steveTA84 Posted July 6, 2019 at 05:58 AM Share Posted July 6, 2019 at 05:58 AM Not even 4 months into the ban and we already have this https://reason.com/2019/07/03/relying-on-the-same-illogic-that-trump-used-to-ban-bump-stocks-a-new-lawsuit-argues-that-customizable-rifles-are-illegal/?fbclid=IwAR3fPvZR2jwi_uCGq_cwA1OpLAt2T5i1XkhhI8GupPLiqD0Vpvppv3O687o A new lawsuit against the manufacturers of guns used in the 2017 Las Vegas mass shooting argues that AR-15-style rifles are illegal because they are compatible with bump stocks, which increase their rate of fire. The plaintiffs, parents of a woman who was murdered in the Las Vegas massacre, argue that bump stocks like the ones used in that attack convert semi-automatic rifles into illegal machine gunsa position that has been endorsed by the Trump administration. Therefore, they argue, AR-15s are themselves illegal, since the federal definition of machine guns includes firearms that "can be readily restored to shoot, automatically more than one shot, without manual reloading, by a single function of the trigger." Saw this coming a mile away Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flynn Posted July 6, 2019 at 06:25 AM Share Posted July 6, 2019 at 06:25 AM Lawsuits like this could actually end up being very beneficial to our cause in the end, thus I'm willing to take this ride as I believe it's going to backfire big time for the anti-gunners in the end. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRJ Posted July 6, 2019 at 08:53 AM Share Posted July 6, 2019 at 08:53 AM "single function of the trigger."Hmmm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigJim Posted July 6, 2019 at 01:09 PM Share Posted July 6, 2019 at 01:09 PM can be readily restored to shoot, automatically more than one shot, without manual reloading, by a single function of the trigger. My AR15 was never able to shoot more than one shot per trigger pull. So how can it be restored to do something it never could do? Sent from my SM-G955U using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bubbacs Posted July 6, 2019 at 01:11 PM Share Posted July 6, 2019 at 01:11 PM YepTrumps fault that a deranged mad man shot up a concert in VegasMove along people nothing to see hereThe NRA is responsibleTrump is responsible The bump stock sellers are responsible Lawsuits are in the air and would have been drawn up with or without the bump ban People died and someone has to pay. We love trump to the end we all want to sleep with the guy for two years before the HISTORIC winNow he doesn’t do exactly what this group wants and it’s him now bending us over, really.The fickle finger of fate will be the reward, trump loses and Biden or warren gets in, then you’ll be crying so hard your grandkids will have red eyes! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raw Power Posted July 6, 2019 at 01:41 PM Share Posted July 6, 2019 at 01:41 PM This lawsuit uses the "logic" that Trump laid out in his bump stock ban. I doubt that's an accident. Hopefully the courts overturn Trump's unconstitutional ban, but this is not a place we should feel good about being. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lockman Posted July 6, 2019 at 02:13 PM Share Posted July 6, 2019 at 02:13 PM This lawsuit uses the "logic" that Trump laid out in his bump stock ban. I doubt that's an accident. Hopefully the courts overturn Trump's unconstitutional ban, but this is not a place we should feel good about being. It will be determined faulty logic in the end. ^ this *** Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steveTA84 Posted July 6, 2019 at 02:33 PM Author Share Posted July 6, 2019 at 02:33 PM This lawsuit uses the "logic" that Trump laid out in his bump stock ban. I doubt that's an accident. Hopefully the courts overturn Trump's unconstitutional ban, but this is not a place we should feel good about being.It will be determined faulty logic in the end. ^ this ***At least FPC and GOA are fighting it still Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steveTA84 Posted July 6, 2019 at 02:37 PM Author Share Posted July 6, 2019 at 02:37 PM YepTrumps fault that a deranged mad man shot up a concert in VegasMove along people nothing to see hereThe NRA is responsibleTrump is responsible The bump stock sellers are responsibleLawsuits are in the air and would have been drawn up with or without the bump banPeople died and someone has to pay.We love trump to the end we all want to sleep with the guy for two years before the HISTORIC winNow he doesn’t do exactly what this group wants and it’s him now bending us over, really.The fickle finger of fate will be the reward, trump loses and Biden or warren gets in, then you’ll be crying so hard your grandkids will have red eyes! I’ll be voting for him again. He’s worlds better on guns than any Dem candidate running (which isn’t saying much) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TomKoz Posted July 6, 2019 at 04:42 PM Share Posted July 6, 2019 at 04:42 PM ^^^ THIS ^^^ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
papa Posted July 6, 2019 at 08:32 PM Share Posted July 6, 2019 at 08:32 PM YepTrumps fault that a deranged mad man shot up a concert in VegasMove along people nothing to see hereThe NRA is responsibleTrump is responsibleThe bump stock sellers are responsibleLawsuits are in the air and would have been drawn up with or without the bump banPeople died and someone has to pay.We love trump to the end we all want to sleep with the guy for two years before the HISTORIC winNow he doesn’t do exactly what this group wants and it’s him now bending us over, really.The fickle finger of fate will be the reward, trump loses and Biden or warren gets in, then you’ll be crying so hard your grandkids will have red eyes! I’ll be voting for him again. He’s worlds better on guns than any Dem candidate running (which isn’t saying much) Plus putting constitutional judges on the courts unlike any Democrat that might get elected. