Is an FFL Required

[CarmenA]

I've heard and read from the ATF website that an FFL isn't required to buy bulk ammunition for resale.

Not the manufacturing just reselling. Any thoughts on that ?

[mikew]

On 6/22/2024 at 4:59 PM, CarmenA said:

I've heard and read from the ATF website that an FFL isn't required to buy bulk ammunition for resale.

Not the manufacturing just reselling. Any thoughts on that ?

How do you feel about that?

 

[CarmenA]

Well I'd like to start a business doing just that.

[ealcala31]

Correct, no FFL required to sell manufactured ammo. If YOU manufacture it yourself, you will need an 06 FFL.

[John Q Public]

Right, so for instance, if an FFL primed say a shotgun shell and you put a wad and shot in and crimped you would need the FFL. All components are regulated under the GCA.

 

Do I have this right people?

 

JQ

[davel501]

That doesn't sound right. Where's the reloaders? Should only apply if you sell ammo. 

[ealcala31]

[Odinson]

Seems to me that reloading ammunition is just putting the parts described as 'ammunition' above into proper working order. Someone else manufactures the components.

[RandyP]

On 6/24/2024 at 7:57 AM, Odinson said:

Seems to me that reloading ammunition is just putting the parts described as 'ammunition' above into proper working order. Someone else manufactures the components.

I've been reloading since '08. NO regulations as long as my ammo is for MY consumption, not for sale to anyone which would make me a 'manufacturer' requiring an FFL.

[yurimodin]

I thought you needed the basically the same FFL as a dealer to sell ammo at retail. I guarantee this rouge communist ATF will find a way to screw you, and if not them then the Illinois Stasi Patrol will get you.

[John Q Public]

There are many types of FFLs.

 

See  https://www.atf.gov/resource-center/fact-sheet/fact-sheet-federal-firearms-and-explosives-licenses-types

[Odinson]

On 6/24/2024 at 8:49 AM, RandyP said:

I've been reloading since '08. NO regulations as long as my ammo is for MY consumption, not for sale to anyone which would make me a 'manufacturer' requiring an FFL.

I get it. My moot point is that the law quoted above by ealcala31 reads like you'd only need a license to manufacture cartridge cases, primers, bullets or propellant powder. I'm guessing most reloaders buy these components (maybe modify the brass by cleaning, etc.) and assemble them into operational cartridges. Probably some do manufacture the bullets (ala Mel Gibson melting down his kid's action figures).

[davel501]

On 6/24/2024 at 8:49 AM, RandyP said:

I've been reloading since '08. NO regulations as long as my ammo is for MY consumption, not for sale to anyone which would make me a 'manufacturer' requiring an FFL.

 

Thanks! 

[JTHunter]

If I reload ammo, can I "donate it" to someone?  Or give it as a gift?

[RandyP]

On 6/25/2024 at 11:48 AM, JTHunter said:

If I reload ammo, can I "donate it" to someone?  Or give it as a gift?

For liability reasons I choose to keep my reloads for my own use. Not a law, but I sleep better. lol

[JTHunter]

On 6/25/2024 at 12:21 PM, RandyP said:

For liability reasons I choose to keep my reloads for my own use. Not a law, but I sleep better. lol

 

Understand and agree.  It's just that I'm the "collector" in my family (no spouse/kids of my own) but I have nieces & nephews that I'm trying to get interested.

[CarmenA]

Sounds like I'm good to go! 

 

[mab22]

On 6/24/2024 at 8:49 AM, RandyP said:

I've been reloading since '08. NO regulations as long as my ammo is for MY consumption, not for sale to anyone which would make me a 'manufacturer' requiring an FFL.

This is the understanding from a reloading class I recently took. Your consumption, no license. Someone else using your reloads/loads license required. I was considering getting the 06 if any relatives, friends want custom reloads.

[modeler1945]

On 6/27/2024 at 10:51 PM, mab22 said:

This is the understanding from a reloading class I recently took.

Out of curiosity, where did you come across this class, and what did they teach? Is it basic reloading skills/process or was it a more advanced things like annealing, neck concentricity, etc. I never knew a reloading class existed. 

[mab22]

On 6/28/2024 at 8:52 AM, modeler1945 said:

Out of curiosity, where did you come across this class, and what did they teach? Is it basic reloading skills/process or was it a more advanced things like annealing, neck concentricity, etc. I never knew a reloading class existed. 

