Illinois Dems Target "Assault Weapons", Age of Gun Owners

[steveTA84]

Good argument that was used in court today. Just because people aren’t shooting people with them in self defense doesn’t mean it isn’t commonly owned for self defense 

 

[RECarry]

On 12/6/2022 at 5:56 PM, Gerlo said:

These scum-sucking Democrats have no shame

 

Will someone else please write Bob Morgan and explain how Highland Park's Gun Free Zone fervor is like BAIT that attracts criminals and mayhem? The stupid runs deep.  

[Flynn]

On 12/6/2022 at 5:53 PM, THE KING said:

Challenge the requirement to have a FOID Card.  Again, look back to the history of the 2A from 1791.  

 

This right here, government permission slips to purchase/own a firearm in the US didn't exist until the the reconstrution era, and in those few reconstruction era examples they were laws enacted mandating freed slaves get a permission slip, with the sole purpose of having a law that allowed the government to deny that 'historical/tradition' right of gun ownership to just the freed slaves, hardly an argument that should be accepted as applicable under Bruen as using those reconstruction era laws actually prove history and tradition during the founding years did not require a permission slip at all...

[steveTA84]

On 12/6/2022 at 9:19 PM, Flynn said:

 

This right here, government permission slips to purchase/own a firearm in the US didn't exist until the the reconstrution era, and in those few reconstruction era examples they were laws enacted mandating freed slaves get a permission slip, with the sole purpose of having a law that allowed the government to deny that 'historical/tradition' right of gun ownership to just the freed slaves, hardly an argument that should be accepted as applicable under Bruen as using those reconstruction era laws actually prove history and tradition during the founding years did not require a permission slip at all...

Just look at the reason we actually have the FOID (yep, minorities started getting armed and the Daley machine didn’t like that, and to fight against it, have another means to arrest them)......

https://www.mom-at-arms.com/amp/turns-out-the-foid-card-exists-because-of-racial-tensions-and-armed-blacks

[steveTA84]

Look at this garbage from that new group LOL. It’s not funny, but they are clearly morons

[steveTA84]

Interesting tidbit. As predicted, opponents vastly outnumber proponents (I hope the fact that the people “partaking in democracy” don’t like it is brought up multiple times when it matters). This should shock no one: Even though she is vastly outnumbered, there are two pages of Karens for the draconian bill 

and not even a full page of Karens that oppose the bill. 

 

 

“Karen” is just miserable on the whole, as she is far more likely to be a Karen than not 

[Flynn]

On 12/6/2022 at 10:40 PM, steveTA84 said:

Look at this garbage from that new group LOL. It’s not funny, but they are clearly morons

LOL, nothing but your clasic means-end argument that sadly used to work, but is now is entirely moot.

[G214me]

On 12/6/2022 at 8:59 PM, RECarry said:

 

Will someone else please write Bob Morgan and explain how Highland Park's Gun Free Zone fervor is like BAIT that attracts criminals and mayhem? The stupid runs deep.  

Anti freedom leftists like Bob Morgan want more crime and mayhem. They hope for more dead bodies because without lots of dead bodies to use as props they have absolutely no platform for civilian disarmament. Notice liberals do all the can to keep criminals out of jail ( SAF-T ACT ) ? Notice how they fight so hard to keep school soft targets ? They do this so that more killings will happen and they can use those as a platform to push for more "common sense gun control". They especially love school massacres because those little dead bodies are a great platform to get scared parents to jump on the anti freedom bandwagon. Without mass killing what would they have to sell their ideas ? NOTHING.

[G214me]

On 12/6/2022 at 10:40 PM, steveTA84 said:

Look at this garbage from that new group LOL. It’s not funny, but they are clearly morons

I like how they use the line about Illinoisans having the right to keep and bear arms then go on with what guns aren't used to protect. Clearly bait for FUDS to support grabbing every firearm but theirs. I wonder if this slop outfit is funded by Soros, Bloomberg, Or our very own pile of blubber.

