GTX63 Posted August 3, 2019 at 02:44 PM Posted August 3, 2019 at 02:44 PM How many Grandpas and Uncles should that state police be rounding up and heading off to the hoosegow about now? My Father In Law rounded up some old 22 rifles he had purchased at a gun show and passed them out to a few great grandkids several Christmases ago, before he went into the nursing home.Lock him up!
2A4Cook Posted August 3, 2019 at 03:15 PM Posted August 3, 2019 at 03:15 PM Obviously, lefty Dumborat parents "gifting" common sense to their gene pool has also been prohibited in Illifornicate ... The intention is clear: they will know exactly which firearms are owned by which disenfranchised serfs when they finally seize their chance to disarm the peasantry.
defaultdotxbe Posted August 3, 2019 at 03:16 PM Posted August 3, 2019 at 03:16 PM ( b ) A person commits the offense of unlawfulpurchase of a firearm who knowingly purchasesor attempts to purchase a firearm with the intentto deliver that firearm to another person who isprohibited by federal or State law frompossessing a firearm. ( c ) A person commits the offense of unlawfulpurchase of a firearm when he or she, inpurchasing or attempting to purchase a firearm,intentionally provides false or misleadinginformation on a United States Department ofthe Treasury, Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco andFirearms firearms transaction record form. ( d ) Exemption. It is not a violation ofsubsection ( b ) of this Section for a person tomake a gift or loan of a firearm to a person whois not prohibited by federal or State law frompossessing a firearm if the transfer of the firearmis made in accordance with Section 3 of theFirearm Owners Identification Card Act
2A4Cook Posted August 3, 2019 at 03:20 PM Posted August 3, 2019 at 03:20 PM ( b ) A person commits the offense of unlawfulpurchase of a firearm who knowingly purchasesor attempts to purchase a firearm with the intentto deliver that firearm to another person who isprohibited by federal or State law frompossessing a firearm.( c ) A person commits the offense of unlawfulpurchase of a firearm when he or she, inpurchasing or attempting to purchase a firearm,intentionally provides false or misleadinginformation on a United States Department ofthe Treasury, Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco andFirearms firearms transaction record form.( d ) Exemption. It is not a violation ofsubsection ( b ) of this Section for a person tomake a gift or loan of a firearm to a person whois not prohibited by federal or State law frompossessing a firearm if the transfer of the firearmis made in accordance with Section 3 of theFirearm Owners Identification Card Act If that provision remains unchanged (I ain't looking dat up), someone needs a new lawyer, or to get one if they looked it up themselves.
mrmagloo Posted August 3, 2019 at 05:03 PM Posted August 3, 2019 at 05:03 PM This is the pertinent section: Exemption. It is not a violation of subsection ( b ) of this Section for a person to make a gift or loan of a firearm to a person who is not prohibited by federal or State law from possessing a firearm if the transfer of the firearm is made in accordance with Section 3 of the Firearm Owners Identification Card Act Imho, you can certainly buy a gun for a family member as a gift, provided they are not restricted from owning a gun and have a FOID. That said, buying a gun for someone else might be a slippery slope in some scenarios.
InterestedBystander Posted August 3, 2019 at 05:23 PM Posted August 3, 2019 at 05:23 PM Many if not most gun stores I have seen are leery of gifting lest they get jammed up be it right or not. I have seen them suggest buying a gift card for the amount and presenting that.
Euler Posted August 3, 2019 at 05:39 PM Posted August 3, 2019 at 05:39 PM (a) ... no person may knowingly transfer ... any firearm, ... unless the transferee ... displays ... a currently valid Firearm Owner's Identification Card ... or ... a currently valid license to carry a concealed firearm ... ... (a-10) ... any person ... who desires to transfer ... a firearm ... to any person ... shall ... determine the validity of the transferee's ... Firearm Owner's Identification Card.... (a-15) The provisions of subsection (a-10) of this Section do not apply to: ... (2) transfers as a bona fide gift to the transferor's husband, wife, son, daughter, stepson, stepdaughter, father, mother, stepfather, stepmother, brother, sister, nephew, niece, uncle, aunt, grandfather, grandmother, grandson, granddaughter, father-in-law, mother-in-law, son-in-law, or daughter-in-law; ... In other words, a gift within Illinois requires that the recipient be eligible to own a firearm, including possessing a FOID. In addition, the gifter need not check the validity of the recipient's FOID if the recipient is a close family members, as defined by law. These gift laws only apply in-state. Gifting out-of-state is subject to Federal laws, the same as any other interstate transfer.
Lou Posted August 3, 2019 at 05:45 PM Posted August 3, 2019 at 05:45 PM The easiest way to do it is to price out the firearm with all taxes and fees included and buy a gift certificate for that amount. Give it to the recipient with a photo of what to buy and where. Easy peasie.
ilphil Posted August 3, 2019 at 06:00 PM Posted August 3, 2019 at 06:00 PM There have been plenty of posts here over the years regarding FFLs that choose to enforce rules that go beyond either state or federal law.All I can say is that any dealer that won’t let me buy a firearm as a gift for either my wife or adult daughter won’t be getting any of my business. There are more than enough laws already on the books without FFLs deciding to make up their own.And yes, I know, it’s their business and yada yada yada.But it’s my $$ and I can choose where to spend it.
Euler Posted August 3, 2019 at 06:16 PM Posted August 3, 2019 at 06:16 PM They can have whatever policy they want, that's not my point. Saying "The State of Illinois specifically prohibits gifting" is false and the point I'm trying to make. Their next statement isn't entirely true either. "You may not purchase a firearm with the intent on giving it or selling it to someone else, regardless of whether or not they are legally allowed to possess a firearm." The State of Illinois specifically allows gifting, including suspending the requirement to check the recipient's FOID (for close family members). It's a different topic, but that would come to an end if "Fix the FOID" passes. Universal background checks require even gifts to go through an FFL.
Bubbacs Posted August 3, 2019 at 07:15 PM Posted August 3, 2019 at 07:15 PM the LGS where i go allows the whole gift card thing and highly recommends it!walk to the front register and buy a gift cardwalk to the gun counter and ask to but that firearmhand them the gift card and finish business
spanishjames Posted August 4, 2019 at 12:01 AM Posted August 4, 2019 at 12:01 AM My concern isn't a store's specific policies. I worked for a FFL for many yrs. Been there with gifts, straw purchases, etc., etc. My point is this store made up a law that doesn't exist..Just let them know they're wrong, and buy elsewhere.
Craigcelia Posted August 4, 2019 at 05:00 AM Posted August 4, 2019 at 05:00 AM I'll never step foot in Maxon's. They suck - weren't real "instructor friendly" when I scoped them out. I'll go elsewhere over them Sent from my SM-G955U using Tapatalk
2A4Cook Posted August 4, 2019 at 11:33 PM Posted August 4, 2019 at 11:33 PM It might not have been the ownership's fault. There is always the possibility of bad legal advice.
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