AlphaKoncepts aka CGS Posted March 13, 2014 at 02:38 PM Posted March 13, 2014 at 02:38 PM If this should go in the backroom, mods please move it. I read a forum post on another forum from a new member claiming to be an instructor. One of his first posts is to post in IL how instructors teaching multiple state CC classes are crooks. Stated that the IL, FL & AZ classes must be separate from one another. I don't think anyone disputes UT must be separate, or at least partially separated, however I schooled him just a little bit about the FL AZ without giving away too many trade secrets which 99% of us here already know. The purpose of this post? In case any of your students ask how you can teach a multi state class. There are people out there saying we are breaking the law in doing so.
FSA Posted March 13, 2014 at 02:43 PM Posted March 13, 2014 at 02:43 PM Tell them to come up with some facts for us to see, in other words **** or get off the pot. The way I do it has been approved my Utah and Florida.
jagt48 Posted March 13, 2014 at 02:47 PM Posted March 13, 2014 at 02:47 PM I took my Utah and Missouri CCW classes together in St. Louis six or seven years ago. What is illegal about it? Is this guy just trying to milk people for more money? Because that's what it sounds like. The question is "Have you done XYZ to satisfy the requirements?" It doesn't say anything about having to be a stand alone class.
DomG Posted March 13, 2014 at 02:51 PM Posted March 13, 2014 at 02:51 PM Too idiotic to even reply to him.
Drylok Posted March 13, 2014 at 02:55 PM Posted March 13, 2014 at 02:55 PM It not that youre teaching different states its just what we teach happens to meet the requirements for some other states like az and fl. That guy needs to understand the difference
jagt48 Posted March 13, 2014 at 02:58 PM Posted March 13, 2014 at 02:58 PM It not that youre teaching different states its just what we teach happens to meet the requirements for some other states like az and fl. That guy needs to understand the difference This. My instructor when I took mine not only had Utah and the classroom portion of Missouri applications, but also Florida ones because Florida law allows this.
wtr100 Posted March 13, 2014 at 03:00 PM Posted March 13, 2014 at 03:00 PM Maybe he's an Army SWAT Seal
KarlJ Posted March 13, 2014 at 03:13 PM Posted March 13, 2014 at 03:13 PM Maybe an anti trying to create confusion or controversy?
RockerXX Posted March 13, 2014 at 03:20 PM Posted March 13, 2014 at 03:20 PM Instructor is an idiot, he needs to read FL and AZ training requirements as he is clearly ignorant to what they are... Pretty much any training that gives you gun basics is fully compliant, doesn't matter if it double dipped between states...
Tango7 Posted March 13, 2014 at 03:29 PM Posted March 13, 2014 at 03:29 PM The only issue I could see is if the instructor fails to teach the laws of the state as required... but that can happen teaching one state or thirty...
Rockdiver Posted March 13, 2014 at 03:59 PM Posted March 13, 2014 at 03:59 PM Perhaps im confused, I thought the only common non res state that had issues with the tandem course was UT, but you could just add the FL requirements at the end. Why the heck are they worried about teaching FL and AZ? Is anyone in IL actually doing that? I have a Florida and Arizona Non resident permit course for sale right now.....I call it NRA Basic Pistol, and if you act fast I will even throw in some of those free packets that FL.and AZ keep sending me. I tell you what...if you are patient and can actually refrain from movement, I will even roll you if I have time.( Ohhh the HORROR!) ThisIs NotRocketSciencefor Christ's Sake Rocco
stoph68 Posted March 13, 2014 at 04:01 PM Posted March 13, 2014 at 04:01 PM The Florida Concealed carry site clearly states "Any National Rifle Association firearms safety or training course"... It also states "Any firearms safety or training course or class conducted by a state-certified instructor or by an instructor certified by the National Rifle Association"I think that this pretty much covers most of us.. I teach NRA BP for the first 8hrs and issue Certificates just to make Florida CCL an easy option for my students.
stoph68 Posted March 13, 2014 at 04:03 PM Posted March 13, 2014 at 04:03 PM Rocco beat me to it.... (What He said...)