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raw Power Posted July 7, 2019 at 02:28 AM Share Posted July 7, 2019 at 02:28 AM YepTrumps fault that a deranged mad man shot up a concert in VegasMove along people nothing to see hereThe NRA is responsibleTrump is responsibleThe bump stock sellers are responsibleLawsuits are in the air and would have been drawn up with or without the bump banPeople died and someone has to pay.We love trump to the end we all want to sleep with the guy for two years before the HISTORIC winNow he doesn’t do exactly what this group wants and it’s him now bending us over, really.The fickle finger of fate will be the reward, trump loses and Biden or warren gets in, then you’ll be crying so hard your grandkids will have red eyes! I’ll be voting for him again. He’s worlds better on guns than any Dem candidate running (which isn’t saying much) Except that he isn't. He's a worse Anti than the vast majority of the Dem candidates. I've challenged anyone to show me any pro-2nd amendment actions he has personally taken, and so far that list is effectively blank. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steveTA84 Posted July 7, 2019 at 02:31 AM Author Share Posted July 7, 2019 at 02:31 AM ^^^ In reality, none (except tearing up the mostly symbolic UN arms treaty). BUT hes not campaigning/promising executive action on guns, a national gun owner licensing system, forced buy back of semi autos......... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chislinger Posted July 7, 2019 at 02:54 AM Share Posted July 7, 2019 at 02:54 AM He's a worse Anti than the vast majority of the Dem candidates. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raw Power Posted July 7, 2019 at 03:02 AM Share Posted July 7, 2019 at 03:02 AM ^^^ In reality, none (except tearing up the mostly symbolic UN arms treaty). BUT hes not campaigning/promising executive action on guns, a national gun owner licensing system, forced buy back of semi autos......... Right, instead, he's telling you he's going to take your guns away without due process, his assault weapons ban will not include buying anything back, just seizing them (like with the bumpstocks), and he'll agree with Dianne Feinstein on gun control anyways. He's not campaigning on it, but that's what he's doing. So he has no positive pro-2nd amendment actions under his belt, and all of his actions and views are Anti views (and worse than most gun-grabbering Dems). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TomKoz Posted July 7, 2019 at 03:36 AM Share Posted July 7, 2019 at 03:36 AM ^^^ and Trump will be your President for another 5-6 years !!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeffrey Posted July 7, 2019 at 12:41 PM Share Posted July 7, 2019 at 12:41 PM ^^^ In reality, none (except tearing up the mostly symbolic UN arms treaty). BUT hes not campaigning/promising executive action on guns, a national gun owner licensing system, forced buy back of semi autos......... Right, instead, he's telling you he's going to take your guns away without due process, his assault weapons ban will not include buying anything back, just seizing them (like with the bumpstocks), and he'll agree with Dianne Feinstein on gun control anyways. He's not campaigning on it, but that's what he's doing. So he has no positive pro-2nd amendment actions under his belt, and all of his actions and views are Anti views (and worse than most gun-grabbering Dems).ive read a number of your posts against trump. You have yet to give a more viable option. Please, help us understand who the better candidate is. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raw Power Posted July 7, 2019 at 01:28 PM Share Posted July 7, 2019 at 01:28 PM ^^^ and Trump will be your President for another 5-6 years !!! If so, the 2nd amendment will continue to suffer. That's something you're excited about? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raw Power Posted July 7, 2019 at 01:28 PM Share Posted July 7, 2019 at 01:28 PM ^^^In reality, none (except tearing up the mostly symbolic UN arms treaty).BUT hes not campaigning/promising executive action on guns, a national gun owner licensing system, forced buy back of semi autos......... Right, instead, he's telling you he's going to take your guns away without due process, his assault weapons ban will not include buying anything back, just seizing them (like with the bumpstocks), and he'll agree with Dianne Feinstein on gun control anyways. He's not campaigning on it, but that's what he's doing. So he has no positive pro-2nd amendment actions under his belt, and all of his actions and views are Anti views (and worse than most gun-grabbering Dems).ive read a number of your posts against trump. You have yet to give a more viable option. Please, help us understand who the better candidate is. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk I am asking for people to hold Trump accountable for his Anti views and actions. So far, no one is willing to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soundguy Posted July 7, 2019 at 01:39 PM Share Posted July 7, 2019 at 01:39 PM I am asking for people to hold Trump accountable for his Anti views and actions. So far, no one is willing to. If these things had been done by a [President Dem], there would be a buying frenzy on guns and ammo.Prices would have skyrocketed... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Talonap Posted July 7, 2019 at 01:44 PM Share Posted July 7, 2019 at 01:44 PM ^^^In reality, none (except tearing up the mostly symbolic UN arms treaty).BUT hes not campaigning/promising executive action on guns, a national gun owner licensing system, forced buy back of semi autos......... Right, instead, he's telling you he's going to take your guns away without due process, his assault weapons ban will not include buying anything back, just seizing them (like with the bumpstocks), and he'll agree with Dianne Feinstein on gun control anyways. He's not campaigning on it, but that's what he's doing. So he has no positive pro-2nd amendment actions under his belt, and all of his actions and views are Anti views (and worse than most gun-grabbering Dems).ive read a number of your posts against trump. You have yet to give a more viable option. Please, help us understand who the better candidate is. