2A4Cook Posted July 7, 2022 at 04:48 PM Share Posted July 7, 2022 at 04:48 PM Still no update on this? If it's false, how long does it take to release a denial, especially where there is the potential for UPS, Brownell's and others to lose business??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quiet Observer Posted July 7, 2022 at 08:09 PM Share Posted July 7, 2022 at 08:09 PM (edited) Who would give a denial? There is no proof that either UPS or Brownell's are aware of it. This seems to be a rumor spread throughout the gun community. Those are the only sites that I see if I do a search on the subject. I mentioned on page one of why I am skeptical about the letter displayed in a post above it. It is supposed to be an official business letter, but there is no addressee. An issue like this would be presented in a formal letter. A large company would receive an advance notice and a chance to change practice. There are offer points that I will not waste space repeating here. Edited July 7, 2022 at 08:13 PM by Quiet Observer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
357 Posted July 7, 2022 at 10:30 PM Share Posted July 7, 2022 at 10:30 PM (edited) On 7/7/2022 at 3:09 PM, Quiet Observer said: Who would give a denial? There is no proof that either UPS or Brownell's are aware of it. This seems to be a rumor spread throughout the gun community. Those are the only sites that I see if I do a search on the subject. I mentioned on page one of why I am skeptical about the letter displayed in a post above it. It is supposed to be an official business letter, but there is no addressee. An issue like this would be presented in a formal letter. A large company would receive an advance notice and a chance to change practice. There are offer points that I will not waste space repeating here. Not a rumor, where there's smoke there's fire. UPS has become woke and time to boycott it. https://www.ammoland.com/2022/07/ups-cancelling-gun-dealers-accounts-destroying-packages-in-transit/?fr=operanews#axzz7YOdlZaJd Edited July 7, 2022 at 10:33 PM by 357 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2A4Cook Posted July 7, 2022 at 11:05 PM Share Posted July 7, 2022 at 11:05 PM The Second Amendment Foundation started all this hubbub. They need to follow up, and if they got catfished, own up to it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flynn Posted July 8, 2022 at 12:55 AM Share Posted July 8, 2022 at 12:55 AM On 7/7/2022 at 11:48 AM, 2A4Cook said: Still no update on this? If it's false, how long does it take to release a denial, especially where there is the potential for UPS, Brownell's and others to lose business??? I'm going with Occam's Razor A casual glance at Brownells' site shows they recently dropped UPS as a shipping option January this year https://web.archive.org/web/20220113093807/https://www.brownells.com/helpcenter/shipping-methods/index.htm?id=16 Current https://www.brownells.com/helpcenter/shipping-methods/index.htm?id=16 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quiet Observer Posted July 8, 2022 at 01:20 AM Share Posted July 8, 2022 at 01:20 AM On 7/7/2022 at 7:55 PM, Flynn said: I'm going with Occam's Razor A casual glance at Brownells' site shows they recently dropped UPS as a shipping option January this year https://web.archive.org/web/20220113093807/https://www.brownells.com/helpcenter/shipping-methods/index.htm?id=16 Current https://www.brownells.com/helpcenter/shipping-methods/index.htm?id=16 SurePost is a feature of UPS. UPS SurePost Rates | UPS - United States Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flynn Posted July 8, 2022 at 01:58 AM Share Posted July 8, 2022 at 01:58 AM On 7/7/2022 at 8:20 PM, Quiet Observer said: SurePost is a feature of UPS. UPS SurePost Rates | UPS - United States Yeah, maybe an editing overlook? As it's pretty clear the rest of the UPS options were scrubbed from their site. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Euler Posted July 8, 2022 at 02:00 AM Author Share Posted July 8, 2022 at 02:00 AM Deja vu Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flynn Posted July 8, 2022 at 02:35 AM Share Posted July 8, 2022 at 02:35 AM On 7/7/2022 at 9:00 PM, Euler said: Deja vu Double vision 🤣 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Euler Posted July 9, 2022 at 04:04 AM Author Share Posted July 9, 2022 at 04:04 AM Second Amendment Foundation SAF said: Five Democratic Senators recently sent ominous letters to United Parcel Service and 27 other carriers, blaming them for escalating violent crime rates. "We are concerned that lax shipping security measures are contributing to the epidemic of gun violence in this country by allowing criminals to use stolen firearms to commit crimes," the letters each state. They were signed by Senators Edward Markey (D-Mass.), Richard Blumenthal (D-Conn.), Cory A. Booker (D-N.J.), Christopher S. Murphy (D-Conn.) and Dianne Feinstein (D-Calif.). ... The letters were sent May 19 to UPS, FedEx, the U.S. Postal Service and trucking and rail carriers located in the United States and Canada. ... Asked which dealers were being cancelled [by UPS], NSSF spokesman Mark Oliva said Wednesday, "I think it's everybody -- any dealer specializing in parts." The NSSF is currently trying to determine the scope of the mass cancellations. "It's a blanket ban," he said. "We're still looking into it." You can read the letters at the link (to Markey's web