[steveTA84]

On 12/6/2022 at 2:14 PM, steveTA84 said:

 

More on Becky:

https://www.linkedin.com/in/beckycarroll7
 

Considered one of Chicago's top public affairs strategists, Becky is a two-decade veteran of high-profile political, crisis and public policy campaigns. She led public engagement and communications strategies to develop and promote bold, new initiatives on education, economic development, housing, pensions, and budget and finance issues. She served as a top adviser to public-sector executives at both Chicago's City Hall and the Illinois Office of the Governor lending her expertise to build stakeholder support for large scale public/private developments and partnerships. Her public sector executive experience includes: City of Chicago Departments of Planning & Development and Housing; Chicago Mayor’s Office; Chicago Public Schools; and Illinois Governor’s Office of Management and Budget. Becky has also held top positions on multiple local, state and national political campaigns, including National Director of Women for Obama on the 2008 Obama for President campaign. She also served as communications advisor to Governor-elect J.B. Pritzker‘s 2018 transition team. She's the founder and president of C-Strategies Inc., a strategic communications and public affairs firm that leads business and non-profit public affairs, crisis and advocacy campaigns, while helping clients get their stories told. As part of her firm’s mission, she focuses on empowering women and elevating their voices and issues that uniquely impact them through her monthly podcast “The Broad Cast”. Civic, volunteer and recognitions have include...Board member: NARAL Pro-Choice America; Equality Illinois; One Illinois; Chicago Area Public Affairs Group; and One Illinois. Mentoring: 1871; and Loyola University Chicago, Inside Government. Recognitions: Today.com 2016 “7 Parents Who Inspired Us”; “Making A Difference Award” 2016, Syrian American Medical Society; WeWill "Mom of the Year" 2017; and Chicago Business Journal 2018 Woman of Influence.

The two other people in charge:

 

 

Here’s Jesse:

 

 

Jonathan is an activist in the black community. He is also responsible for....wait for it.......yep! Voter engagement/ballot harvesting operations in Chicago 
 

 

As always with these pop-up groups, this group is well connected and well experienced. They’re going to be mostly targeting minority areas in the city/burbs to get them on board. Which demographic groups make up the largest increase in gun owners again? I’m sure they didn’t just buy pistols and rifles with mags that are <10 rounds.  Education on this bill (and the propaganda attempts like this group to sway people) will be key. Also, fear of what happens if enacted (because it’s true, millions of people will become felons) is needed, because honestly, what is “safe” about the ISP raiding someone’s house at 3am because of a tip they got that someone has 2 30 round mags?.....

[steveTA84]

Forgot this.  The whole goal of this org is going to be a mass PR campaign. It won’t be like MDA. Think potentially mailers, commercials  and door knockers. 

[Capt_Destro]

Courts and TRO's aside.

 

Im not advocating this.

 

But, compliance will be non existent for several reasons.

 

If this line does get crossed:

 

After they passed the Safe-T Act the penalties don't really have any teeth.

 

The word outlaw has a better ring to it than law abiding citizen following unconstitutional laws. The antis want to avoid the wild west, but they are just asking for it lmao. Only they wont be able to tell who's wearing a black hat.

 

It could be their neighbor, could be their doctor, could be their kid's teacher. They will be making people felons over night. They will have no idea who is a criminal. I hope this sinks in and they panic when they realize this.

 

[steveTA84]

On 12/7/2022 at 9:03 AM, Capt_Destro said:

Courts and TRO's aside.

 

Im not advocating this.

 

But, compliance will be non existent for several reasons.

 

If this line does get crossed:

 

After they passed the Safe-T Act the penalties don't really have any teeth.

 

The word outlaw has a better ring to it than law abiding citizen. The antis want to avoid the wild west, but they are just asking for it lmao. Only they wont be able to tell who's wearing a black hat.

 

It could be their neighbor, could be their doctor, could be their kid's teacher. They will be making people felons over night. They will have no idea who is a criminal. I hope this sinks in and they panic when they realize this.

