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#1 Hatchet

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Posted 19 June 2019 - 11:12 AM

I'm sure the ISP have already sent them their FOID revocation letters...

 

 

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(FOX) Chicago police say they took 56 illegal guns off city streets between Friday and Sunday and 22 people were arrested.

The weekend before that, there were 53 weapons arrests. A police spokesman says more than half of those 53 arrested have already been released on bond.

Despite the efforts, gun violence across Chicago from 5 p.m. Friday to 5 a.m. Monday claimed the lives of several people, including a teen shot to death Saturday in Englewood.

In total, shootings within city limits over Father’s Day weekend left at least six people dead and 22 others wounded.

 

 

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Posted 19 June 2019 - 11:26 AM

It is a system wide failure. There are simply no place to put criminals. Cook County lockup is bursting at the seams.

This puts the SA and judges in a bind because you have to lock up complete psychos but the violence has become the norm.

The weapons arrests are trivial compared to actual shootings.

When we have a place to put these criminals then it would change.

Since we don't, even actual shooters are on home confinement.

 

Suburban PDs used to rent out jail space for money.

They found out that they didn't get paid in a timely fashion from the County

and their prisoners were murders. A suburban LEO doesn't want to have to give

a person who is a murderer a Big Mac so most got out of the business of renting out their cells.

That's really why I don't worry about much about whatever laws that get passed,

you don't have room for people who are class X felons,

let alone the people who would be criminals under some of these new bills.



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Posted 19 June 2019 - 11:36 AM

A great big wall around the city of Chicago.  Lock them in it and don't let them out.


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Posted 19 June 2019 - 11:47 AM

A great big wall around the city of Chicago.  Lock them in it and don't let them out.

 

I think some of the decommissioned ships from the Navy for prisoners with

smaller ships around them with m61 vulcan 20mm guns on them.

Some decommissioned aircraft carriers would be fine in the middle of Lake Michigan.

Helicopter food and supply drops and let them act like the animals they are.

Escape from New York was fiction but my idea could work.

Bring then in every three months on a destroyer escort with some cannons.

It's cheap, effective and doable. No more "vacations".



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Posted 19 June 2019 - 12:48 PM

Hi,

Cook County Jail has been downsized over the years in a deliberate plan. If they reactivated the formerly occupied divisions there would be plenty of room for violent criminals to remain in custody.

There are now about 6,500 prisoners there, in a physical plant that at one time held 10,000.

Jail capacity is not the problem. It is the interrelated failings of other parts of the county's criminal justice dyste.m.

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Posted 19 June 2019 - 02:12 PM

There are actually prison abolitionists out there. They believe that all prisons are bad for all criminals.

http://criticalresistance.org/about/


Critical Resistance (CR) is building a member-led and member-run grassroots movement to challenge the use of punishment to cure complicated social problems. We know that more policing and imprisonment will not make us safer. Instead, we know that things like food, housing, and freedom are what create healthy, stable neighborhoods and communities. We work to prevent people from being arrested or locked up in prison.


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Posted 19 June 2019 - 04:48 PM

They need jesus....legalized infanticide...what do you really expect???.... welcome to era of complete negation of morality....

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Posted 19 June 2019 - 05:35 PM

There are actually prison abolitionists out there. They believe that all prisons are bad for all criminals.

http://criticalresistance.org/about/

 

Critical Resistance (CR) is building a member-led and member-run grassroots movement to challenge the use of punishment to cure complicated social problems. We know that more policing and imprisonment will not make us safer. Instead, we know that things like food, housing, and freedom are what create healthy, stable neighborhoods and communities. We work to prevent people from being arrested or locked up in prison.

 

Sure, prisons are bad for criminals, but that's not the point. The point is that criminals are bad for the rest of us, that's why we lock 'em up.


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Posted 19 June 2019 - 05:53 PM

Criminals are the cronies of LWW's.     That's why jails have revolving doors. 


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Posted 19 June 2019 - 06:06 PM

They need to tighten up the laws on the FFLs. That will solve the problem.
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Posted 19 June 2019 - 06:07 PM

Hi,

Cook County Jail has been downsized over the years in a deliberate plan. If they reactivated the formerly occupied divisions there would be plenty of room for violent criminals to remain in custody.

There are now about 6,500 prisoners there, in a physical plant that at one time held 10,000.

Jail capacity is not the problem. It is the interrelated failings of other parts of the county's criminal justice dyste.m.

FWIW.

Rich Phillips

 

That is technically true but some parts of it were falling down.

 

"Sheriff Thomas J. Dart sponsored legislation such as the Rocket Docket, advocated for a cashless bond system and promoted electronic monitoring for non-violent offenders. Over the past decade, the total on-site detainee population went from near capacity to approximately 7,500 individuals."

 

I guess you can commit murder in a non-violent way.



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Posted 19 June 2019 - 06:09 PM

They need to tighten up the laws on the FFLs. That will solve the problem.

 

You are a genius.

That WILL solve every problem related to any criminal activity.



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Posted 19 June 2019 - 07:02 PM

It is a system wide failure. There are simply no place to put criminals. Cook County lockup is bursting at the seams.

 

Isn't there an entire brand new empty prison floating around in Illinois somewhere? I thought they were talking about using it to house terrorists instead of Gitmo.


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Posted 19 June 2019 - 09:24 PM

They need to tighten up the laws on the FFLs. That will solve the problem.

 
You are a genius.
That WILL solve every problem related to any criminal activity.

