Revised B-27 Guidelines from ISP

[gangrel]

It's about time!

 

IMPORTANT NOTICE TO CONCEALED CARRY INSTRUCTORS:

Effectively immediately, the Illinois State Police will be recognizing new
Live Fire Scoring requirements. Instructors were previously provided
information to indicate that in order for a round to be scored as a "hit",
a round must break through the target within the scoring rings - Illinois
Administrative Code, Part 20, Section 1231.10. The Illinois State
Police has now determined it is acceptable for a round to be scored as a
"hit" if the round breaks through the silhouette picture. The Frequently
Asked Questions on the Illinois State Police website will reflect this new
information as illustrated below. A new CCL Instructor information
package will be forthcoming.


Q: What does "Hit the Target" and "Scoring Area" in reference to the
required range portion of Concealed Carry License Training?

A: "Hit the Target" and "Scoring Area" mean a round that has impacted
within the black portion of the silhouette on a B-27 target. Any round
that breaks the line between the black portion of the silhouette and the
non-scoring area is considered a "hit."

Illinois State Police
Concealed Carry Firearms
Instructor/Curriculum Section
801 S Seventh Street, Suite 400-M
Springfield, IL 62703

[Lou]

I just got that email which was sent to all the instructors.

Took them long enough.

[Cerus]

Isn't it already that way now but they're wanting to change it to within a certain ring? That's how it's done here and how my class scored it - anywhere in the black.

[sirflyguy]

Wow. I was under the impression the scoring ring thing was smacked down the first time they tried it and that JCAR never approved it.

[sirflyguy]

And I have NOT received the email yet.

[Double-J]

Guess they finally understood the stopping ability of a head shot...

[InterestedBystander]

Wow. I was under the impression the scoring ring thing was smacked down the first time they tried it and that JCAR never approved it.

This is what I thought to already be in place.

[Molly B.]

Wow. I was under the impression the scoring ring thing was smacked down the first time they tried it and that JCAR never approved it.

 

 

You are correct, but they did not make a public announcement or edit the ISP website, until now.

[Tango7]

And I have NOT received the email yet.

Nor I.

[jazzemt]

I received the email. And whomever sent it out does not understand Bcc.

[Lou]

I received the email. And whomever sent it out does not understand Bcc.

 

You got that right. At least you now have the email of every ISP approved instructor in the state.

[sirflyguy]

 

I received the email. And whomever sent it out does not understand Bcc.

You got that right. At least you now have the email of every ISP approved instructor in the state.

And you can now spam them!!

[Lou]

 

 

I received the email. And whomever sent it out does not understand Bcc.

You got that right. At least you now have the email of every ISP approved instructor in the state.

And you can now spam them!!

 

I already get a lot of spam........

[wtr100]

And I have NOT received the email yet.

 

me either

[wtr100]

what about the little silhouette picture in the upper left corner?

[Tvandermyde]

this has been in the works for a bit. After a couple of meetings with the Governor's staff, they pushed the correction through. I've been waiting for the roll out.

 

it came to a head after I taught a CLE seminar for the State Bar Assn. and a prosecutor from Dupage was putting out the BS about scoring rings citing the state police website.

 

that brought things to a head with ISP and my contact in the Governor's office. the Email from the prosecutor helped push them along.

[Rockdiver]

what about the little silhouette picture in the upper left corner?

They will be disseminating a directive about the extra credit area later in the month.

 

The unconfirmed rumor has it that if your last 5 go in, the state will send you a shiny concealed carry badge.

 

Lol.

 

Rocco

[Bubbacs]

No e-mails here, maybe they are still holding back!

[Keith44]

No e-mails here, maybe they are still holding back!

Some e-mail providers silently drop the inbound e-mail if there are too many addresses on the "to" or "cc" fields...

 

The use of "bcc" is one mechanism to get around this "feature".

 

-Keith.

[Mr. Fife]

Covering my bases. CZ went ahead and tipped the scales so I'm IN JIC.

[gangrel]

 

 

 

You got that right. At least you now have the email of every ISP approved instructor in the state.

And you can now spam them!!

 

Yep, Was spammed due to this.

 

Only spam I got so far was from Rocco.

 

I kid 'cause I like ya, Rocco!

[NRApistol]

 

 

I received the email. And whomever sent it out does not understand Bcc.

You got that right. At least you now have the email of every ISP approved instructor in the state.

And you can now spam them!!

 

Yep, Was spammed due to this.

[highland]

I've not received an email yet. As far as spam goes our email addresses are public record on https://ispfsb.com/Public/instructors.aspx

 

That said I'm wondering if they will notify all of us.

[C0untZer0]

Sender should be:

 

"Instructor_Docs@isp.state.il.us" <Instructor_Docs@isp.state.il.us>

[RoadyRunner]

Still no email for me... however, I checked the box to not be listed on their public directory. I wonder if that means I didn't get cc'd...

[sirflyguy]

Still no email for me... however, I checked the box to not be listed on their public directory. I wonder if that means I didn't get cc'd...

I never got one, either, and I am on their public directory.

[Cougar8000]

So, now hitting a barn door counts?

[Quiet Observer]

So, now hitting a barn door counts?

 

Yes, the FCCL is a compromise between having no restrictions for carrying and no carrying at all. It is not designed to train a cadre of expert pistol combatants.

The lower extremities are not part of the target. But a hit in the femur or femoral artery can result in rapid loss of blood and death, especially with the damage caused by bullets developed in recent years.

[wtr100]

So, now hitting a barn door counts?

 

 

No the ISP has been forced to do something as shocking as follow the law

[tloc1969]

First of all the way I look at it the CCL course is NOT a beginners class for folks wanting to accessorize their purses, mini-vans console or have a 'cool' bulge on their belts. I allow a specific amount of range time and if they need remedial [or basic] training it is per-hour. If a student can't place their shots per the IL requirement than too bad I'm not signing off on a sub-par shooter with a shotgun-like bullet pattern. Poor shot placement beyond being instructed correctly is usually due to selecting the incorrect firearm for their specific needs, lack of practice or both.

 

I got a call last week from a Crooked County 'lefty' mom who was against guns until her 'girls' started getting them...she point blank asked me, "What is the easiest way I can get one of those carry-card thingies.'

 

I told her I don't teach the 'thingy' class, I recommended she attend one of the rubber-stamp fly-by-night puppy mills being held at the Ramada, Holiday inn etc. on any given weekend and that they will work around her soccer and shopping schedule.