Bob Morgan’s friend at the ADL wants more enforcement (more cops and more money to LE) of laws like this. Don’t think for a minute that they won’t work in exceptions (no bail) for breaking their lovely draconian stuff. Politicians and activists don’t care about real criminals, they care about their political opposition, and they want their opposition oppressed, disarmed and “dealt with” if they don’t do exactly what they say. I mean, they enact the SAFE-T act because of “systemic racism” and also the “defund the police” movement, but when it comes to stuff like turning people they don’t like into criminals because they have a 15 round mag.....

[Capt_Destro]

On 12/7/2022 at 9:06 AM, steveTA84 said:

Bob Morgan’s friend at the ADL wants more enforcement (more cops and more money to LE) of laws like this. Don’t think for a minute that they won’t work in exceptions (no bail) for breaking their lovely draconian stuff. Politicians and activists don’t care about real criminals, they care about their political opposition, and they want their opposition oppressed, disarmed and “dealt with” if they don’t do exactly what they say. I mean, they enact the SAFE-T act because of “systemic racism” and also the “defund the police” movement, but when it comes to stuff like turning people they don’t like into criminals because they have a 15 round mag.....

 

Same dude during a police shooting is probably all:

"But we have to defund the police!111"

[steveTA84]

On 12/7/2022 at 9:14 AM, Capt_Destro said:

 

Same dude during a police shooting is probably all:

"But we have to defund the police!111"

 Case and point LOL. You don’t think hard enforcement of this BS won’t result in more wrongful police shootings, misconduct and deaths?.......

 

 

Reality is, they want hardline enforcement against us, not the ones running around in Chicago shooting people

[Capt_Destro]

On 12/7/2022 at 9:20 AM, steveTA84 said:

 Case and point LOL. You don’t think hard enforcement of this BS won’t result in more wrongful police shootings, misconduct and deaths?.......

 

 

Reality is, they want hardline enforcement against us, not the ones running around in Chicago shooting people

Oh of course.

 

Its really obvious that the idiots downtown with select fire glocks/prior felonies get a pass.

 

But god forbid one of us owns a semi auto ar15 to protect ourselves from said idiots.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[crufflesmuth]

Additional thoughts ..

 

The moment this becomes law,

 

.. you're a felon, if you're possessing the magazines that came with your Glock

 

..you're proving the prosecutions argument, when you register your AR-15 .. when they come around to do a Conneticut ..

 

..

 

this will bite people the hardest, if you're in the suburbs..

 

one of my friends is getting DUI Combo Drugs charges dismissed this week, and he pointed out that suburban PD 

have a new trend of enforcing minor traffic violations with DUI charges added on; expect similar with this.

 

Even if you have 10 round magazines, you could still be charged with a misdemeanor - just because they can.

 

Having seen how the police under COVID-19 and lockdowns essentially merged with the executive and legislative

branches, I wouldn't even bother carrying a firearm in the suburbs, if this passes ..

 

an officer could use that charge in a similar fashion..

 

 

[Matt B]

I pointed out to my representative that most pistols sold come with 2 or 3 10+ round magazines in the box and that this bill would instantly subject most handgun owners in the state to felony arrest and prosecution. I was basically told to pound sand and now she’s a cosponser. Complete contempt for the 2A and gun owners.

[steveTA84]

On 12/7/2022 at 10:35 AM, Matt B said:

I pointed out to my representative that most pistols sold come with 2 or 3 10+ round magazines in the box and that this bill would instantly subject most handgun owners in the state to felony arrest and prosecution. I was basically told to pound sand and now she’s a cosponser. Complete contempt for the 2A and gun owners.

It’s a form of entrapment, as people are buying stuff legally and in a month, the things they bought legally will cause them to be a felon unless they dispose of items that came with it that made it function and purchase others items that are aftermarket to be in compliance. I mean, the state police is Ok’ing these transactions, right? So how is it not entrapment that they’ll then be tasked with enforcing things that they were Ok’ing...... 

