soundguy Posted September 3, 2020 at 02:28 AM Posted September 3, 2020 at 02:28 AM (iii) are unloaded and enclosed in a case,firearm carrying box, shipping box, or other container by a person who has been issued a currently valid Firearm Owner's Identification Card; or Does (iii) cover a closed center console or glove box that do not have locks but lids that close? Does this also cover backpack while walking? Will firearm not broken down but unloaded via the magazine being removed but un-loaded with chamber empty in a previous examples (center console/glove box closed but not lockable, or walking with a bag or backpack) cover and be compliant on a IL Foid Card? Yes. And there is case law to back it all up. Look up "Fanny Pack Carry/Six Seconds to Safety".
lawman Posted September 3, 2020 at 02:55 AM Posted September 3, 2020 at 02:55 AM See the Illinois case of People v.Diggins, 379 Ill App 3d 994 holding that the center console is a case for this purpose. Affirmed by the Ill Supreme court case no 106367.
protean Posted September 3, 2020 at 03:37 AM Posted September 3, 2020 at 03:37 AM (iii) are unloaded and enclosed in a case,firearm carrying box, shipping box, or other container by a person who has been issued a currently valid Firearm Owner's Identification Card; or Does (iii) cover a closed center console or glove box that do not have locks but lids that close? Does this also cover backpack while walking? Will firearm not broken down but unloaded via the magazine being removed but un-loaded with chamber empty in a previous examples (center console/glove box closed but not lockable, or walking with a bag or backpack) cover and be compliant on a IL Foid Card? Yes. And there is case law to back it all up. Look up "Fanny Pack Carry/Six Seconds to Safety". Thanks I will definitely look this up. Thanks for the search terms.
protean Posted September 3, 2020 at 03:38 AM Posted September 3, 2020 at 03:38 AM See the Illinois case of People v.Diggins, 379 Ill App 3d 994 holding that the center console is a case for this purpose. Affirmed by the Ill Supreme court case no 106367.Thank you I will look this up.
mauserme Posted September 3, 2020 at 03:43 AM Posted September 3, 2020 at 03:43 AM See the Illinois case of People v.Diggins, 379 Ill App 3d 994 holding that the center console is a case for this purpose. Affirmed by the Ill Supreme court case no 106367.Thank you I will look this up. Here's a copy of People v Diggins. Illinois Supreme Court Opinion.pdf
Bitter Clinger Posted September 3, 2020 at 03:31 PM Posted September 3, 2020 at 03:31 PM See the Illinois case of People v.Diggins, 379 Ill App 3d 994 holding that the center console is a case for this purpose. Affirmed by the Ill Supreme court case no 106367. Just read this case. It's sickening how IL will ruin someone's life, sentencing the guy to 30 months in prison while bickering over what is a "case".
quackersmacker Posted September 3, 2020 at 11:03 PM Posted September 3, 2020 at 11:03 PM Ahhhhhhh, so nice to now be living in Tennessee and not obsessively worrying and arguing about this kind of absolute nonsense.......or taxes.......or winter!
hawkeye_jd Posted December 6, 2020 at 03:34 PM Posted December 6, 2020 at 03:34 PM Can a FOID holder who is transporting legally, i.e., unloaded, enclosed, not immediately accessible, leave the firearm stowed in a locked car and go into a restaurant to eat or into a store to shop (just a couple examples) while on his or her trip? maybe I’m missing it, but the answer to this doesn’t seem to be clear on the ISP website.
mauserme Posted December 6, 2020 at 04:06 PM Posted December 6, 2020 at 04:06 PM My reading of Illinois statute does not make those sorts of stops illegal so yes, in my opinion, you can.
Molly B. Posted December 6, 2020 at 04:33 PM Posted December 6, 2020 at 04:33 PM I concur with mauserme.
hawkeye_jd Posted December 6, 2020 at 04:48 PM Posted December 6, 2020 at 04:48 PM My reading of Illinois statute does not make those sorts of stops illegal so yes, in my opinion, you can. Thanks very much. Could you please provide a link to the statute you are referring to? Thanks again!
mauserme Posted December 6, 2020 at 04:55 PM Posted December 6, 2020 at 04:55 PM 720 ILCS 5/24 describes how it is legal to move a firearm from place to place, ie to "transport" it as defined in the statute. You won't find any language granting you permission to have lunch, though. Our laws don't operate to grant permission. Rather, they make specified acts illegal. All things not made illegal remain legal.
NRApistol Posted December 6, 2020 at 05:16 PM Posted December 6, 2020 at 05:16 PM Here is the DNR brochure and ISP one
hawkeye_jd Posted December 6, 2020 at 07:53 PM Posted December 6, 2020 at 07:53 PM 720 ILCS 5/24 describes how it is legal to move a firearm from place to place, ie to "transport" it as defined in the statute. You won't find any language granting you permission to have lunch, though. Our laws don't operate to grant permission. Rather, they make specified acts illegal. All things not made illegal remain legal. Thanks again - it is always helpful for me to read the statute.
hawkeye_jd Posted December 6, 2020 at 08:05 PM Posted December 6, 2020 at 08:05 PM Here is the DNR brochure and ISP one Thank you as well - I saw those both and read them before posting; I suppose what threw me for a bit of a loop was that the guidance even speaks to transportation knowingly or unknowingly by a non-FOID holder but didn't speak the question I posed. I guess in the situation I posited, the stowed firearm is still considered in transit, being transported, even though it is sitting in vehicle in a parking spot. For some reason, years ago I recall being told by a firearms instructor that one could only transport a firearm to a shooting range, for instance, only by traveling directly to and from the range, with no detours or stops. That advice never seemed right, but maybe I heard it wrong too. ;-)
mauserme Posted December 6, 2020 at 08:14 PM Posted December 6, 2020 at 08:14 PM Here is the DNR brochure and ISP one Thank you as well - I saw those both and read them before posting; I suppose what threw me for a bit of a loop was that the guidance even speaks to transportation knowingly or unknowingly by a non-FOID holder but didn't speak the question I posed. I guess in the situation I posited, the stowed firearm is still considered in transit, being transported, even though it is sitting in vehicle in a parking spot. For some reason, years ago I recall being told by a firearms instructor that one could only transport a firearm to a shooting range, for instance, only by traveling directly to and from the range, with no detours or stops. That advice never seemed right, but maybe I heard it wrong too. ;-) A destination is required in some states, Michigan for example, but not in Illinois.
InterestedBystander Posted December 6, 2020 at 08:34 PM Posted December 6, 2020 at 08:34 PM Here is the DNR brochure and ISP one I think this may be more recent. https://isp.illinois.gov/docs/FSB/General%20Information/1-154%20-%20Transporting%20Your%20Firearm.pdf
Plinkermostly Posted December 11, 2020 at 07:27 PM Posted December 11, 2020 at 07:27 PM Related: I believe that as a CCW holder, if I got out of the car and the firearm remains in the console loaded, I would put any occupants (even with FOID cards) at 'risk.'
Euler Posted December 11, 2020 at 08:33 PM Posted December 11, 2020 at 08:33 PM Related: I believe that as a CCW holder, if I got out of the car and the firearm remains in the console loaded, I would put any occupants (even with FOID cards) at 'risk.' That's a reason to make sure they get out of the car, too. (Or just stay in the car and make your kids/wife pump the gas....)
Bitter Clinger Posted December 12, 2020 at 01:53 PM Posted December 12, 2020 at 01:53 PM The fact that we even have to worry about this is absurd.Just sayin.
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