I smell a rat: why my patience is over with Rauner

[chislinger]

And no I'm not gonna vote for him just because hes the lesser of two evils and has an R in front of his name.

Then you'll help turn Illinois into California within a few years.

 

Mike Madigan thanks you for your invaluable help!

[Ainge64]

The only thing that will truly benefit from JB being our governor is the donut shop closest to the Governor's Mansion. Illinois will continue to flounder in the current sea of debt and demise. Whomever takes the primary is the one we need to unite behind.

[chicagoresident]

Yeah well like I said I'm one issue voter. Lets see what he does about it. Maybe he can win me back by doing what hes supposed to do as a Republican and defend my rights.

And those goes for all the other turncoats in Congress who are seemingly willing to sell me out because its too scary to stand up for my rights.

He hasn't done anything yet and the governer's office with the stamp in Madigans hand is terrifying.

 

I too am a one issue voter so if I lose rights under his watch because of decisions he actually made (not the ones the Legislature overrules him on) he will lose my vote as well. But if his hands are tied by Madigan all the more reason not to vote for a Madigan proxy and assure we reelect Rauner.

 

Politicians suck, just some suck less then others.

[JTHunter]

With a bit of good luck, "Moby Dick" may yet have a coronary before the election. After all, we saw how stressful the campaign trail can be, especially when you are an older woman.

[lowhouse5]

 

Yeah well like I said I'm one issue voter. Lets see what he does about it. Maybe he can win me back by doing what hes supposed to do as a Republican and defend my rights.

And those goes for all the other turncoats in Congress who are seemingly willing to sell me out because its too scary to stand up for my rights.

He hasn't done anything yet and the governer's office with the stamp in Madigans hand is terrifying.

 

I too am a one issue voter so if I lose rights under his watch because of decisions he actually made (not the ones the Legislature overrules him on) he will lose my vote as well. But if his hands are tied by Madigan all the more reason not to vote for a Madigan proxy and assure we reelect Rauner.

 

Politicians suck, just some suck less then others.

 

That part right there.

[2A4Cook]

I smell a rat about this thread.

Agreed.

[BobPistol]

JB Cronyker has a lot of fans, as evidenced by this thread.

[BMartin542]

Anyone that is a JB fan and on this forum... I just can’t figure out that kind of weird. Love the communist but think he’ll spare your rights?

 

 

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[JNG3]

Gov. Rauner is in a tight spot politically. Assuming he signs the bump stock ban and vetos the rest of the bills he will have my vote. I strongly disagree with the bump stock ban, however I understand that it is a political dead end. I assume all of this will happen after the primary. I will vote for him in the primary on nothing more than blind faith. If he signs into law most or all of the bills, then he will loose my vote in the general. That simple. Remember he did signal he would veto the gun dealer licensing bill had it passed both the House and Senate last year, vetoed the tannerite bill, and signed the switchblade bill. Not too bad a record so far.

[Cerus]

Good ole IC....”vote for who we tell you to vote for or we’ll ostracize you relentlessly”

 

Doesn’t sound very right wing....quite the opposite in fact.

[chislinger]

Good ole IC....”vote for who we tell you to vote for or we’ll ostracize you relentlessly”

 

Doesn’t sound very right wing....quite the opposite in fact.

This is pretty much a single issue forum, in fact the entire purpose of it is to advocate for firearm rights especially here in Illinois.

 

Why anyone would bother posting here who isn't down with that cause is beyond my understanding.

[Cerus]

 

Good ole IC....”vote for who we tell you to vote for or we’ll ostracize you relentlessly”Doesn’t sound very right wing....quite the opposite in fact.

This is pretty much a single issue forum, in fact the entire purpose of it is to advocate for firearm rights especially here in Illinois.Why anyone would bother posting here who isn't down with that cause is beyond my understanding.

So if someone supports the 2nd but doesn’t support it the way you want it to be supported then they should just go away? Sounds like liberal speak to me. Just because this is a 2A website doesn’t mean every other right is unimportant or free to be disregarded.

 

The nasty, condecending posts are part of the reason nothing changes. I’ve seen the same attitude all over the place. Strong 2A supporters will just ignore that crap but anyone on the fence or on the other side is going to do an about face once they see how hypocritical many on the right actually are.

[crufflesmuth]

Good ole IC....”vote for who we tell you to vote for or we’ll ostracize you relentlessly”

 

Doesn’t sound very right wing....quite the opposite in fact.

 

Where did you hear that? We're discussing opinions. I don't care who you vote for.

[Molly B.]

All of this is political theater.

 

This might not be the most popular opinion here on this website, but I think that Madigan is trying to put Rauner in a trick bag. Veto the bill and run ads that say Rauner is in the pocket of the NRA and try to hurt him in the general with the "moms," or have him sit on the bill and wait and the Republicans that are 2nd supporters support Ives, who doesn't have the bankroll to compete with JB Pritzker. Either way, Madigan is in the driver's seat, like it or not. Don't fall in line with what Madigan wants.