AlphaKoncepts aka CGS Posted March 13, 2014 at 04:42 PM Author Posted March 13, 2014 at 04:42 PM Tell them to come up with some facts for us to see, in other words **** or get off the pot. The way I do it has been approved my Utah and Florida.Yep, I just didn't want to get into specifics and tell them what they obviously don't already know.Maybe an anti trying to create confusion or controversy?I think this, he had only 6 posts as of the time he posted saying multi state classes were illegal.
AlphaKoncepts aka CGS Posted March 13, 2014 at 04:43 PM Author Posted March 13, 2014 at 04:43 PM Instructor is an idiot, he needs to read FL and AZ training requirements as he is clearly ignorant to what they are... Pretty much any training that gives you gun basics is fully compliant, doesn't matter if it double dipped between states...Thing is though, a vast majority of people go on hearsay. "I was told this..." Well if the guy who told you was wrong, youa re wrong, if the guy who told youw as right, you are right. Yep just needs to spend some time doing the research like we all had to.
Beezil Posted March 13, 2014 at 05:24 PM Posted March 13, 2014 at 05:24 PM 8hr basic pistol is a recognized training module that satisfies the requirements for more states than what some instructors typically advertise.. The fact that some instructors inform participants that their training will allow them to obtain additional non-resident permits doesn't make them inthe slightest bit dishonest or crooked.....it means they are current, knowledgeable and are able to bring more value to customers. that guy is an idiot.
AlphaKoncepts aka CGS Posted March 13, 2014 at 05:24 PM Author Posted March 13, 2014 at 05:24 PM 8hr basic pistol is a recognized training module that satisfies the requirements for more states than what some instructors typically advertise.. The fact that some instructors inform participants that their training will allow them to obtain additional non-resident permits doesn't make them inthe slightest bit dishonest or crooked.....it means they are current, knowledgeable and are able to bring more value to customers. that guy is an idiot.Ding Ding Ding, winner winner, chicken dinner!
pgsailor Posted March 13, 2014 at 05:38 PM Posted March 13, 2014 at 05:38 PM I wanted to make sure about teaching combo Iowa and Utah classes so I called Utah and actually spoke to one of the instructors that taught the Utah instructor class last December. He said that is fine but they would prefer you teach the entire Utah class first and then add what ever state specific laws you have to cover. He didn't even say you had to do it that way but they would prefer it. I cover everything that Utah requires and much more and the public gets a good deal and instructors get good publicity.
BIGDEESUL Posted March 13, 2014 at 07:04 PM Posted March 13, 2014 at 07:04 PM I advertise an Illinois, Florida, and Arizona concealed carry class. Basic pistol 1st day, IL specific second and hand out the free FL and AZ packets. Sent from my Galaxy S4 using Tapatalk
carry Posted March 13, 2014 at 07:16 PM Posted March 13, 2014 at 07:16 PM Too idiotic to even reply to him. Agree. Can he cite any statutes to support his claim? No? Probably what he meant to say is he's not authorized to teach those other states, so please take the one I am authorized to teach (prob not NRA BP).
Craigcelia Posted March 13, 2014 at 07:26 PM Posted March 13, 2014 at 07:26 PM Personally, I can't deal with instructors that are so mis-informed, then they tell it to their students like its the holy grail. It's not the students fault really, it's the dummy telling them this is the way it is.
Pappy Posted March 13, 2014 at 07:39 PM Posted March 13, 2014 at 07:39 PM Just an FYI, but for those instructors that are teaching the Florida CCW class, I was on the USA Carry Site today and I'm not sure when the law changed but it seems that a lot of the Midwestern to southern states i.e. Indiana, Kentucky, Tennessee, Georgia, Alabama to name a few are only recognizing Florida resident CCW permits only, not non-residence.
