EngChi Posted January 9, 2016 at 05:35 PM Posted January 9, 2016 at 05:35 PM A question to the forum is in the topic title - with CLEO sign off likely to be removed , what (if anything) could be done to bring NFA items to IL. In particular I am interested in sound suppressors as health and public nuance issue... if (God forbid) I have to ever use a gun inside of the home, I would love the option to suppress it , as the idea of having to run around looking for hearing protection to put on wife, 4 year old, and new born at the same time, or near certainty of dealing with long term/permanent hearing damage is not a fun one.. What could be done other than moving to Indiana? Thank you
mic6010 Posted January 9, 2016 at 05:47 PM Posted January 9, 2016 at 05:47 PM Suppressors and autos are banned by name so the only way to get those is to pass a law to the contrary. Doubtful full autos will ever be available to us. But seems like every year they bring up a bill to allow us to own suppressors and it gets shot down.I agree that it just makes sense to allow us to use suppressors. Our hearing is more important than some fantasy the antis have that everyone is gonna be running around like ninja assassins after passing that bill. Just more non-reality based fear mongering legislating from your IL government. What else is new. If you can get out just do it. You're better off for many other non-gun related reasons as well.
KarlJ Posted January 9, 2016 at 05:52 PM Posted January 9, 2016 at 05:52 PM Well, we got SBR's in ILI'm certain getting suppressor's is realistic. We have the right people working on that and I think they can get it done. I wish legislators had to prove their reason for infringing on our constitutional right. The fact is that these NFA items are not used for criminal purposes.
wtr100 Posted January 9, 2016 at 06:45 PM Posted January 9, 2016 at 06:45 PM aside from court action nothing I fear
defaultdotxbe Posted January 9, 2016 at 07:30 PM Posted January 9, 2016 at 07:30 PM Well, we got SBR's in ILWe have watered-down SBRs, they can have <16in barrels, but still need to be >27in OALSent from my SM-G920P using Tapatalk
defaultdotxbe Posted January 9, 2016 at 09:06 PM Posted January 9, 2016 at 09:06 PM I would like to see the following, in order: 1) Remove FFL03 requirement for NFA (SBR) ownership (this is now redundant as of 180 days of filing 41F in the Federal Register, approximately July). 2) Allow trusts to hold NFA items 3) Suppressors 4) Machine guns 1.5) Remove 26in OAL requirement for SBRs Sent from my SM-G920P using Tapatalk
heckler40 Posted January 9, 2016 at 09:07 PM Posted January 9, 2016 at 09:07 PM I would like to see the following, in order: 1) Remove FFL03 requirement for NFA (SBR) ownership (this is now redundant as of 180 days of filing 41F in the Federal Register, approximately July).2) Allow trusts to hold NFA items3) Suppressors4) Machine guns
heckler40 Posted January 9, 2016 at 09:10 PM Posted January 9, 2016 at 09:10 PM Well, we got SBR's in ILWe have watered-down SBRs, they can have <16in barrels, but still need to be >27in OAL Sent from my SM-G920P using Tapatalk OAL requirement is 26" or greater. http://www.ilga.gov/legislation/ilcs/ilcs4.asp?ActID=1876&ChapterID=53&SeqStart=68200000&SeqEnd=71300000
heckler40 Posted January 9, 2016 at 09:13 PM Posted January 9, 2016 at 09:13 PM I would like to see the following, in order: 1) Remove FFL03 requirement for NFA (SBR) ownership (this is now redundant as of 180 days of filing 41F in the Federal Register, approximately July).2) Allow trusts to hold NFA items3) Suppressors4) Machine guns1.5) Remove 26in OAL requirement for SBRs Sent from my SM-G920P using Tapatalk +1 Forgot about that one. The only reason I personally would like to see it is I'm a HK PDW fan
mic6010 Posted January 9, 2016 at 09:22 PM Posted January 9, 2016 at 09:22 PM Yeah I was gonna say, aside from pointless sub guns that shoot pistol rounds pretty much any rifle SBR is greater than 26 inches.Practically speaking you're not losing much of anything really. A semi auto MP5 might as well just be a Glock 17 instead.
