yurimodin Posted January 16, 2023 at 07:56 PM Share Posted January 16, 2023 at 07:56 PM To ease the burden of the taxpayers when it comes to the legal fees on these unconstitutional "laws". I suggest an oath breaker's law that takes 50% of all the legal fees owed to the plaintiffs when these laws get overturned for being unconstitutional and divide the debt equally among all legislators that voted for it and any governor that ratified it. This debt would be charged to them as an individual, not payable from PAC or campaign funds, and just like tax debt would be non-bankrupt able. If these people have the power to make everyone felons with the stroke of a pen then they need feel some of the pain when these "laws" are found to be unconstitutional and a violation of citizen's rights. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mousegun6 Posted January 16, 2023 at 08:10 PM Share Posted January 16, 2023 at 08:10 PM Good idea but let's make it 100 percent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yurimodin Posted January 16, 2023 at 08:18 PM Author Share Posted January 16, 2023 at 08:18 PM this would probobly also cut the amount of legislation in half just from the get-go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lawman Posted January 16, 2023 at 08:32 PM Share Posted January 16, 2023 at 08:32 PM Seeing how the people you look to punish with this proposed law are the exact same people you need to vote for it, this is doomed before it is even drafted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yurimodin Posted January 16, 2023 at 09:43 PM Author Share Posted January 16, 2023 at 09:43 PM On 1/16/2023 at 2:32 PM, lawman said: Seeing how the people you look to punish with this proposed law are the exact same people you need to vote for it, this is doomed before it is even drafted. Just like term limits getting them on record is still worth the exercise........IANAL but there might even be some way to legally go after them now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeffrey Posted January 16, 2023 at 10:03 PM Share Posted January 16, 2023 at 10:03 PM We can't even stop them from giving themselves gratuitous raises even at times when they literally have done nothing. I too have a number of ideas on a wish list. Sadly none of them would vote for it. Dad always said, wish in one hand... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quiet Observer Posted January 16, 2023 at 10:09 PM Share Posted January 16, 2023 at 10:09 PM On 1/16/2023 at 1:56 PM, yurimodin said: To ease the burden of the taxpayers when it comes to the legal fees on these unconstitutional "laws". I suggest an oath breaker's law that takes 50% of all the legal fees owed to the plaintiffs when these laws get overturned for being unconstitutional and divide the debt equally among all legislators that voted for it and any governor that ratified it. This debt would be charged to them as an individual, not payable from PAC or campaign funds, and just like tax debt would be non-bankrupt able. If these people have the power to make everyone felons with the stroke of a pen then they need feel some of the pain when these "laws" are found to be unconstitutional and a violation of citizen's rights. So, you would penalize. legislators who voted for laws that required voter ID, or passed safety laws concerning abortion during the Roe vs. Wade period? Many such laws have been declared to be unconstitutional. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soundguy Posted January 16, 2023 at 10:15 PM Share Posted January 16, 2023 at 10:15 PM On 1/16/2023 at 1:56 PM, yurimodin said: To ease the burden of the taxpayers when it comes to the legal fees on these unconstitutional "laws". I suggest an oath breaker's law... We are fortunate no such form of retribution exists under the laws of the United States. Cheers, Tim Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davel501 Posted January 16, 2023 at 10:20 PM Share Posted January 16, 2023 at 10:20 PM The taxpayers should bear the burden since they are ultimately responsible for the delegates they chose. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Liberty4IL Posted January 16, 2023 at 10:47 PM Share Posted January 16, 2023 at 10:47 PM Breaking the oath of office should result in removal from office. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mab22 Posted January 16, 2023 at 11:31 PM Share Posted January 16, 2023 at 11:31 PM We can recall elected officials. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quiet Observer Posted January 17, 2023 at 03:32 AM Share Posted January 17, 2023 at 03:32 AM On 1/16/2023 at 5:31 PM, mab22 said: We can recall elected officials. Actually, it is very limited. It only covers the governor. Buffalo Grove has one for its officials. Laws governing recall in Illinois - Ballotpedia Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yurimodin Posted January 17, 2023 at 04:47 PM Author Share Posted January 17, 2023 at 04:47 PM On 1/16/2023 at 5:31 PM, mab22 said: We can recall elected officials. IL has very few recall provisions, we don't even have term limits for governor (they usually just get arrested before their 3rd term) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yurimodin Posted January 17, 2023 at 04:49 PM Author Share Posted January 17, 2023 at 04:49 PM On 1/16/2023 at 4:15 PM, soundguy said: We are fortunate no such form of retribution exists under the laws of the United States. Cheers, Tim Then what would you suggest to keep these tyrants from trampling on the citizens? Because "vote harder" isn't working. