kwc Posted March 14, 2016 at 07:50 PM Posted March 14, 2016 at 07:50 PM I obtained from the Illinois State Police via Freedom of Information Act the current Firearm Concealed Carry Licenses (FCCLs) and Firearm Owner Identification (FOID) card totals as of the end of day on 29 Feb 2016. At present, there are 151,241 active FCCLs and 1,987,882 active FOID cards. The first table below captures the current cumulative totals of Illinois Concealed Carry Licenses (CCLs) issued to nonresidents and residents since the program began. Note that these totals represent the total number ISSUED, and are not adjusted for those that have since been revoked or cancelled. This table also includes totals for CCLs that have been denied, revoked, or currently awaiting action from the Concealed Carry Licensing Review Board (CCLRB). The second table provides a trend analysis based on prior FOIA requests on CCL totals. I didn't start requesting resident totals until Dec 2014 and missed obtaining the end-of-Jan 2016 data, hence the gaps in the data set. For comparison's sake, data from the last request (which covered through end-of-day Dec 31, 2015) are available here. Some brief observations: * 8,560 resident and 1 nonresident CCLs were issued in the last two months. Nonresident CCLs now total 21. * The backlog of CCLs pending CCLRB review has dropped slightly. I think this is the first time the backlog has actually dropped (i.e. more being cleared than new ones coming in). There were 1,724 pending review on 31 Dec 2015 and now there are 1,698. * 43 licenses have been revoked since the Dec 31 report. [Note that ISP classifies revocations differently than cancellations, with the former driven by such things as legal problems and mental illnesses and the latter a result of moves out of state, deaths, voluntary submissions, etc.] * 8,373 resident applications were filed in the last two months, for an average of 139 per day.
Bo69 Posted March 14, 2016 at 08:41 PM Posted March 14, 2016 at 08:41 PM it would be much higher if it didn't cost $150 for permit $200 plus for class.
Cerus Posted March 14, 2016 at 08:48 PM Posted March 14, 2016 at 08:48 PM So they've raked in over $44m (counting each FOID at $11 for new online applicants) and can't hire more people to speed up the process?
MagSlap Posted March 14, 2016 at 08:54 PM Posted March 14, 2016 at 08:54 PM So they've raked in over $44m (counting each FOID at $11 for new online applicants) and can't hire more people to speed up the process? Nope...44m isnt nearly enough to cover the 90% retirement packages that will cover the rotating review board members for working there for a just a few years. Heck...the 44m is obviously not even enough to keep one printer working and stocked with ink!
Cerus Posted March 14, 2016 at 09:01 PM Posted March 14, 2016 at 09:01 PM So they've raked in over $44m (counting each FOID at $11 for new online applicants) and can't hire more people to speed up the process? Nope...44m isnt nearly enough to cover the 90% retirement packages that will cover the rotating review board members for working there for a just a few years.$But it is hard work sending out hundreds of 30 day letters$
ChicagoRonin70 Posted March 14, 2016 at 09:57 PM Posted March 14, 2016 at 09:57 PM I obtained from the Illinois State Police via Freedom of Information Act the current Firearm Concealed Carry Licenses (FCCLs) and Firearm Owner Identification (FOID) card totals as of the end of day on 29 Feb 2016. At present, there are 151,241 active FCCLs and 1,987,882 active FOID cards. The first table below captures the current cumulative totals of Illinois Concealed Carry Licenses (CCLs) issued to nonresidents and residents since the program began. Note that these totals represent the total number ISSUED, and are not adjusted for those that have since been revoked or cancelled. This table also includes totals for CCLs that have been denied, revoked, or currently awaiting action from the Concealed Carry Licensing Review Board (CCLRB). The second table provides a trend analysis based on prior FOIA requests on CCL totals. I didn't start requesting resident totals until Dec 2014 and missed obtaining the end-of-Jan 2016 data, hence the gaps in the data set. For comparison's sake, data from the last request (which covered through end-of-day Dec 31, 2015) are available here. Some brief observations: * 8,560 resident and 1 nonresident CCLs were issued in the last two months. Nonresident CCLs now total 21. * The backlog of CCLs pending CCLRB review has dropped slightly. I think this is the first time the backlog has actually dropped (i.e. more being cleared than new ones coming in). There were 1,724 pending review on 31 Dec 2015 and now there are 1,698. * 43 licenses have been revoked since the Dec 31 report. [Note that ISP classifies revocations differently than cancellations, with the former driven by such things as legal problems and mental illnesses and the latter a result of moves out of state, deaths, voluntary submissions, etc.] * 8,373 resident applications were filed in the last two months, for an average of 139 per day. 29Feb2016-CCL.png CCLTrend-29Feb2016.png Actually, if there are currently 151, 241. and the end of year total for 2015 was 143,348, then that makes 7,893 new resident licenses issued in January and February total. That's around 3,947 per month of new licensees. Puts us on the path for about 190,700 total licensees by the end of this year if things keep right around that rate. However, I'm predicting about 184,000, based on the reality that there has been, and will continue to be a gradually diminishing number of licensees applying.
Jeff Johnson Posted March 14, 2016 at 09:59 PM Posted March 14, 2016 at 09:59 PM $37,571 is the annual compensation for the CCLRB members if anybody was wondering.
OrlandInstructor Posted March 15, 2016 at 02:32 AM Posted March 15, 2016 at 02:32 AM Thanks for the update.
kwc Posted March 15, 2016 at 11:27 AM Author Posted March 15, 2016 at 11:27 AM Actually, if there are currently 151, 241. and the end of year total for 2015 was 143,348, then that makes 7,893 new resident licenses issued in January and February total. That's around 3,947 per month of new licensees. Puts us on the path for about 190,700 total licensees by the end of this year if things keep right around that rate. However, I'm predicting about 184,000, based on the reality that there has been, and will continue to be a gradually diminishing number of licensees applying. The number of licenses issued over the last two months remains at 8,560, but the net increase in the number of current license holders is as you calculated.
