Fraction of 1% of FOID card holders register banned guns in first week

[Maxon Shooters]

ISP clarified today (or re- re- re-clarified) that FFL's may manufacture or purchase PICA firearms for sale to exempt buyers including out of state. 

 

[Jeffrey]

I wish I could get special treatment to utilize my rights the same way those anointed can.  

[yurimodin]

On 1/9/2024 at 1:34 PM, Jeffrey said:

I wish I could get special treatment to utilize my rights the same way those anointed can.  

You have to pledge fealty and serve on his lordship's court.

[Jeffrey]

On 1/9/2024 at 1:36 PM, yurimodin said:

You have to pledge fealty and serve on his lordship's court.

**** that ****

[Upholder]

 

[mab22]

On 1/10/2024 at 11:30 AM, Upholder said:

 

When the narrative looks bad, "just change the law, ignore the process, and go your own way.  **** on congress process and the constitution"!

Far left tyrant, Fat Robert Pritzker should face impeachment for violating the "L A W".

We really should bring suit for changing the law and allowing NEW registrations AFTER the data in the "L A W".

 

[Jeffrey]

On 1/10/2024 at 11:54 AM, mab22 said:

When the narrative looks bad, "just change the law, ignore the process, and go your own way.  **** on congress process and the constitution"!

Far left tyrant, Fat Robert Pritzker should face impeachment for violating the "L A W".

We really should bring suit for changing the law and allowing NEW registrations AFTER the data in the "L A W".

 

Either bring the suit or play the same game as them and follow what you want.  Yes I know the outcome might not be the best but the fact is, they're making these rules.

[skinnyb82]

On 1/10/2024 at 12:21 PM, Jeffrey said:

Either bring the suit or play the same game as them and follow what you want.  Yes I know the outcome might not be the best but the fact is, they're making these rules.

Well if anyone who registered wants to de-register, shouldn't they be able to? If you can add stuff whenever you want, you should be able to delete stuff 🤷 Not like it'll ever be deleted even if it's removed from whatever you can see on the PICA portal, just saying. 

[Yeti]

On 1/10/2024 at 11:30 AM, Upholder said:

 

It’s like the dog that finally caught the truck and doesn’t know what to do.  I have to wonder if the “leadership” of IL assumed this crappy law would get thrown out before effective date as it was mainly a virtue signal and is shocked it wasn’t.  Given how poor their effort has been to follow their own rules, one could assume that of competent leaders.  However, in the case of IL, competence should not be assumed.

[ddan]

So our side is spreading “disinformation?” He has the real numbers but won’t say.  

 

ISPFSB knows which FOIDs have been used for FTIP and which haven’t. Further, they know how many FTIPS are for “Rifle” and how many not

 

 https://www.maxonshooters.com/blog/just-how-low-is-compliance-with-the-awb-registry

 

Edited January 11, 2024 at 12:41 AM by ddan

[John J]

On 1/10/2024 at 11:54 AM, mab22 said:

When the narrative looks bad, "just change the law, ignore the process, and go your own way.  **** on congress process and the constitution"!

Far left tyrant, Fat Robert Pritzker should face impeachment for violating the "L A W".

We really should bring suit for changing the law and allowing NEW registrations AFTER the data in the "L A W".

 

Does the law mean anything anymore, they have made a mockery of the law. About 99% of the people ignored king's law, as they ignore our Constitutional rights. Clown world, they pick and choose which laws they will obey and who will be prosecuted for breaking the laws that advance his agenda.

[SiliconSorcerer]

https://newschannel20.com/amp/news/local/attorneys-social-media-post-creates-questions-about-assault-weapons-ban-registry-and-how-the-governor-might-use-it

 

Just a clip...

Thomas DeVore, an attorney with the Silver Lake Group, posted on Facebook that Governor Pritzker could issue an executive order declaring an emergency should there be another mass shooting. That post has been shared almost 450 times.

 

DeVore's post says "His executive order would be that all owners of the banned weapons who are on the registry would have to turn them over to the government." "He told us he heard this information from colleagues who "have the ability to understand what's going on within the inner circles of legislative leaders and the governor's office."

