refund! 

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On 1/17/2024 at 1:05 PM, Upholder said:

https://www.courthousenews.com/illinois-has-banned-assault-weapon-ownership-but-local-sheriffs-say-they-wont-enforce-it-now-what/

 

 

Jason Cieslik is a Illinois State University legal studies professor.  You would think he would understand that his proposal is completely unworkable for a number of reasons, starting with the fact that law enforcement at every level down to the individual officer has discretion on what priorities to place on enforcement (from high to none) from a legal standpoint, as supported by extensive case law, as well as the fact that Sheriffs are elected positions.

 

I wonder how Professor Cieslik feels about enforcing immigration laws?

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On 1/16/2024 at 10:43 PM, Hap said:

If Pritzker and his supporters are smart - big "if" there - they'll take the temporary W and leave it at that.

It's better for them to do that than to go full bore and start turning otherwise law-abiding citizens into criminals because they forgot to register a barrel nut or some nonsense. That's bad PR. They can just complain when this gets struck down. They raise more money by losing than they do by winning. "We need to amend the constitution" or some garbage. Just look at Democrats and how they use abortion to raise money. Roe v Wade getting struck down was the best thing that could've happened to their wallets. Same with this abomination.

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On 1/17/2024 at 11:44 AM, Bitter Clinger said:

Aren't the sheriff's elected by the people?

 

Doesn't that mean the Gov can't just fire them or make them somehow "not be in their jobs"?

 

Another example of how this Marxist liberal sack of **** thinks that just because he bought the Governor job with some mommy and daddy money he gets to be king and tell everyone what to do.

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On 1/17/2024 at 2:04 PM, skinnyb82 said:

It's better for them to do that than to go full bore and start turning otherwise law-abiding citizens into criminals because they forgot to register a barrel nut or some nonsense. That's bad PR. They can just complain when this gets struck down. They raise more money by losing than they do by winning. "We need to amend the constitution" or some garbage. Just look at Democrats and how they use abortion to raise money. Roe v Wade getting struck down was the best thing that could've happened to their wallets. Same with this abomination.

Democrats don’t have bad PR, things like that feed the blood lust. The media wont report barrel nut, the will say components to build assemble assault weapons! 
 

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On 1/17/2024 at 10:47 PM, mab22 said:

Democrats don’t have bad PR, things like that feed the blood lust. The media wont report barrel nut, the will say components to build assemble assault weapons! 
 

It's not bad PR inside of Crook and collar counties but it's horrible PR for the rest of the state and would only further solidify opposition to the law. The beauty about this stuff is someone will file a FOIA request and find the police report and find out what the person was actually arrested for. "Possession of an unregistered trigger spring" lol. 

 

Pritzker is a duplicitious scumbag who will try to lie about this but plenty of people have already made a fool of him. And if I were any of those people, I would make sure I am in full compliance with this abomination because I'd be worried about being made an example out of (Todd comes to mind lol).

 

IMO no SA, no one in law enforcement really wants to touch this with a ten foot pole because of the constitutional issues. The LEOs I know at city, county, and state levels, not ONE of them has said they will arrest someone for a PICA violation. Not even the ISP troopers I know. But they're country boys around here so that's no surprise. Even the new troopers will not do it. Any prosecutions would be voided out by this being found unconstitutional and could provide more fuel to the fire to get this decided anyway. They don't want more gasoline poured on a flaming dumpster fire. The only way I see active enforcement is if SCOTUS says "Yeah, AWBs passed in the middle of the night requiring you to 'voluntarily, but if you don't voluntarily do this then you could be charged with multiple felonies (an unregistered barrel nut, misdemeanor, oops there's a trigger pin, that's a second offense, felony incoming....) incriminate yourself, are incredibly vague, and ban some of the most commonly used arms, are constitutional." THEN you will see enforcement. Until then it's sit on hands, wait. 

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On 1/17/2024 at 2:24 PM, G214me said:

Another example of how this Marxist liberal sack of **** thinks that just because he bought the Governor job with some mommy and daddy money he gets to be king and tell everyone what to do.

 

That's probably part of the reason he has "ruled" since shortly after he was first elected as he has spent most of his tenure using EO's (royal "edicts") to circumvent the legislature.

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On 1/19/2024 at 3:21 PM, JTHunter said:

 

That's probably part of the reason he has "ruled" since shortly after he was first elected as he has spent most of his tenure using EO's (royal "edicts") to circumvent the legislature.

It would appear the legislature is okay being the good little feckless useless minions so long as they get some money out of him.

Pimp daddy Pritzker, and they legislature be his B******!
 

 

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ILGA does not care what Pritzker does. They answer to him. He says "jump" they say "how high?" There are no longer three co-equal branches of government in Illinois. There's only the executive branch since he bought off the state Supreme Court and basically owns the legislature and tells them what to do. His hands are in every cookie jar in existence, both literally and figuratively. It's an de facto dictatorship.

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It sounds like the Gov is happy with a half a loaf right now.

 

He is positively giddy that Semi-auto rifles. Standard capacity magazines are no longer sold in the state.

 

Compliance to the registry is lower than he hoped but he can always lie about the "real" numbers.

 

He still has a super majority in the legislature so he can always dream up and pass more laws directed at law abiding citizens.

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On 1/20/2024 at 8:35 AM, FLMOPE said:

It sounds like the Gov is happy with a half a loaf right now.

 

He is positively giddy that Semi-auto rifles. Standard capacity magazines are no longer sold in the state.

 

Compliance to the registry is lower than he hoped but he can always lie about the "real" numbers.

 

He still has a super majority in the legislature so he can always dream up and pass more laws directed at law abiding citizens.

Half a loaf? He has the whole bakery!

 

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On 1/20/2024 at 8:14 AM, skinnyb82 said:

ILGA does not care what Pritzker does. They answer to him. He says "jump" they say "how high?" There are no longer three co-equal branches of government in Illinois. There's only the executive branch since he bought off the state Supreme Court and basically owns the legislature and tells them what to do. His hands are in every cookie jar in existence, both literally and figuratively. It's an de facto dictatorship.

 

And "Jabba" should remember the fate of most (if not all) dictators - both what that fate is and how it was accomplished. :devil:

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On 1/21/2024 at 8:53 AM, FLMOPE said:

Well I would say registration didn't quite work out the way he planned.

Doesn’t matter. He got a piece of something he didn’t have before. He wins.

even if it’s found unconstitutional and reversed he has stopped sales for awhile, damaged private FFLs and businesses, and infringed multiple rights.

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