Euler Posted November 7, 2020 at 04:47 AM Posted November 7, 2020 at 04:47 AM SAF and FPC are also named plaintiffs. The suit is filed in Federal District Court. Complaint ... As explained herein, law-abiding citizens have a fundamental right to bear arms - including, specifically, operable modern handguns - for the "core" purpose of self-protection. The only way that a private citizen can exercise this right in New York City is by obtaining a license from the New York City Police Department. To obtain this license, the person must (among other things) meet a highly restrictive "proper cause" standard that requires a showing of special or heightened need. This standard acts to ban all typical and average law-abiding citizens from obtaining licenses as they, by definition, are not able to show special or heightened need. However, all people, not just those with special or heightened needs, have a fundamental right to bear arms by carrying handguns, away from their homes and in public, for the purpose of self-defense. ...
chislinger Posted November 7, 2020 at 01:46 PM Posted November 7, 2020 at 01:46 PM Hopefully with ACB's confirmation these lawsuits finally get some traction.
illinois_buckeye Posted November 7, 2020 at 03:17 PM Posted November 7, 2020 at 03:17 PM If Trump gets a second term, it would be nice to get nationwide carry.
chislinger Posted November 7, 2020 at 03:40 PM Posted November 7, 2020 at 03:40 PM If Trump gets a second term, it would be nice to get nationwide carry.Only way that happens is through the courts. You think Pelosi would even allow a vote on it?
illinois_buckeye Posted November 7, 2020 at 04:13 PM Posted November 7, 2020 at 04:13 PM Watching news the last couple of days they are saying pelosi might be out as speaker. Some democrats are calling for someone more moderate.
chislinger Posted November 8, 2020 at 05:58 PM Posted November 8, 2020 at 05:58 PM Watching news the last couple of days they are saying pelosi might be out as speaker. Some democrats are calling for someone more moderate.If Pelosi goes she'll be replaced with someone more radical. There are no moderates left in the Democratic Party.
Flynn Posted November 8, 2020 at 06:45 PM Posted November 8, 2020 at 06:45 PM Watching news the last couple of days they are saying pelosi might be out as speaker. Some democrats are calling for someone more moderate.If Pelosi goes she'll be replaced with someone more radical. There are no moderates left in the Democratic Party. Probably be replace by some unhinged dolt like Schiff...
Rangerdeepv Posted November 9, 2020 at 03:11 AM Posted November 9, 2020 at 03:11 AM Watching news the last couple of days they are saying pelosi might be out as speaker. Some democrats are calling for someone more moderate.If Pelosi goes she'll be replaced with someone more radical. There are no moderates left in the Democratic Party. Probably be replace by some unhinged dolt like Schiff... There are plenty of Blue Dolts to replace Pelosi...........when will the GOP wake up and put on the gloves and get nasty like their opposing party?
JTHunter Posted November 9, 2020 at 08:12 PM Posted November 9, 2020 at 08:12 PM If Pelosi goes she'll be replaced with someone more radical. There are no moderates left in the Democratic Party. Probably be replace by some unhinged dolt like Schiff...First, I believe that Chislinger is correct. Any "moderate" democrat is acting like too many republicans and keep a low profile.As for Schiff being "unhinged", I disagree. His "lunacy" is intentional, just like "Putrid" Pelosi.
Ranger Posted November 10, 2020 at 07:14 PM Posted November 10, 2020 at 07:14 PM Just based upon the segment posted, that sounds like an excellent case to bring forward to the new SCOTUS.
mab22 Posted November 11, 2020 at 02:11 PM Posted November 11, 2020 at 02:11 PM SAF and FPC are also named plaintiffs. The suit is filed in Federal District Court. Complaint... As explained herein, law-abiding citizens have a fundamental right to bear arms - including, specifically, operable modern handguns - for the "core" purpose of self-protection. The only way that a private citizen can exercise this right in New York City is by obtaining a license from the New York City Police Department. To obtain this license, the person must (among other things) meet a highly restrictive "proper cause" standard that requires a showing of special or heightened need. This standard acts to ban all typical and average law-abiding citizens from obtaining licenses as they, by definition, are not able to show special or heightened need. However, all people, not just those with special or heightened needs, have a fundamental right to bear arms by carrying handguns, away from their homes and in public, for the purpose of self-defense. ... Sadly, I don’t think most people can show special or heightened need unless something has already happened to you, or you actually have proof of someone threatening you. IMO it’s almost like having “classes” of citizens, those who made a good case to the police, those who have been victims but it wasn’t enough of a problem to warrant “permission”, and those that nothing has happened to yet. No equal protection IMO.I hope they prevail.
stockboyy Posted November 11, 2020 at 03:57 PM Posted November 11, 2020 at 03:57 PM classes” of citizens are NOT stated in the 2nd amendment !!
press1280 Posted November 15, 2020 at 11:10 PM Posted November 15, 2020 at 11:10 PM This is the 3rd wave of public carry cases (SAF has also filed in MD & NYC). Remember these were filed in every circuit court right after Heller/McDonald and again after Kavanaugh replaced Kennedy on SCOTUS.Obviously now with ACB replacing RBG, the time could be no better than now. The 2nd wave of cases took roughly a year from initial filing to reaching SCOTUS so I'd say a good chance of being heard and decided by June 2022.
mab22 Posted November 17, 2020 at 04:17 PM Posted November 17, 2020 at 04:17 PM Considering that people were suggesting to threaten Trump supports, voters, and members of his administration, and they went so far as to "compile a list", that should meet requirements, no?"To obtain this license, the person must (among other things) meet a highly restrictive "proper cause" standard that requires a showing of special or heightened need." Use those threats as proof you need a permit/license if your last name shows up on one of those lists in the states that have this requirement.
JTHunter Posted November 18, 2020 at 04:44 AM Posted November 18, 2020 at 04:44 AM Considering that people were suggesting to threaten Trump supports, voters, and members of his administration, and they went so far as to "compile a list", that should meet requirements, no?"To obtain this license, the person must (among other things) meet a highly restrictive "proper cause" standard that requires a showing of special or heightened need." Use those threats as proof you need a permit/license if your last name shows up on one of those lists in the states that have this requirement.Like Maryland.Here is some info from another forum. SAF, et al., Sues MD over Concealed Carry ProcessOn November 13, 2020, a group of plaintiffs, listed below, sued the Maryland Attorney General and Secretary of State Police for injunctive relief over the requirement for concealed carry "that they have a “good and substantial reason” to do so."The full filing is Case 1:20-cv-03304-DKC Document 1 Filed 11/13/20, found on the saf.org web site (https://www.saf.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/11/1-Complaint.pdf) The filing identifies "Plaintiffs ERIC CALL, CHRISTOPHER MEHL, KYLE HARRISON, FIREARMS POLICY COALITION, INC. (“FPC”), SECOND AMENDMENT FOUNDATION (“SAF”), MARYLAND SHALL ISSUE, INC. (“MSI”), and CITIZENS COMMITTEE FOR THE RIGHT TO KEEP AND BEAR ARMS (“CCRKBA”) (collectively, “Plaintiffs”)"
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