[countyline]

On 1/11/2024 at 7:31 AM, SiliconSorcerer said:

https://newschannel20.com/amp/news/local/attorneys-social-media-post-creates-questions-about-assault-weapons-ban-registry-and-how-the-governor-might-use-it

 

Just a clip...

Thomas DeVore, an attorney with the Silver Lake Group, posted on Facebook that Governor Pritzker could issue an executive order declaring an emergency should there be another mass shooting. That post has been shared almost 450 times.

 

DeVore's post says "His executive order would be that all owners of the banned weapons who are on the registry would have to turn them over to the government." "He told us he heard this information from colleagues who "have the ability to understand what's going on within the inner circles of legislative leaders and the governor's office."

Unfortunately (or not), the compliant ones that registered will hand them right over.

[skinnyb82]

On 1/11/2024 at 8:16 AM, countyline said:

Unfortunately (or not), the compliant ones that registered will hand them right over.

I don't think he's stupid enough to double down on this and use an unconstitutional EO (a de facto ex post facto law in this case) on top of an unconstitutional law to seize firearms. He can't just assume anyone who registered would just hand over weapons if asked. That's a dangerous assumption. He knows what he's doing here and having ISP SWAT teams killing people (and/or their 5 lb vicious dog for "lunging" at them) for simply owning an AR or AK and who complied with a law would be really really REALLY bad PR (and would result in astronomical legal settlements). I mean catastrophic. It would turn anyone other than the most extreme of the extreme gun grabbers against him. Also, good luck finding cops who wanna do that job.

[davel501]

On 1/11/2024 at 8:44 AM, skinnyb82 said:

I don't think he's stupid enough to double down on this and use an unconstitutional EO (a de facto ex post facto law in this case) on top of an unconstitutional law to seize firearms. He can't just assume anyone who registered would just hand over weapons if asked. That's a dangerous assumption. He knows what he's doing here and having ISP SWAT teams killing people (and/or their 5 lb vicious dog for "lunging" at them) for simply owning an AR or AK and who complied with a law would be really really REALLY bad PR (and would result in astronomical legal settlements). I mean catastrophic. It would turn anyone other than the most extreme of the extreme gun grabbers against him. Also, good luck finding cops who wanna do that job.

 

Why would the legal settlements be astronomical? This court seems to side with the government in giving it free will to take from citizens without recourse. Sovereign immunity for the state and qualified immunity for the cops. 

[Illinois Sucks]

On 1/11/2024 at 8:44 AM, skinnyb82 said:

I don't think he's stupid enough to double down on this and use an unconstitutional EO (a de facto ex post facto law in this case) on top of an unconstitutional law to seize firearms. He can't just assume anyone who registered would just hand over weapons if asked. That's a dangerous assumption. He knows what he's doing here and having ISP SWAT teams killing people (and/or their 5 lb vicious dog for "lunging" at them) for simply owning an AR or AK and who complied with a law would be really really REALLY bad PR (and would result in astronomical legal settlements). I mean catastrophic. It would turn anyone other than the most extreme of the extreme gun grabbers against him. Also, good luck finding cops who wanna do that job.

The problem is that the left controls the media.  Therefore, they control the narrative.  Nobody will bat an eye when they kill a "radical right wing militia member with an arsenal of weapons and ammo who had vicious attack dog" when in reality it is just a Republican who had an AR, 10/22, and a glock with 250 rounds of ammo who's labradoodle barked when they broke down the door.

[yurimodin]

Send bachelors, make examples...... interpret that however you will. Freedom isn't free.

[lilguy]

 

This below is part of a  statement released by the ISRA this week. Can

anyone independently verify it?

 

Illinois State Police Won't Pursue Charges for Unregistered Guns.  With under 2% of the FOID card holders registering firearms with the Illinois State Police (ISP), the ISP has announced it will not pursue charges for unregistered guns. The portal reportedly will remain open so people can still register them. For most gun owners in Illinois their act of civil disobedience is sending a message and likely won’t actually result in prosecution. Of course, we hope we will win in our suit at the U.S. Supreme Court! 