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk I am asking for people to hold Trump accountable for his Anti views and actions. So far, no one is willing to. And it seems, "...no one is willing...", to offer a better candidate either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raw Power Posted July 7, 2019 at 02:17 PM Share Posted July 7, 2019 at 02:17 PM ive read a number of your posts against trump. You have yet to give a more viable option. Please, help us understand who the better candidate is. I am asking for people to hold Trump accountable for his Anti views and actions. So far, no one is willing to. And it seems, "...no one is willing...", to offer a better candidate either. So instead of demanding the president stop being an Anti, you'll just accept it. There SHOULD be an outrage at all of Trump's actions against the 2nd amendment, but instead; crickets. This is exactly why the 2nd amendment is REALLY under threat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raw Power Posted July 7, 2019 at 02:17 PM Share Posted July 7, 2019 at 02:17 PM I am asking for people to hold Trump accountable for his Anti views and actions. So far, no one is willing to. If these things had been done by a [President Dem], there would be a buying frenzy on guns and ammo.Prices would have skyrocketed... This is true. We would be hearing about watering the tree of liberty on a daily basis if a Dem candidate did half of the things Trump has done against the 2nd amendment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steveTA84 Posted July 7, 2019 at 02:21 PM Author Share Posted July 7, 2019 at 02:21 PM ^^^ And this is where the problem lies. Too many people are unwilling to call him out on his anti-gun stuff. Too many apologists that think its a chess move or something. You can still support the guy in other areas, but in terms of 2A, he stinks (BUT is still better than any current Dem running in terms of guns) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raw Power Posted July 7, 2019 at 02:36 PM Share Posted July 7, 2019 at 02:36 PM ^^^ And this is where the problem lies. Too many people are unwilling to call him out on his anti-gun stuff. Too many apologists that think its a chess move or something. You can still support the guy in other areas, but in terms of 2A, he stinks (BUT is still better than any current Dem running in terms of guns) He's not better in terms of guns. Not by a long shot. Obama didn't ban anything. Trump did. No Dem candidate is talking about taking away guns without due process, Trump is. No Dem candidate that I've seen is talking about banning assault rifles and not giving compensation for them, Trump is. It's an embarrassment. Trump was supposed to get us our rights back, but that didn't happen. And we should have demanded it. We haven't. That's why we're getitng our rights taken away, because we're ok with it apparently, as long as it's done by someone with an ® in front of their name. This is how we got the 1968 GCA (with NRA support). This is how Reagan passed the FOPA in 1986. Those are two of the worst anti-2nd amendment laws in the last 80 years. With Republican help. THIS is when we need to be outraged. This is when we need to stand up for our rights, because otherwise, they're just going to be given away. Trump is worse by all metrics on guns than most of the Dem candidates, and the bigger problem is that people accept it and say they'll vote for him as is anyways. Unless he's going to do a serious 180 before the end of the primaries, he's going to give our rights away. He's going to trend even MORE anti, where a Dem candidate would trend less Anti. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TomKoz Posted July 7, 2019 at 02:57 PM Share Posted July 7, 2019 at 02:57 PM I’m not voting for Trump because of his 2A rhetoric, policies, or actions.I am voting for Trump because he pisses off the Democrats !! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raw Power Posted July 7, 2019 at 03:09 PM Share Posted July 7, 2019 at 03:09 PM I’m not voting for Trump because of his 2A rhetoric, policies, or actions.I am voting for Trump because he pisses off the Democrats !! Sounds like a pretty poor reason to give up your 2nd amendment rights. But your vote is your right. If trolling the dems is more important than your guns, have at it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigJim Posted July 7, 2019 at 03:12 PM Share Posted July 7, 2019 at 03:12 PM If a dem was in the white house the SCOTUS would be pushed so far to the left that this forum would be shut down for violating hate speech laws and gun rights organizations would be banned as terrorists organizations. The picture is much bigger than bump stocks. Sent from my SM-G955U using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steveTA84 Posted July 7, 2019 at 03:16 PM Author Share Posted July 7, 2019 at 03:16 PM If a dem was in the white house the SCOTUS would be pushed so far to the left that this forum would be shut down for violating hate speech laws and gun rights organizations would be banned as terrorists organizations. The picture is much bigger than bump stocks. Sent from my SM-G955U using TapatalkSpot on Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raw Power Posted July 7, 2019 at 04:13 PM Share Posted July 7, 2019 at 04:13 PM So we need Trump's judicial appointees to protect us from Trump's actions, and that's the solution for protecting the 2nd amendment? Got it. Sounds like a solid plan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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