It’s what the IL Legislature believes.
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Posted 19 June 2019 - 10:52 PM

 

It is a system wide failure. There are simply no place to put criminals. Cook County lockup is bursting at the seams.

 

Isn't there an entire brand new empty prison floating around in Illinois somewhere? I thought they were talking about using it to house terrorists instead of Gitmo.

 

 

There is a FEDERAL prison in Thomson that will hold 2800 inmates.

It cost Illinois 170 million to build in 2001. It was sold to the federal government.

They sold it for 165 million in 2012 and it will open this year.

There wont be any Gitmo prisoners going there.

Even if Illinois still had this prison, Illinois is 40% over it's capacity or 17,000 prisoners.

https://en.wikipedia...ectional_Center

https://will.illinoi...nt-overcapacity

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Our prisons are ready to burst, there is no place to put criminals now.

That screws up the whole system of justice, judges cant give out proper sentences.

That results in pleas that are just fluff. Someone commits a crime,

the minimum sentence is 15 years, they take a plea of two years and do 11 months.

That will stop the killing. What do the legislators do? They take it out on us, law abiding citizens.

Instead of tackling the real issues they make up "excuse legislation".

It's the gun owners, lets pass stupid laws that don't address the real problem.

I don't own a single gun that has shot anyone and I have never shot anyone.

Yet I and the people like me are the "problem". Romper Room logic.

I need a "magic mirror" to understand the logic. I don't have one.

                                                                        



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Posted 20 June 2019 - 12:44 AM

Maybe the judges should keep sentencing them correctly and force the state to build more prisons. With the taxes we pay at least we should get some safety in our everyday life. We dont need casinos.
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Posted 20 June 2019 - 01:11 AM

Maybe the judges should keep sentencing them correctly and force the state to build more prisons. With the taxes we pay at least we should get some safety in our everyday life. We dont need casinos.

 

I think to build a prison that would hold 17,000 prisoners would be close to a billion dollars.

Take into account operating expenses and it would be much more.

Judges are only playing their role, they are likely told that proper sentencing leads to more overcrowding.

More overcrowding means more lawsuits and unsafe prisons for the staff.

I understand where you are coming from but I don't think the answer is a simple one.

Illinois needs an influx of a couple of billion to pay for this. Who pays in the end?

You and I.



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Posted 20 June 2019 - 08:42 AM

A great big wall around the city of Chicago.  Lock them in it and don't let them out.

 

Cool, as long as the rest of the state doesn't drag the economy down to 45th place or so.



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Posted 20 June 2019 - 08:56 AM

 

A great big wall around the city of Chicago.  Lock them in it and don't let them out.

 

Cool, as long as the rest of the state doesn't drag the economy down to 45th place or so.

 

Would 44th be ok then?


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Posted 21 June 2019 - 11:30 AM

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Posted 21 June 2019 - 11:32 AM

They could confine some to the 2 governor's mansions that nobody ever lives in...


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Posted 21 June 2019 - 12:36 PM

Hi,
Cook County Jail has been downsized over the years in a deliberate plan. If they reactivated the formerly occupied divisions there would be plenty of room for violent criminals to remain in custody.
There are now about 6,500 prisoners there, in a physical plant that at one time held 10,000.
Jail capacity is not the problem. It is the interrelated failings of other parts of the county's criminal justice dyste.m.
FWIW.
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I worked on that story years ago. Planned actual capacity is 5000... but need forced them to cram over 10000 into that space. The only reason they were dumping inmates was to house what the facility could handle.
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Posted 21 June 2019 - 01:47 PM

If you teach your children they come from animals, why should anyone be surprised when they act like one.

One does not need to believe in (or even be taught) creation over evolution to behave like a civil human being.
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Posted 21 June 2019 - 01:58 PM

 

If you teach your children they come from animals, why should anyone be surprised when they act like one.

One does not need to believe in (or even be taught) creation over evolution to behave like a civil human being.

 

God created evolution. 

I win.

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Posted 21 June 2019 - 02:32 PM

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Posted 21 June 2019 - 05:01 PM

 

If you teach your children they come from animals, why should anyone be surprised when they act like one.

One does not need to believe in (or even be taught) creation over evolution to behave like a civil human being.

 

 

No, but understanding one will be held to account at the reckoning tends to temper we sinner's enthusiasm.


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While the people are virtuous they cannot be subdued; but once they lose their virtue, they will be ready to surrender their liberties to the first external or internal invader." ~ Samuel Adams 1779 to James Warren

 

Good intentions will always be pleaded for every assumption of authority. It is hardly too strong to say that the Constitution was made to guard the people against the dangers of good intentions. There are men in all ages who mean to govern well, but they mean to govern. They promise to be good masters, but they mean to be masters. ~Daniel Webster

 

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Posted 21 June 2019 - 05:01 PM

 

 

If you teach your children they come from animals, why should anyone be surprised when they act like one.

One does not need to believe in (or even be taught) creation over evolution to behave like a civil human being.

 

God created evolution. 

I win.

We all win.

 

 

No argument with that premise.


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While the people are virtuous they cannot be subdued; but once they lose their virtue, they will be ready to surrender their liberties to the first external or internal invader." ~ Samuel Adams 1779 to James Warren

 

Good intentions will always be pleaded for every assumption of authority. It is hardly too strong to say that the Constitution was made to guard the people against the dangers of good intentions. There are men in all ages who mean to govern well, but they mean to govern. They promise to be good masters, but they mean to be masters. ~Daniel Webster

 

How much can you put in your signature before it becomes too long??

 





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