[Windchaser]

On 1/11/2024 at 8:44 AM, skinnyb82 said:

I don't think he's stupid enough to double down on this and use an unconstitutional EO (a de facto ex post facto law in this case) on top of an unconstitutional law to seize firearms. He can't just assume anyone who registered would just hand over weapons if asked. That's a dangerous assumption. He knows what he's doing here and having ISP SWAT teams killing people (and/or their 5 lb vicious dog for "lunging" at them) for simply owning an AR or AK and who complied with a law would be really really REALLY bad PR (and would result in astronomical legal settlements). I mean catastrophic. It would turn anyone other than the most extreme of the extreme gun grabbers against him. Also, good luck finding cops who wanna do that job.

He doesn’t need an executive order. They just jam another law through in the middle of the night like they did with PICA. There is nothing any republicans can do given the supermajority.

[davel501]

On 1/11/2024 at 11:33 AM, Windchaser said:

He doesn’t need an executive order. They just jam another law through in the middle of the night like they did with PICA. There is nothing any republicans can do given the supermajority.

 

If I was him, I would do the EO then push through the bill effective immediately since the EO is already in place. That would be some real leadership and bias to action.

 

Of course, the risk is later he gets humiliated by the courts but if he drags it out long enough maybe he can cash in before.

[mab22]

On 1/11/2024 at 11:07 AM, lilguy said:

 

 

 

Illinois State Police Won't Pursue Charges for Unregistered Guns.  With under 2% of the FOID card holders registering firearms with the Illinois State Police (ISP), the ISP has announced it will not pursue charges for unregistered guns. The portal reportedly will remain open so people can still register them. For most gun owners in Illinois their act of civil disobedience is sending a message and likely won’t actually result in prosecution. Of course, we hope we will win in our suit at the U.S. Supreme Court! 

Did the Fat Far left wing tyrant governor of the state state this?

Did the Far left wing states attorney state this?

Did the Far left wing head of the ISP state this?

 

Who made the statement?

And then there is this portion "and likely won’t actually result in prosecution. "

 

Now go ask an attorney what they would recommend you do?

[mab22]

On 1/11/2024 at 11:33 AM, Windchaser said:

He doesn’t need an executive order. They just jam another law through in the middle of the night like they did with PICA. There is nothing any republicans can do given the supermajority.

^^^ This guy truly gets it! ^^^

[mab22]

On 1/11/2024 at 11:57 AM, davel501 said:

 

If I was him, I would do the EO then push through the bill effective immediately since the EO is already in place. That would be some real leadership and bias to action.

 

Of course, the risk is later he gets humiliated by the courts but if he drags it out long enough maybe he can cash in before.

 

How does he get "Humiliated", what are the consequences?

[mauserme]

On 1/11/2024 at 11:07 AM, lilguy said:

 

This below is part of a  statement released by the ISRA this week. Can

anyone independently verify it?

 

Illinois State Police Won't Pursue Charges for Unregistered Guns.  With under 2% of the FOID card holders registering firearms with the Illinois State Police (ISP), the ISP has announced it will not pursue charges for unregistered guns. The portal reportedly will remain open so people can still register them. For most gun owners in Illinois their act of civil disobedience is sending a message and likely won’t actually result in prosecution. Of course, we hope we will win in our suit at the U.S. Supreme Court! 

 

 

https://www.effinghamradio.com/2024/01/04/isp-wont-pursue-charges-against-residents-who-didnt-register-guns-by-jan-1/

 

"Springfield, IL-(Effingham Radio)- The Illinois State Police won’t pursue charges against Illinois residents who didn’t register their weapons that fall under the new law by the January 1st deadline. 

 

The ISP says the FOID Portal will remain open and people can submit endorsement affidavits at any time.  ..."

 

 

 

[davel501]

On 1/11/2024 at 1:15 PM, mab22 said:

 

How does he get "Humiliated", what are the consequences?