Check for the reloading courses here, some are more advanced then others.

https://www.nrainstructors.org/search.aspx

 

[modeler1945]

On 6/28/2024 at 10:08 AM, mab22 said:

Check for the reloading courses here, some are more advanced then others.

https://www.nrainstructors.org/search.aspx

 

Awesome thanks!

[Smallbore]

I have done some one on one short courses to get new people started. I am a NRA instructor certified to teach the reloading courses. The full course is good but not the demand for me to put in that much time.

[mab22]

On 6/27/2024 at 10:51 PM, mab22 said:

This is the understanding from a reloading class I recently took. Your consumption, no license. Someone else using your reloads/loads license required. I was considering getting the 06 if any relatives, friends want custom reloads.

Does anyone know where to find the requirements for FFL's in Cook County, and Chicago's requirements for selling firearms and ammo?

 

My understanding is the Federal stuff is straight forward, Cook and Chicago appear to be elusive to me.

[ealcala31]

On 8/11/2024 at 10:02 PM, mab22 said:

Does anyone know where to find the requirements for FFL's in Cook County, and Chicago's requirements for selling firearms and ammo?

Can you explain your question better? If I am understanding you correctly, you want to become an 01 FFL Dealer or an 06 FFL Ammunition Manufacturer?

[mab22]

On 8/11/2024 at 10:12 PM, ealcala31 said:

Can you explain your question better? If I am understanding you correctly, you want to become an 01 FFL Dealer or an 06 FFL Ammunition Manufacturer?

From what I could find, IF I want to sell "just ammo" in Chicago and or Cook County, the little I could find is that it may require a an actual FFL license, this would be aside from any manufacturing of ammo.
 

[ealcala31]

On 8/11/2024 at 10:20 PM, mab22 said:

From what I could find, IF I want to sell "just ammo" in Chicago and or Cook County, the little I could find is that it may require a an actual FFL license, this would be aside from any manufacturing of ammo.
 

Do you live in Chicago?

[mab22]

On 8/12/2024 at 8:49 PM, ealcala31 said:

Do you live in Chicago?

No, but I am in cook. Digging a bit more today I “think” if you have an actual footprint in city THEN you may need a dangerous weapons dealer license. 
Which makes me curious about all the BS with vendors that don’t want to ship there. 
 

[ealcala31]

On 8/12/2024 at 9:48 PM, mab22 said:

No, but I am in cook. Digging a bit more today I “think” if you have an actual footprint in city THEN you may need a dangerous weapons dealer license. 
Which makes me curious about all the BS with vendors that don’t want to ship there. 
 

To get an 06 Ammunition Manufacture License some local municipalities require a manufacture "special district" for that residence, if you're thinking about being home-based. So, you'll have to get permission from your local municipality. Home-based or retail location will need to get an OK from the fire department. That's where the problem will arise. What the fire department is going to require and getting insurance for manufacturing ammunition. 

[Smallbore]

On 8/12/2024 at 9:48 PM, mab22 said:

No, but I am in cook. Digging a bit more today I “think” if you have an actual footprint in city THEN you may need a dangerous weapons dealer license. 
Which makes me curious about all the BS with vendors that don’t want to ship there. 
 

I suspect vendors have no problem shipping to an ffl. The problem is with their fear of the FOID act and pica and progressive prosecutors treatment of us lowlife unworthy peasants and likely them the vendors. I can't blame the vendors. I blame Illinois voters.

[mab22]

On 8/12/2024 at 9:58 PM, ealcala31 said:

To get an 06 Ammunition Manufacture License some local municipalities require a manufacture "special district" for that residence, if you're thinking about being home-based. So, you'll have to get permission from your local municipality. Home-based or retail location will need to get an OK from the fire department. That's where the problem will arise. What the fire department is going to require and getting insurance for manufacturing ammunition. 

 

So doing more research and looking at an 01 FFL, how does Illinois measure the distance to schools, day care facilities, etc from a retail building? 
According to a mapping “tool” it appears my “building” is very close to the 500 foot limit, so I am curious now….

 

Is there a FFL forum for Illinois somewhere that may have answers on FFL rules in IL?

 

Thanks!