 

If you had someone like JB in the govenor's mansion, would our position be improved or weakened?

 

Keen insight there, my friend.

[Molly B.]

Good ole IC....”vote for who we tell you to vote for or we’ll ostracize you relentlessly”

 

Doesn’t sound very right wing....quite the opposite in fact.

 

 

I'm not sure you understand the concept here. IC is a not-for-profit organization and we do not endorse candidates. Members are free to post and discuss their political opinions but IC will not tell anyone how to vote.

[markthesignguy]

My view on the veto timing is that Rauner waits as long as possible,

giving time to cool down the support stampede that the anti's riled up.

Stampedes burn out quick - people get tired.

 

Couple that with the fact that the bill only mustered 64 yes votes in the house and

that just doesn't translate into the 3/5 majority of 71 votes to over ride a veto.

 

Since the bill hit Rauner's Desk on March 1, 2018, (Harmon bragged about putting it

personally on Rauner's desk in a 3-1-2018 constituent blast email) Rauner has 60 days

to veto, that's until Sunday April 29, 2018 to do a veto of the dealer licensing bill.

(does March 1 count as a day? if not, then it's the end of Monday April 30, 2018)

 

That's FOUR days AFTER IGOLD.

 

THEN the House and Senate have 15 days to over ride.

 

The rest of the talk in this thread is the same old tired argument about casting votes that

will not materially affect the outcome of the election. IMHO "wasted" votes.

 

I'd also be willing to bet that those who would be swayed by madigan's "trick bag" on the

gun subject with Rauner would never have been voting for Rauner anyway.

 

Before I go condemning Rauner's signing of specific bills that so outraged some conservatives, I

would have to do a great deal of research about the consequences of the vetos of those bills and

the political circumstances surrounding that time frame.

 

Perhaps Rauner may have had to take a bite of an objectionable smelly sandwich just the way we

may have to bear up about bump stocks.

[Cerus]

Good ole IC....”vote for who we tell you to vote for or we’ll ostracize you relentlessly”

Doesn’t sound very right wing....quite the opposite in fact.

 

Where did you hear that? We're discussing opinions. I don't care who you vote for.

 

And I applaud you for that. However you’re not the only voice here. The comments by several members here aren’t the first time this opinion has come up.

 

 

 

Good ole IC....”vote for who we tell you to vote for or we’ll ostracize you relentlessly”

Doesn’t sound very right wing....quite the opposite in fact.

 

I'm not sure you understand the concept here. IC is a not-for-profit organization and we do not endorse candidates. Members are free to post and discuss their political opinions but IC will not tell anyone how to vote.

 

Although my statement was referring to the membership base of IC, I would argue that every member is a representative and their behavior is a direct reflection on the political opinions of the site as a whole. Whether that’s intended or not is irrelevant. People have a way of blaming the whole for the individuals actions. This site and others like it wouldn’t exist if that weren’t the case. Aren’t we all here because we always take the blame for the actions of criminals?

 

By choosing to allow certain behaviros/comments you are essentially endorsing it. Inaction can send the same message as action.

 

Let’s be real here. This election cycle isn’t going to change a darn thing regardless of who wins. 8 years of Obama showed us that nothing really ever changes. The sky didn’t fall then and it won’t now because neither side is willing to budge. We’re firm in our beliefs and so are they. But if we want to have any chance of turning the tide then certain people need to be a little more tactful. Doesn’t matter how right someone is if they’re an a%& about it. More flies with honey and all that....

 

Anyway - This is the only gun related site I really frequent because too many are just toxic as heck especially towards newbies. I donate here because I see all the good you guys do. Hate to see that image tarnished because some members berate others for their political choices.

[Upholder]

Although my statement was referring to the membership base of IC, I would argue that every member is a representative and their behavior is a direct reflection on the political opinions of the site as a whole.

 

I would think of members not as representatives of IC (very few here would qualify for that status in my mind, pretty much only mauser, Molly, with Todd as a strong additional voice) but everyone here contributes to the culture that makes up IC.

[chicagoresident]

 

Although my statement was referring to the membership base of IC, I would argue that every member is a representative and their behavior is a direct reflection on the political opinions of the site as a whole.

 

I would think of members not as representatives of IC (very few here would qualify for that status in my mind, pretty much only mauser, Molly, with Todd as a strong additional voice) but everyone here contributes to the culture that makes up IC.

The pro gun culture is diverse in many ways, which anyone lurking this forum will soon realize. If anything our differences of opinions should make the anti's worried. We're capable of free thought and refuse to step in line behind any one candidate.

 

Our free thought has led us all to an unbreakable ethos that the right to bear arms shall not be infringed. How we get there is where the difference of opinion lies, which you would expect out of free thought.