 

You know, that's a really good question. Getting told you broke the law by a court you don't respect isn't much of a consequence at all.

[crufflesmuth]

On 1/11/2024 at 3:34 PM, mauserme said:

 

 

https://www.effinghamradio.com/2024/01/04/isp-wont-pursue-charges-against-residents-who-didnt-register-guns-by-jan-1/

 

"Springfield, IL-(Effingham Radio)- The Illinois State Police won’t pursue charges against Illinois residents who didn’t register their weapons that fall under the new law by the January 1st deadline. 

 

The ISP says the FOID Portal will remain open and people can submit endorsement affidavits at any time.  ..."

 

 

 

 

The general consensus is January 1st, 2024. If ISP is as accurate as I am.

Edited January 12, 2024 at 12:52 AM by crufflesmuth

[crufflesmuth]

HB5471 Enrolled - 95 - LRB102 24372 BMS 33606 b
1		on or after the effective date of this amendatory Act of the
2		102nd General Assembly, it is unlawful for any person within
3		this State to knowingly manufacture, deliver, sell, import, or
4		purchase or cause to be manufactured, delivered, sold,
5		imported, or purchased by another, an "assault weapon", assault
6		weapon attachment, .50 caliber rifle, or .50 caliber
7		cartridge.
8		(c) Except as otherwise provided in subsection (d),
9		beginning January 1, 2024, it is unlawful for any person
10		within this State to knowingly possess an "assault weapon",
11		"assault weapon" attachment, .50 caliber rifle, or .50 caliber
12		cartridge.
13		(d) This Section does not apply to a person's possession
14		of an "assault weapon", "assault weapon" attachment, .50 caliber
15		rifle, or .50 caliber cartridge device if the person lawfully
16		possessed that "assault weapon", "assault weapon" attachment, .50
17		caliber rifle, or .50 caliber cartridge prohibited by
18		subsection (c) of this Section, if the person has provided in
19		an endorsement affidavit, prior to January 1, 2024, under oath
20		or affirmation and in the form and manner prescribed by the
21		Illinois State Police, no later than October 1, 2023:
22		(1) the affiant's Firearm Owner's Identification Card
23		number;
24		(2) an affirmation that the affiant: (i) possessed an
25		"assault weapon", "assault weapon" attachment, .50 caliber
26		rifle, or .50 caliber cartridge before the effective date

HB5471 Enrolled - 96 - LRB102 24372 BMS 33606 b

 

 

[mab22]

On 1/11/2024 at 3:34 PM, mauserme said:

 

 

https://www.effinghamradio.com/2024/01/04/isp-wont-pursue-charges-against-residents-who-didnt-register-guns-by-jan-1/

 

"Springfield, IL-(Effingham Radio)- The Illinois State Police won’t pursue charges against Illinois residents who didn’t register their weapons that fall under the new law by the January 1st deadline. 

 

The ISP says the FOID Portal will remain open and people can submit endorsement affidavits at any time.  ..."

 

 

 

That’s not what it says in the website, website has scrolling red bar indicating that it must be done by January 1 2024. It says nothing about not pressing charge for late entries. 
 

 

 

 

[lilguy]

ISRA update:

 

 

Our article about the ISP not pursuing charges did not make it clear that the ISP only agreed not to pursue charges on those who register their commonly owned firearms, banned under PICA, after January 1st. For that, we apologize.

 

However, while the ISP are keeping the soon to be found unconstitutional list open & encouraging late registration, the law clearly states that registration must occur prior to January 1st. In addition, there are no rules governing how law enforcement requests for PICA data are handled. Any law enforcement agency or state's attorney who want these common firearms removed, might be able to acquire a list of who registered in their jurisdiction after the deadline. Late registrants are technically in violation of the law despite the promises from the ISP, and could possibly face legal action from those agencies. 

[EdDinIL]

From the "I am not a lawyer" files:  If someone does something to initiate a legal challenge over the registry being left open beyond the mandated date, would that challenge be considered as an acceptance that the law is valid, because the ISP or Governor are acting outside that particular law?