Molly B. Posted January 10, 2016 at 04:03 AM Posted January 10, 2016 at 04:03 AM I think we have a fair chance of getting suppressors in the next few years. So many states have already approved them, what 5 states left? Illinois does seem to like being the very, very last.
kwc Posted January 10, 2016 at 01:23 PM Posted January 10, 2016 at 01:23 PM During the Town Hall meeting, POTUS referred to suppressors as "dangerous weapons." My hearing protectors are dangerous, too, if I use them as a blunt object.
MrTriple Posted January 10, 2016 at 08:56 PM Posted January 10, 2016 at 08:56 PM I think we have a fair chance of getting suppressors in the next few years. So many states have already approved them, what 5 states left? Illinois does seem to like being the very, very last.The big sticking point is Madigan and Cullerton. Once they've retired or voted out (or in Madigan's case, die of old age) then we have a chance of getting something done. Let's not forget that Illinois is very-pro gun, it's just that we've been held hostage by people like Madigan and a long string of anti-gun governors forever, and now that we have a pro-gun governor, we just need a pro-gun speaker in the House and Senate. We already have the necessary support in the general assembly.
gearsmithy Posted January 12, 2016 at 09:27 PM Posted January 12, 2016 at 09:27 PM Has there been any progress on HB0433? Looks like we just added another cosponsor
vezpa Posted January 13, 2016 at 12:38 AM Posted January 13, 2016 at 12:38 AM I think we have a fair chance of getting suppressors in the next few years. So many states have already approved them, what 5 states left? Illinois does seem to like being the very, very last.The big sticking point is Madigan and Cullerton. Once they've retired or voted out (or in Madigan's case, die of old age) then we have a chance of getting something done. Let's not forget that Illinois is very-pro gun, it's just that we've been held hostage by people like Madigan and a long string of anti-gun governors forever, and now that we have a pro-gun governor, we just need a pro-gun speaker in the House and Senate. We already have the necessary support in the general assembly. Someone worse will replace them. It may be a hard, grueling search but someone worse will replace them. Maybe even little Lisa. .
wtr100 Posted January 13, 2016 at 01:20 AM Posted January 13, 2016 at 01:20 AM I think we have a fair chance of getting suppressors in the next few years. So many states have already approved them, what 5 states left? Illinois does seem to like being the very, very last. I hope you're right but think you're nuts unless there is some court case pending
kevinmcc Posted January 13, 2016 at 05:30 AM Posted January 13, 2016 at 05:30 AM Still need to get rid of Tax and Registration.
RacerDave6 Posted January 14, 2016 at 02:23 AM Posted January 14, 2016 at 02:23 AM Todd us usually up on all this NFA stuff. I haven't seen any posts from him.Anybody heard from him?Maybe he's busy heading off Bloomberg and the Moms....
RoadyRunner Posted January 15, 2016 at 11:44 PM Posted January 15, 2016 at 11:44 PM Todd us usually up on all this NFA stuff. I haven't seen any posts from him. Anybody heard from him? Maybe he's busy heading off Bloomberg and the Moms.... He's been out at SHOTshow. Posting to Facebook fairly regularly.
RacerDave6 Posted January 16, 2016 at 02:41 PM Posted January 16, 2016 at 02:41 PM Todd us usually up on all this NFA stuff. I haven't seen any posts from him.Anybody heard from him?Maybe he's busy heading off Bloomberg and the Moms....He's been out at SHOTshow. Posting to Facebook fairly regularly.SHOT doesn't start till next week.
junglebob Posted January 16, 2016 at 03:45 PM Posted January 16, 2016 at 03:45 PM Hecler40 said in post #7 that OAL requirement is >26 inches. I know SBR stands for short barrel rifle, what does OAL stand for?