site) included in the article (and the quote above). They're substantially all the same. The questions that the letter asks are basically the kind any business should answer with "get a subpoena." The full list of carriers targeted is: ABF BNSF Canadian National Canadian Pacific Crete CRST CSX Daseke Estes FedEx JB Hunt Knight-Swift Landstar Norfolk Southern Old Dominion Prime R+L Saia Schneider Southeastern TFI Union Pacific UPS US Xpress USPS Werner XPO Yellow So far UPS appears to be the only one to have been spooked out of shipping firearms and parts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flynn Posted July 9, 2022 at 04:37 AM Share Posted July 9, 2022 at 04:37 AM IMO, this could get interesting, UPS operates as a common carrier, thus under law they should not be able to deny service (that is lawful) to anyone discriminatorily or with prejudice bias. The red states should ban together and refuse to allow UPS to operate in their states so long as they unlawfully use discriminatory practices like this, I would say the Feds should get involved as well, but yeah we know that isn't going anywhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2A4Cook Posted July 9, 2022 at 06:23 PM Share Posted July 9, 2022 at 06:23 PM It's true. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McCroskey Posted July 15, 2022 at 11:28 PM Share Posted July 15, 2022 at 11:28 PM UPS had no problem delivering my Stevens 77E to me last week... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rl_lp2 Posted August 14, 2022 at 08:13 PM Share Posted August 14, 2022 at 08:13 PM I had no problem getting some ammo and magazines delivered to my house recently via UPS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bubbacs Posted August 14, 2022 at 08:32 PM Share Posted August 14, 2022 at 08:32 PM Since July 1st (thread start date) I've gotten 4 UPS 1 FedEx and 1 USPS pkgs with both ammo and parts etc. (accessories) in each. Not a single one opened nor lost nor returned. I just don't see a huge corporation stealing ammo and parts from pkgs they accept to deliver. But that's just me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quiet Observer Posted August 15, 2022 at 02:26 AM Share Posted August 15, 2022 at 02:26 AM (edited) I often wonder about reports of the nature of the one in the OP. Often they seem to start in one progun site and then get repeated on many others. It seems like few sites ever bother to confirm the information. Of course, many gun types believe it because it comes from their favorite 2A site. We all know that everyone hates us because we have guns. Edited August 15, 2022 at 02:26 AM by Quiet Observer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Euler Posted September 3, 2022 at 06:04 PM Author Share Posted September 3, 2022 at 06:04 PM UPS has updated its Terms of Service. It now accepts firearms and firearm parts only from FFLs, including C&R, and only those who have contracts with UPS (see section 3.7, page 7). FWIW Brownell's is an FFL, but still had its contract terminated by UPS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thepointbeing Posted September 8, 2022 at 03:29 PM Share Posted September 8, 2022 at 03:29 PM Current firearm shipping protocols of major carriers ... https://www.ups.com/us/en/support/shipping-support/shipping-special-care-regulated-items/prohibited-items/firearms.page?loc=en_US https://www.fedex.com/en-us/shipping/how-to-ship-firearms.html https://pe.usps.com/text/pub52/pub52c4_009.htm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rl_lp2 Posted September 13, 2022 at 09:15 PM Share Posted September 13, 2022 at 09:15 PM On 9/8/2022 at 10:29 AM, thepointbeing said: Current firearm shipping protocols of major carriers ... https://www.ups.com/us/en/support/shipping-support/shipping-special-care-regulated-items/prohibited-items/firearms.page?loc=en_US https://www.fedex.com/en-us/shipping/how-to-ship-firearms.html https://pe.usps.com/text/pub52/pub52c4_009.htm Helpful, thanks for sharing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikew Posted September 13, 2022 at 10:17 PM Share Posted September 13, 2022 at 10:17 PM Once upon a time I shipped a firearm to an FFL in California, thru FedEx, for \California transfer to a relative.. Oh well, that was the good ol' days, I guess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thepointbeing Posted September 13, 2022 at 11:58 PM Share Posted September 13, 2022 at 11:58 PM On 9/13/2022 at 5:17 PM, mikew said: Once upon a time I shipped a firearm to an FFL in California, thru FedEx, for \California transfer to a relative.. Oh well, that was the good ol' days, I guess. I miss the "good ol' days too. Incidentally, adding insult to injury, UPS had neither the professionalism nor courtesy of providing customers any advance notification of their firearms shipping rule change. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobPistol Posted September 14, 2022 at 12:14 AM Share Posted September 14, 2022 at 12:14 AM So, will they un-terminate FFL accounts since those were compliant with the NEW policy (as well as the old)? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Euler Posted October 17, 2022 at 11:30 PM Author Share Posted October 17, 2022 at 11:30 PM On 9/8/2022 at 11:29 AM, thepointbeing said: Current firearm shipping protocols of major carriers ... ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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