daviscovertcarry Posted March 14, 2014 at 02:03 AM Posted March 14, 2014 at 02:03 AM I advertise an Illinois, Florida, and Arizona concealed carry class. Basic pistol 1st day, IL specific second and hand out the free FL and AZ packets. Sent from my Galaxy S4 using Tapatalk+1
Indigo Posted March 14, 2014 at 02:29 AM Posted March 14, 2014 at 02:29 AM Just an FYI, but for those instructors that are teaching the Florida CCW class, I was on the USA Carry Site today and I'm not sure when the law changed but it seems that a lot of the Midwestern to southern states i.e. Indiana, Kentucky, Tennessee, Georgia, Alabama to name a few are only recognizing Florida resident CCW permits only, not non-residence. Just went to that website, and entered Florida under "what states honor my permit?" then answered the resident/non-resident question "non-resident". Text below the map said these states honored the Florida non-resident permit: Alabama, Alaska, Arizona, Arkansas, Delaware, Florida, Georgia, Idaho, Indiana, Iowa, Kansas, Kentucky, Louisiana, Mississippi, Missouri, Montana, Nebraska, New Mexico, North Carolina, North Dakota, Ohio, Oklahoma, South Dakota, Tennessee, Texas, Utah, Vermont, Virginia, West Virginia, Wyoming. Doesn't look like a change from 2012.
abolt243 Posted March 14, 2014 at 02:33 AM Posted March 14, 2014 at 02:33 AM Just an FYI, but for those instructors that are teaching the Florida CCW class, I was on the USA Carry Site today and I'm not sure when the law changed but it seems that a lot of the Midwestern to southern states i.e. Indiana, Kentucky, Tennessee, Georgia, Alabama to name a few are only recognizing Florida resident CCW permits only, not non-residence. Might be, but I find that very hard to believe about IN and KY. Did the poster have any statutes to back that up? That would take changes in each of those state's laws. FL doesn't issue separate resident and non-resident licenses. It issues one license, to residents and non-residents alike.
soundguy Posted March 14, 2014 at 02:38 AM Posted March 14, 2014 at 02:38 AM Just an FYI, but for those instructors that are teaching the Florida CCW class, I was on the USA Carry Site today and I'm not sure when the law changed but it seems that a lot of the Midwestern to southern states i.e. Indiana, Kentucky, Tennessee, Georgia, Alabama to name a few are only recognizing Florida resident CCW permits only, not non-residence..My up to date copy of "CCW", an App for iPhone written by a member here, does not agree with what you found on USA Carry. I see no changes in the 3/2/14 update. This app seems to be really accurate. It would be really strange to have all those states change at the same time...
bobapunk Posted March 14, 2014 at 02:43 AM Posted March 14, 2014 at 02:43 AM If this should go in the backroom, mods please move it. I read a forum post on another forum from a new member claiming to be an instructor. One of his first posts is to post in IL how instructors teaching multiple state CC classes are crooks. Stated that the IL, FL & AZ classes must be separate from one another. I don't think anyone disputes UT must be separate, or at least partially separated, however I schooled him just a little bit about the FL AZ without giving away too many trade secrets which 99% of us here already know. The purpose of this post? In case any of your students ask how you can teach a multi state class. There are people out there saying we are breaking the law in doing so. There is a guy that I've butted heads with more than once on this... He undercuts everyone on IL CCL classes, then charges $50 for Florida... Sent from my Nexus 7 using Tapatalk
carry Posted March 14, 2014 at 03:36 AM Posted March 14, 2014 at 03:36 AM So he teaches a 16 hour Illinois class, not an 8 hour NRA and 8 hour Illinois class?
soundguy Posted March 14, 2014 at 03:51 AM Posted March 14, 2014 at 03:51 AM If this should go in the backroom, mods please move it. I read a forum post on another forum from a new member claiming to be an instructor. One of his first posts is to post in IL how instructors teaching multiple state CC classes are crooks. Stated that the IL, FL & AZ classes must be separate from one another. I don't think anyone disputes UT must be separate, or at least partially separated, however I schooled him just a little bit about the FL AZ without giving away too many trade secrets which 99% of us here already know. The purpose of this post? In case any of your students ask how you can teach a multi state class. There are people out there saying we are breaking the law in doing so. There is a guy that I've butted heads with more than once on this... He undercuts everyone on IL CCL classes, then charges $50 for Florida... Sent from my Nexus 7 using TapatalkAnd his students don't know that the IL class is good for Florida? Or am I wrong... From FL list of acceptable training: - any firearms training or safety course or class conducted by a state-certified instructor or by an instructor certified by the National Rifle Association.
bobapunk Posted March 14, 2014 at 04:20 PM Posted March 14, 2014 at 04:20 PM Right. His marketing scheme is to undercut everyone by $50, then charge $50 for something that everyone else gives out for free...
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