AlphaKoncepts aka CGS Posted January 16, 2016 at 03:54 PM Posted January 16, 2016 at 03:54 PM I would absolutely love a Scorp Evo SBR or Kriss Vector SBR in 9mm with a sound suppressor and 3 round burst for home defense.
AlphaKoncepts aka CGS Posted January 16, 2016 at 03:56 PM Posted January 16, 2016 at 03:56 PM Hecler40 said in post #7 that OAL requirement is >26 inches. I know SBR stands for short barrel rifle, what does OAL stand for?Over All Length
headcase Posted January 16, 2016 at 03:59 PM Posted January 16, 2016 at 03:59 PM Hecler40 said in post #7 that OAL requirement is >26 inches. I know SBR stands for short barrel rifle, what does OAL stand for?OverAllLength Length of the firearm from the end of the barrel to the opposite end. Stock extended. SSDD
Nic Posted January 16, 2016 at 08:56 PM Posted January 16, 2016 at 08:56 PM Todd us usually up on all this NFA stuff. I haven't seen any posts from him.Anybody heard from him?Maybe he's busy heading off Bloomberg and the Moms....He's been out at SHOTshow. Posting to Facebook fairly regularly.SHOT doesn't start till next week.Pre-SHOT show festivities started yesterday. Today and tomorrow is multiple range days for various groups and manufacturers. Monday is the official Shot Show media range day and then the show starts on Tuesday. Most of the fun stuff is over by the time the show starts. It's the pre-show stuff that's super fun. When the show starts, it's all business. And parties but that's business too.
lifebreath Posted March 1, 2016 at 01:00 AM Posted March 1, 2016 at 01:00 AM Well, we got SBR's in ILWe have watered-down SBRs, they can have <16in barrels, but still need to be >27in OAL Sent from my SM-G920P using Tapatalk OAL requirement is 26" or greater. http://www.ilga.gov/legislation/ilcs/ilcs4.asp?ActID=1876&ChapterID=53&SeqStart=68200000&SeqEnd=71300000 I believe this is a misreading of the law and have had this discussion with a number of people. Clarification was giving originally to ATF regarding the two clauses of the paragraph. In that clarification was pointed out that clauses A and B of the paragraph were fully independent of one another and complete within themselves. As the statute reads, one can own a rifle with a barrel (or barrels) less than 16" if: A. the person has a C&R license, or B. the person is a member of a reenactment group, etc.; and the OAL > 26" Thus, the way it is worded applies the OAL provision only if one does not have a C&R, but is a member of a reenactment group. In most cases, it's a moot distinction, since the OAL of an AR type SBR is not likely to be shorter than 26" with stock fully extended. My 9" 300 BLK is 27.5 fully extended, excluding muzzle device. Regarding silencers, I think it will come in the next toward or two.
Dcompton Posted March 1, 2016 at 02:28 AM Posted March 1, 2016 at 02:28 AM Well we all think the same thing on the OR interpretation. However, the ATF sees it differently and is not approving stamps on anything less than 26" no matter what the case A or B is. Ask me and my Brugger and Thomet TP9 how we know.
MrTriple Posted March 1, 2016 at 06:55 PM Posted March 1, 2016 at 06:55 PM Well, we got SBR's in ILI'm certain getting suppressor's is realistic. We have the right people working on that and I think they can get it done.I wish legislators had to prove their reason for infringing on our constitutional right. The fact is that these NFA items are not used for criminal purposes.Didn't we essentially sneak the SBR law under Quinn's nose and got him to unknowingly sign it? If so, we should do the same for silencers.
skinnyb82 Posted March 2, 2016 at 06:37 PM Posted March 2, 2016 at 06:37 PM Yeah it was a giant ruse that took a couple years to yield the end result. Had to keep it hush hush until they couldn't do anything about it. I don't know how his readers missed it haha. Clear as day. Sent from my VS986 using Tapatalk
stm Posted March 2, 2016 at 06:50 PM Posted March 2, 2016 at 06:50 PM Yep! Somebody merely changed "and" to "or." It's amazing the difference one word can make.
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