 

 

on another note, the % of opposing vs proponent is remaining steady at a 45% + or so difference. It’s not even close. Those “partaking in democracy” don’t want this bill. Antis won’t touch this or close the gap unless they recruit outside forces to file slips and pretend to be IL residents 

[crufflesmuth]

On 12/7/2022 at 10:35 AM, Matt B said:

I pointed out to my representative that most pistols sold come with 2 or 3 10+ round magazines in the box and that this bill would instantly subject most handgun owners in the state to felony arrest and prosecution. I was basically told to pound sand and now she’s a cosponser. Complete contempt for the 2A and gun owners.

 

Facts don't matter to a legislator, let alone the police. Even if they provide a grandfather clause for the magazines, a police officer could still presume you have a prohibited item and make an arrest. The same is true with rifles and everything else they're trying with this bill. There are many avenues that are ripe for abuse within this bill. The State Police would establish a taskforce for compliance, how is that accomplished and who is being targeted? are they going to come after people with previously lawful property? we don't know - and I won't trust.

[Capt_Destro]

FYI MI is trying to ram the same bill through.

 

Literally looks like a clone.

 

Looks like a Bloombergs influence in several states.

 

 

[Capt_Destro]

On 12/7/2022 at 10:35 AM, Matt B said:

I pointed out to my representative that most pistols sold come with 2 or 3 10+ round magazines in the box and that this bill would instantly subject most handgun owners in the state to felony arrest and prosecution. I was basically told to pound sand and now she’s a cosponser. Complete contempt for the 2A and gun owners.

Isnt the magazine portion ex post facto?

 

The most civil way I can put this though:

 

"Respect for law is a basic tenet of democracy and the integrity of our judicial system. But the right to defy an unconstitutional law is also basic to our constitutional structure."

 

Ironically quoted from the new york law journal.

 

I hope they are ready for the courts spanking them, and litigation.

 

Its worth seeking a lawyer and just proceeding with our hobby and constitutional rights as we are today.

 

 

[G214me]

On 12/7/2022 at 9:06 AM, steveTA84 said:

Bob Morgan’s friend at the ADL wants more enforcement (more cops and more money to LE) of laws like this. Don’t think for a minute that they won’t work in exceptions (no bail) for breaking their lovely draconian stuff. Politicians and activists don’t care about real criminals, they care about their political opposition, and they want their opposition oppressed, disarmed and “dealt with” if they don’t do exactly what they say. I mean, they enact the SAFE-T act because of “systemic racism” and also the “defund the police” movement, but when it comes to stuff like turning people they don’t like into criminals because they have a 15 round mag.....

And hopefully soon Bob and his ADL buddy will be standing there looking stupid when this gets smacked down.

[G214me]

On 12/7/2022 at 10:47 AM, crufflesmuth said:

 

Facts don't matter to a legislator, let alone the police. Even if they provide a grandfather clause for the magazines, a police officer could still presume you have a prohibited item and make an arrest. The same is true with rifles and everything else they're trying with this bill. There are many avenues that are ripe for abuse within this bill. The State Police would establish a taskforce for compliance, how is that accomplished and who is being targeted? are they going to come after people with previously lawful property? we don't know - and I won't trust.

Hopefully this deadbeat bum state won't provide the funding for the ISP to establish a task force. Even if they do it will be a total cluster ____ that get's nowhere.

[mab22]

On 12/5/2022 at 10:09 AM, Tvandermyde said:

here is the second part I did on HB-5855

 

please like, subscribe post and share this video to up our subscribers and such

 

thanks

 

 

A FOID challenge has been filed? 
 