Yas Posted March 15, 2016 at 01:54 PM Posted March 15, 2016 at 01:54 PM Is part of the 391 revoked after issuing, some of the students that had the instructor that has his credentials pulled after he was found at fault with shorting his training actual classroom hours?
vito Posted March 17, 2016 at 02:30 PM Posted March 17, 2016 at 02:30 PM So about 1 in 10 Illinois citizens have FOID cards, and less than 1 in 10 with FOID cards have CCL. I think that until we see at least a fivefold increase in CCL holders we will not see any appreciable impact of deterrence on crime in the state. Its funny that in some foreign countries they have this image of us in the US as being a heavily gun toting population, with guns on our hips and the average citizen ready to shoot someone, when the reality is that those of us that carry a firearm represent a tiny minority of the population. Its almost easy to understand that a right that is so rarely exercised is seen by some as a not very important right.
Bubbacs Posted March 17, 2016 at 05:11 PM Posted March 17, 2016 at 05:11 PM Does anyone have the link to the "By County"numbers?I remember seeing it here a bit back and would like to get the update.I like to utilize this number, depending on which county I'm in, to toss out there when talking to a posted establishment.Something as small as a mom-n-pop hardware store doesn't get worked up about 154,000,00 licenses in the state.But I've had few raise an eyebrow to telling them that within the direct area (county) they might be losing 7,899 customers.Makes more sense to break down the market some of these non-corporate business operate in! JMHO
ChicagoRonin70 Posted March 18, 2016 at 02:54 AM Posted March 18, 2016 at 02:54 AM Does anyone have the link to the "By County"numbers?I remember seeing it here a bit back and would like to get the update.I like to utilize this number, depending on which county I'm in, to toss out there when talking to a posted establishment.Something as small as a mom-n-pop hardware store doesn't get worked up about 154,000,00 licenses in the state.But I've had few raise an eyebrow to telling them that within the direct area (county) they might be losing 7,899 customers.Makes more sense to break down the market some of these non-corporate business operate in! JMHO Here you go, Guv'na! I have it bookmarked now! http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/ct-met-0309-cook-county-concealed-carry-htmlstory.html
Hap Posted March 18, 2016 at 03:42 AM Posted March 18, 2016 at 03:42 AM Pinned under "Illinois Politics": http://illinoiscarry.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=52540 for the thread. Most recent data are from YE2015 (post #57).
Bubbacs Posted March 18, 2016 at 04:54 PM Posted March 18, 2016 at 04:54 PM @ChicagoRonin70 & @ Hap Much ThanksI took the time to bookmark also ::::::::::Tips Hat::::::::::
Hipshot Percussion Posted March 18, 2016 at 10:44 PM Posted March 18, 2016 at 10:44 PM I would be curious to know the percentage of applications objected to - by County. And the percentage of "objected to" that were eventually overturned and licensed - by County. My hunch is Crook is waaay ahead of the curve.
ChicagoRonin70 Posted March 19, 2016 at 05:05 AM Posted March 19, 2016 at 05:05 AM I would be curious to know the percentage of applications objected to - by County. And the percentage of "objected to" that were eventually overturned and licensed - by County. My hunch is Crook is waaay ahead of the curve. You know I have previously mentioned that I have a connection to several academic research groups that are following the Illinois concealed carry progress in various multi-year studies, right? I asked them about this, and they wouldn't give me concrete numbers, but would say that the percentage of overturned rejections from Cook County is more than 90 percent.
Hipshot Percussion Posted March 20, 2016 at 01:16 AM Posted March 20, 2016 at 01:16 AM I would be curious to know the percentage of applications objected to - by County. And the percentage of "objected to" that were eventually overturned and licensed - by County. My hunch is Crook is waaay ahead of the curve. You know I have previously mentioned that I have a connection to several academic research groups that are following the Illinois concealed carry progress in various multi-year studies, right? I asked them about this, and they wouldn't give me concrete numbers, but would say that the percentage of overturned rejections from Cook County is more than 90 percent. I absolutely dont' doubt that. Just one more way to clog the review board and keep people from getting their CCL.
Xwing Posted March 21, 2016 at 06:27 PM Posted March 21, 2016 at 06:27 PM So, a little over 1% of Illinois residents have a CCW license. I thought it'd be higher, but Illinois does go out of they way to make it cumbersome and expensive.
Hipshot Percussion Posted March 21, 2016 at 09:57 PM Posted March 21, 2016 at 09:57 PM So, a little over 1% of Illinois residents have a CCW license. I thought it'd be higher, but Illinois does go out of they way to make it cumbersome and expensive.In my thinking, the biggest factor is no carry on public transportation. Why spend the money, go through the training, if you can't carry to and from work, or to the grocery store or well, anywhere you want to go in the City.
kwc Posted April 8, 2016 at 01:31 AM Author Posted April 8, 2016 at 01:31 AM Regarding the April 1 totals: ISP requested until April 29 to provide the requested data, since they have their support contractor working on a "big project" in response to a lawsuit. I'll need to wait until then for our next update.In other news, the State's brief to the 7th Circuit Court in Culp v. Madigan is due on April 29.
RoadyRunner Posted April 8, 2016 at 01:38 AM Posted April 8, 2016 at 01:38 AM Regarding the April 1 totals: ISP requested until April 29 to provide the requested data, since they have their support contractor working on a "big project" in response to a lawsuit. I'll need to wait until then for our next update. In other news, the State's brief to the 7th Circuit Court in Culp v. Madigan is due on April 29. Coincidence? I think not...
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