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vodoun da Vinci Posted January 17, 2023 at 07:03 PM Share Posted January 17, 2023 at 07:03 PM (edited) I have been frustrated for many years by the blatant breach of their oaths of office of our Politicians. If I stand in front of a Judge, place my hand on The Bible, raise my right hand and solemnly swear to tell the truth, etc. etc. and then perjure my self (lie) I can be/will be jailed...... Yet if a Governor stands before a Judge on inauguration day, puts his hand on a bible, and swears to defend the constitution against all enemies foreign and domestic and signs legislation he surely *KNOWS* is not Constitutional he is immune from prosecution having breached his oath/perjured himself. We won't vote our Way out of this until liars and such are held accountable for their actions. So long as a Servant/Representative of The People can lie with impunity and breach his oath of office without fear of consequences The Republic has run it's course in my opinion. We seem to be living in a Banana Republic now. Edited January 17, 2023 at 07:04 PM by Vodoun da Vinci spelling Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JDW Posted January 17, 2023 at 07:03 PM Share Posted January 17, 2023 at 07:03 PM @yurimodinuntil and unless someone is successful in bringing a suit against one or all of there tyrants, I expect more of the same. Pritzger views himself as a Monarch or a King. The same can be said for a whole ton of politicians from both sides throughout the country. At some point, they're going to have to realize, they work for us, not the other way around. I don't have a clue how we get there. I'm so sick and tired of seeing these politicians ignoring their constituents and more importantly the SCOTUS. I wish I had the answer. I know there has to be a sharp lawyer type out there who has a work around, but for whatever reason, they remain quiet. It's frustrating as heck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davel501 Posted January 17, 2023 at 07:18 PM Share Posted January 17, 2023 at 07:18 PM On 1/17/2023 at 1:03 PM, JDW said: @yurimodinuntil and unless someone is successful in bringing a suit against one or all of there tyrants, I expect more of the same. Pritzger views himself as a Monarch or a King. The same can be said for a whole ton of politicians from both sides throughout the country. At some point, they're going to have to realize, they work for us, not the other way around. I don't have a clue how we get there. I'm so sick and tired of seeing these politicians ignoring their constituents and more importantly the SCOTUS. I wish I had the answer. I know there has to be a sharp lawyer type out there who has a work around, but for whatever reason, they remain quiet. It's frustrating as heck. Going to be the situation until people stop voting along party lines. People are always making it a choice between the Chicago Bears and the Green Bay Packers when we should be picking an all-star team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobPistol Posted January 17, 2023 at 07:37 PM Share Posted January 17, 2023 at 07:37 PM (edited) On 1/16/2023 at 3:20 PM, davel501 said: The taxpayers should bear the burden since they are ultimately responsible for the delegates they chose. With all the voter fraud and machine politics, that statement is questionable at best and lacks justice toward taxpayers. In addition, many who voted for good people who didn't get in - they get punished too. No justice there. Edited January 17, 2023 at 07:41 PM by BobPistol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobPistol Posted January 17, 2023 at 07:40 PM Share Posted January 17, 2023 at 07:40 PM On 1/16/2023 at 12:56 PM, yurimodin said: To ease the burden of the taxpayers when it comes to the legal fees on these unconstitutional "laws". I suggest an oath breaker's law that takes 50% of all the legal fees owed to the plaintiffs when these laws get overturned for being unconstitutional and divide the debt equally among all legislators that voted for it and any governor that ratified it. This debt would be charged to them as an individual, not payable from PAC or campaign funds, and just like tax debt would be non-bankrupt able. If these people have the power to make everyone felons with the stroke of a pen then they need feel some of the pain when these "laws" are found to be unconstitutional and a violation of citizen's rights. The politicians in power are sociopaths. You are saying we should ask the same sociopaths in power to pass such a law that seriously limits their power and makes them accountable. They won't do that. Sociopaths will sociopath. I think there should be a law prohibiting sociopaths from any elected office or any position in power in government, elected or unelected. Of course, that requires sociopaths to pass that law and enforce that law as it currently stands. They won't do that. Sociopaths will sociopath. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ScopeEye Posted January 17, 2023 at 07:50 PM Share Posted January 17, 2023 at 07:50 PM Passing that law would be like criminals locking them selfs up Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yurimodin Posted January 17, 2023 at 08:26 PM Author Share Posted January 17, 2023 at 08:26 PM On 1/17/2023 at 1:40 PM, BobPistol said: The politicians in power are sociopaths. You are saying we should ask the same sociopaths in power to pass such a law that seriously limits their power and makes them accountable. They won't do that. Sociopaths will sociopath. I think there should be a law prohibiting sociopaths from any elected office or any position in power in government, elected or unelected. Of course, that requires sociopaths to pass that law and enforce that law as it currently stands. They won't do that. Sociopaths will sociopath. At some point in history the Brits sat the king down and wouldn't let him up without signing the Magna Carta. On 1/17/2023 at 1:37 PM, BobPistol said: With all the voter fraud and machine politics, that statement is questionable at best and lacks justice toward taxpayers. In addition, many who voted for good people who didn't get in - they get punished too. No justice there. nuh uh, you're not allowed to talk about that or we get called an election denying insuwectionist. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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