 

A pro gun rights supporter that leans left is the most dangerous thing to the Democratic and Republican party. The criminalization of gun rights makes the left leaning voter a single issue voter for a cause often championed on the right. And it represents a loss of a vote for that candidate on the right if they don't champion gun rights.

 

The Clinton's have reminded the left of this first in the 94 Republican revolution and second in the 2016 presidential election. 2018 hopefully will serve as another reminder, but it's hard to say with the amount of Rhino's that have been showing their true colors.

 

So we may accuse people of leaning left, people may accuse me of leaning left, but at the end of the day if we all share the ethos of Illinois Carry the fight for our right to bear arms will go on. The 2nd is the right that protects all our other rights, so debates beyond that are just idle chatter.

[BobPistol]

A lot of people don't realize that politics is like making sausage.

 

You have no idea how sausage is made. If you saw how it was made, you'd never eat sausage again and probably turn vegan/vegetarian.

 

There are deals made behind the scenes, There are things that are done that ordinary people are not aware of.

The key is being able to navigate the political swamp. A saint won't be able to do it. Neither would your typical criminal. But it takes a special type who can. Usually a sociopath can navigate this nicely.

 

We don't need a perfect person to get the job done. We need someone who can navigate the swamp.

[Prairie Pucker]

This^^^^^. Thanks, Bob.

[chicagoresident]

As the old Reagan saying goes

The person who agrees with you 80 percent of the time is a friend and an ally, not a 20 percent traitor.

[quackersmacker]

As the old Reagan saying goes

The person who agrees with you 80 percent of the time is a friend and an ally, not a 20 percent traitor.

 

That is one great quote!

[frogmorton11]

I too haven given up hope on Rauner. I already voted in the primary and I voted for Ives.

That being said, Bruce is going to win the primary andI will vote for him in the general.

The next governor is going to be on office when the legislative map is redrawn.

If that governor is J.B. it is going to be gerrymandered for the Democrats and that will be devistating.

Really though, unless something radical happens, J.B. will be the next Governor.

[Twostarrz]

I have given up hope on Illinois. I will be leaving this corrupt socialist state the moment it is possible. I will vote for Rauner. Not because I want him but because I don’t want anyone else. There is absolutely no possible way to get a true conservative into any influential role in Illinois. If we ever did get a true conservative into the governors seat then the radical left would block them for the entire term. Illinois is a lost cause.

[2A4Cook]

I have given up hope on Illinois. I will be leaving this corrupt socialist state the moment it is possible. I will vote for Rauner. Not because I want him but because I dont want anyone else. There is absolutely no possible way to get a true conservative into any influential role in Illinois. If we ever did get a true conservative into the governors seat then the radical left would block them for the entire term. Illinois is a lost cause.

Rauner is a moderate R, and they've done it to him. The radical left -- a fringe but growing radical minority -- is so vocal, so active and so overwhelming to those without courage or conviction that it has completely taken over the agenda of the D party. "Conform 100% to our agenda or suffer the consequences." Someone needs to start handing out bags of cajones at D events!

[mauserme]

I'm going to toss in a different perspective on this, not because I know anything more about the veto than anyone else, but because I look at Illinois politics from a lot of different angles. Don't take this as a guarantee of anything. It's just another way of looking at it that might help explain a few things.

Governor Rauner has said that he would like to talk about a number of things to protect our children and our families, and that those things should be done in a way that brings people together. He's signalling, I think, that SB1657 isn't the answer for him and he's offering the Legislature an opportunity to send him something different. Something that has input from everyone, not just from the anti-gun side of things.

Having offered that, he has to allow some time for it to develop if anyone is interested in working on it from that point of view.

If a new bill does come his way it negates any reason to sign SB1657 into law. He would have to veto it so the bipartisan effort can be considered.

If a new bill isn't offered he at least reached across the aisle looking for a solution everyone can stomach, as any Governor trying to govern the entire state should. And, having already explained that SB1657 isn't the right bill, he can veto it more easily because he, at least, tried to bring the sides together.

[ilphil]

I am basically a 2 issue voter and Gov. Rauner has let me and alot of others down already on that other issue.

While he has been a disappointment in some ways I still intend to vote for him because my pragmatic side says he is the only one that can beat Pritzker.

Pritzger as governor would be a bigger threat to us than Quinn ever was.

And the Dems sure won't be able to use Rauner's wealth against him during the campaign since Pritzger's wealth makes Rauner look middle-class.

 

Of course this is just my opinion...your mileage may vary.

[GeekDad]

As the old Reagan saying goes

The person who agrees with you 80 percent of the time is a friend and an ally, not a 20 percent traitor.

 

I like it!

[Evil Porkchop]

As the old Reagan saying goes

The person who agrees with you 80 percent of the time is a friend and an ally, not a 20 percent traitor.

 

True, but when it comes to the 2A, Reagan did us ZERO favors.