[crufflesmuth]

On 12/7/2022 at 10:58 AM, steveTA84 said:

This is the best part about this. The state police knows who had what of it was purchased from an FFL. Can someone explain why a registration fee is needed if the ISP already knows/can easily acquire (thanks Gun Dealer Licensing act) who is buying what and tie it to a FOID number? Poll taxes are illegal when exercising a right. SCOTUS ruled on that one too (Harper v Virginia State Board of Elections, 1966). All it is is paying the ISP (extortion so they don’t kick your door in and arrest you for what they know you have, also a FOPA violation) to acknowledge that you have something 

 

The goal of the registration portion is to make people fearful of arrest and to comply. If Gun Dealer Licensing lets the Illinois State Police know who has what; if that's true, I would argue it's worth risking arrest and continuing to possess your now "unregistered" rifle. I look at Chicago's handgun ban and how people lived under it. As long as you're not consenting to a search; have it stored on private property, it makes things difficult. Now, whether or not you could shoot at ranges, or transport it - still risky (assuming this passes). 

 

None of these proposals work. They know it. They don't care. The goal of the anti-violence movement is to make enough of these laws, so that when you step out of line, you have to spend more money and time defending yourself in court. Look at DUI laws, technically, under our states DUI statute, if you're driving home with a prescription from Walgreens, and you don't signal and cross the dotted line on the road, under the NHSTA training that Drug Recognition Experts are trained on: you can and will be convicted of a DUI - despite never using the prescription (under that scenario). If the mere presence of prescription drugs can convict someone of a DUI, it's not impossible for them to do the same with "legal" magazines. 

 

Worst case scenario, you could see people pulled over going from gun ranges, for police suspecting illegal possesion of X; you could also see people arrested for possession of 10 round magazines, with the argument those are "readily" convertible, because you can switch out the followers, springs and base-plates. If you're a police officer, the time to stand up against this is NOW. You might get away with private firearms, but like California and some of these other ban states, family members or relatives can get into deep trouble, if they're caught in the car with your personal firearms. You don't have to be Alex Jones, you can simply say, the state police have to come down to make that arrest. 

 

So that's what is coming with the Assault Weapon Ban. Even if ISP doesn't have a solid task force, suburban police departments will default to enforcement, and I expect them to - their behavior during this entire pandemic has shown where things will go. 

[mauserme]

Expanding on your thinking, even non-gun owners could be stopped while in the vicinity of a range on the mere chance that they may own a firearm illegally.

 

Or we could just dial  it back a bit and look at this logically.

 

 

[crufflesmuth]

On 12/7/2022 at 2:46 PM, mauserme said:

Expanding on your thinking, even non-gun owners could be stopped while in the vicinity of a range on the mere chance that they may own a firearm illegally.

 

Or we could just dial  it back a bit and look at this logically.

 

 

 

Logically, yes - that's overkill and bordering on hyperbole - it remains a possibility, none the less.

[defaultdotxbe]

On 12/7/2022 at 11:18 AM, Capt_Destro said:

Isnt the magazine portion ex post facto?

Technically no, since possession is an ongoing thing. You possessed the magazine before it was banned, but you also continued to possess it after the ban. It might be actionable if there is no grace period given (like 30 days to sell, destroy, turn in, permanently modify, etc before the full ban kicks in)

[EdDinIL]

On 12/7/2022 at 3:38 PM, defaultdotxbe said:

Technically no, since possession is an ongoing thing. You possessed the magazine before it was banned, but you also continued to possess it after the ban. It might be actionable if there is no grace period given (like 30 days to sell, destroy, turn in, permanently modify, etc before the full ban kicks in)

So, we wouldn't be instant felons, but felon wannabes for 300 days (stated in the bill) unless we comply, and because of that time period ex post facto wouldn't apply.

 

On 12/7/2022 at 2:46 PM, mauserme said:

Expanding on your thinking, even non-gun owners could be stopped while in the vicinity of a range on the mere chance that they may own a firearm illegally.

 

Or we could just dial  it back a bit and look at this logically.

Illinois, logical?  Maybe us, but I'm not sure I trust the state to be logical with regards to the 2A, especially if commie mommies start stalking gun ranges on day 301 looking to report potential violations.